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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:28:27 AM EDT
[#1]
kel tec
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:29:27 AM EDT
[#2]
it would just be for plinking |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:30:20 AM EDT
[#3]
yeah, they are a fun plinking gun.. I wouldnt use it as self defense gun...
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:31:59 AM EDT
[#4]
Then save up and get a Storm. You'll be saving yourself a lot of trouble. |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:55:34 AM EDT
[#5]
can you use glock mags for the storm or just 92 mags?? |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:56:39 AM EDT
[#6]
Just 92 mags I believe. |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 7:07:05 AM EDT
[#7]
I really enjoy my Sub2000. It has never given me any problems and shoots a consistent minute of beercan. I am getting a few 30round glock mags for mine. check out kel-tec owners group at www.ktog.org
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Posted: 9/26/2004 7:07:59 AM EDT
[#8]
I have one, its an awesome carbine. I keep it in a toolbox in the trunk of my car.
 Everything a carbine should be, nothing it shouldn't |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 7:12:14 AM EDT
[#9]
I have one with the glock mags and it works great....An extremely fun plinker.  |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 8:16:49 AM EDT
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What trouble? I have never had a FTF or FTE with mine. It has fired over 500 rounds (rapid fire and slow fire, etc) without a single hiccup. Do you know of people who have trouble with the Sub2000 specifically or are your comments based on KelTec's pistols?  |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 9:22:39 AM EDT
[#11]
I think I might just get one, I love the idea of the cheap high cap Glock mags now, and the fact you can fold the gun in half and keep it pretty concealed.
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:18:20 PM EDT
[#12]
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:50:05 PM EDT
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Ok I'm confused.
How is this not a SBR? Barrel looks <16 inches. OAL folded is definitely <26 inches. WTF am I just stupid? |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:56:27 PM EDT
[#14]
True, but it cannot be fired in the folded position. Therefore, the fact that it is less than 26" OAL while folded is moot. |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:56:44 PM EDT
[#15]
when its folded it is breached at the chamber |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 6:57:22 PM EDT
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From the spec sheet : Length open 29.5" 749 mm Length closed 16" 406 mm Barrel length 16.1" 408 mm My only ? is how can it be 16" closed when the barrel is 16.1"?!? |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 7:12:34 PM EDT
[#17]
No problems with mine, VERY FUN gun. Minute of beer can for me too.
everyone who shoots it has much fun! |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 7:23:03 PM EDT
[#18]
The barrel is the longest part when its closed and its a bit more then 16". I measured it when looking for a toolbox. |
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Posted: 9/26/2004 11:13:19 PM EDT
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I rather like mine. No failures of any kind. The only problem I've had is when I tried some AWFUL POS aftermarket 30 round mags from Sportsmans Guide and screwed up my mag catch. Screwed up two of them the same way at the same time  . I called Kel-Tec and they told me to send them both and they would reimburse me for the shipping. I paid for the shipping (didnt ask for a reimbursement) and got my rifles back much sooner than I expected. They were completely fixed and have been 100% since then. I can't compare them to a Storm because I've never shot one, but I think they compare favorably to the Hi-Point carbine. I would reccomend a Kel-Tec without hesitation. My understanding is that the 9mm out of a 16" barrel is comparable tp a .357 mag out of a pistol. They arent as accurate as my AR, but definatly useable as a plinker inside of 150 yards or so.
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Posted: 9/27/2004 12:58:45 PM EDT
[#20]
Double Friends don't let friends buy Kel-Crap.
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Posted: 9/27/2004 1:11:23 PM EDT
[#21]
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Posted: 9/27/2004 1:17:16 PM EDT
[#22]
yeah but Id be buying in mostly for a truck gun, I like the idea of it folding it half. I wont be using it for combat situations or anything 
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Posted: 9/27/2004 1:18:13 PM EDT
[#23]
Got the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 in 40. I Like it a lot!! works great. shoots nice and accurate. has not failed.
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Posted: 9/27/2004 1:19:01 PM EDT
[#24]
I have a Sub2000 in 9mm. Kicks ass. Love it. Accurate. Folds in half. Hasn't failed me yet.
I don't play baseball with it like everyone else though, so wtf do I know? |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 2:45:56 PM EDT
[#25]
does the glock one work with 19 mags or only 17/18 mags?
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Posted: 9/27/2004 2:51:13 PM EDT
[#26]
I think it takes all 9mm glock mags |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 3:02:13 PM EDT
[#27]
Nope:
I can only speak to G17/19, however. |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 4:25:37 PM EDT
[#28]
oh ok cuz ive been stocking up on glock 19 magazines for when I get a glock 19. And since the keltec uses glock magazines im thinking about picking one up know as a fun plinker since 9mm is so cheap. |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 4:30:18 PM EDT
[#29]
tag
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Posted: 9/27/2004 4:31:43 PM EDT
[#30]
cdnn has some 30 round 9mm Glock Factory mags in
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Posted: 9/27/2004 5:11:13 PM EDT
[#31]
That'll work. I did the same thing thinking that I was going to get a G19 (ended up getting a CZ75B ). My Sub2K will eat any 9mm I throw at it too. This is a good thing since I bought a case of S&B that my CZ will not extract.  Good luck - let me know if you have anymore questions about it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 5:54:34 PM EDT
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This is another rifle that I'd like to get as it's a great deal for the money. I went to the gunshow this weekend and seen quite a few of them in the $250 range, their ability to fold into such a compact space is something that I really like. One step up from my .22lr backpack plinkers and cheap to shoot as well ammo wise and I already have the Glock mags. I wouldn't buy a Kel Tec pistol but have yet to hear anyone not liking the Carbine, that is someone that actually owns one!
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Posted: 9/27/2004 5:58:17 PM EDT
[#33]
My wife and I both have Kel-Tec pistols and have never had any problems with them. Maybe they were just comments they overheard from the "Gun Show Seals" or he "Gun Show Jerky Guys" and not based on actual experience?  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:01:33 PM EDT
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I have the .223 version, awesome little rifle that has yet to give me the slightest problems, even with Wolf ammo. If I were to be really nitpicky I'd have to say I don't like the dayglo orange front sight, but that's about it.
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:01:54 PM EDT
[#35]
Nice! This is my "trunk" gun that I keep in the cab of my F-150!  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:02:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Save your mony
Kel_Tec = JUNK |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:04:28 PM EDT
[#37]
I would defineltly not get the SU16 though
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:05:55 PM EDT
[#38]
is that a Global Trades gun?? |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:12:52 PM EDT
[#39]
 I have two of the older carbines - the Sub 9. Mine have machined aluminum receivers instead of the polymer ones. Mine are great. Very accurate. Very reliable. My pistols are just fine, too. I carry a P40 every day and it is reliable and accurate as well. KelTec stopped making the P40 because the average owner could not operate it. It has a high power to weight ratio. Long, fairly heavy trigger pull. Many people were limp wristing the pistol. There certainly were issues with the early pistols. KelTec customer service has been second to none. They would make the guns right if they had problems. |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:16:52 PM EDT
[#40]
what mags are you using |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:46:39 PM EDT
[#41]
Yes it is a Global Trades one! Good eye there!  BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:48:15 PM EDT
[#42]
I have 92fs mag Sub2k. No problems with it.
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:49:47 PM EDT
[#43]
There's a guy who shoots FDCC with one. I've never seen it jam, and he does not finish last. There are people shooting high-dollar ARs who finish behind him and his $200 kel-tec. Something to consider.
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Posted: 9/27/2004 6:55:15 PM EDT
[#44]
I have two, one is for sale. I love mine, takes glock full capacity mags in .40 S&W. I have 3 29rd mags and it runs great. It is a plinker for me, but I would not hesitate to use it in an emergency. It reside in my truck behind the seat, with 100 rounds or so...never a problem.
On a side note just got 30 glock mags from CDNN, leo only what a dream come true, really! Kentlik 
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Posted: 9/27/2004 7:00:33 PM EDT
[#45]
Repub18:
I am using cheap, USA mags. They work great. And thanks for the heads up on the NIW ar15 mags! |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 7:07:01 PM EDT
[#46]
no problem, if your looking for more AR mags get in touch with Bravo Company great guy to do business with |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 7:09:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Care to cite what problems YOU have had with the Sub2K? |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 7:21:57 PM EDT
[#48]
  My experiences have revealed that the only thing wrong with Sub-2000's is that they're very difficult to retrieve from friends and family members once they try it out. 
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Posted: 9/27/2004 7:41:23 PM EDT
[#49]
I have been pleased with the glock mag version that I have. Not the greatest engineering masterpiece ever devised, but still a great little gun that is cheap and fun to shoot.
I was wondering if anyone has ever put some sort of a pad on the metal stock tube.... I was thinking of something like what the ACE AR15 stocks have, but just cut on the bottom to allow for the charging handle to work. Is this an idea worth considering? |
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Posted: 9/27/2004 8:00:48 PM EDT
[#50]
Very good home defence gun for those not able to use a handgun, Now if only it was available in
45 ACP. |
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