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Quoted: I used to have a very long, detailed .txt file consisting of the hearings and testimony for the NFA (I'll try to find it).
Things weren't all that much different back then.. same gun-grabbing circus, different clowns.
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I think this is what you're looking for.
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Thanks, that's it.
I thought there were some allusions to mag capacity.
The first criticism that I have to make is on page 1, lines 8 to 10. The definition of the term "machine gun" I think is wholly inadequate and unsatisfactory. A gun which fires automatically or semiautomatically less than 12 shots is not under this definition a machine gun. And yet, in my opinion, it is in fact a machine gun and should be so classified.
The well known Thompson submachine gun which has figured in the papers extensively; the so-called "Browning" automatic rifle or the Monitor rifle, which is a somewhat similar weapon designed for police use, are both in fact capable of being operated automatically and semiautomatically. The number of shots which they may discharge is dependent solely on the size or the content of the magazine and if you use those guns with magazines holding only 11 shots they would not be, within the terms of this bill, a machine gun.
Mr. WOODRUFF. Will you yield for a question there?
Mr. FREDERICK. Certainly.
Mr. WOODRUFF. As a matter of fact, the only thing that controls or limits the number of shots that an automatic rifle or shotgun can fire is the magazine itself, is it not?
Mr. FREDERICK. I think that is correct.
Mr. WOODRUFF. That is the only way in which you can limit the number of shots that can be fired. And it is a very simple matter, is it not, to change the magazine or the clip or whatever they use to hold these cartridges, to meet any restrictions, particularly restrictions such as are proposed in the paragraph at the bottom of the first page of this bill?
Mr. FREDERICK. In general, that is true. I propose, however, to suggest a definition of machine gun which I think obviates your objection.
Mr. WOODRUFF. I will say that my position is exactly the same as the gentleman's in regard to this paragraph. I am in perfect harmony with you on this.
Mr. FREDERICK. And which I venture to suggest will lay before you a more concrete definition of what is a machine gun.
Mr. FREAR. Will you please give it? That is what we trying to get.
Mr. COOPER. Mr. Chairman, may I ask a question before the witness proceeds to do that?
The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Cooper.
Mr. COOPER. The guns to which you have referred, how many of those are now manufactured with the type of magazine mentioned by you, firing less than 12 shots?
Mr. FREDERICK. I cannot answer your question, I do not know. But I say that it would be a perfectly simple thing for smaller magazines to be prepared.