Why do people in large population centers tend to vote more leftist than those in more rural areas?

Regards,

Mild Bill

Even in NYC, I think that you'd be surprised by the number of right thinking people.

Most Cops and Firfighters are republican.
Most Property owners are republican.
Most business owners are republican.

On the other hand....

Most city employees are democrat.
Most welfare recipients are democrat.
Most public housing residents are democrat.

My feelings are that they gravitate toward unionism in employment and "democrates/left leaning is more pronounced in a unionized work force.  Just my belief!

Because they are sheeple afraid of exerting their power as individuals.

Because they are afraid, and want government to run their lives.

Because they are pussies, welfare recipients, crack addicts, whores, etc.

In a large city such as NYC, if the services provided by the city shut down for a month, the city would collapse.
The same is not true in the suburbs, or in rural areas.
But if the bridges and tunnels, sanitation services, fire department shut down in NYC for a month....

....the city would be riddled with plague, and be burning.


It creates a different point of view.

In general, they are more comfortable being completely dependent on others.  Just the idea of depending on city water, or an elevator, gives me the shivers.  They are at the mercy of so many forces, put up with so much time spent in traffic - for what? - a cozy little 34th floor 800 sq foot apartment with a view of another bunch of apartment buildings.

Keep it.

Sam

I often find myself torn between urban and rural life.  I love the urban setting .. mainly becuase I like all of the options it provides.. and I'm a bit of a tech whore and obviously urban settings are more geared to such things (rural areas are starting to catch up, thank god.)

Then there is rural life.  I have spend most of my days in the midwest (Iowa and Nebraska) living in towns with less than 2000 people or living in the country.

I have spent a lot of time in both settings and have many friends that come from every part of the political spectrum.  Thats probably why I tend to lean towards the left side of the republican party.

I think the biggest reason that people in the city tend to lean towards liberalism was mentioned by Samuel_Hoggson.  People in the city live to rely on others to support them.  A city is basically a web of support... one example is restaurants.. all that stuff.  Another big reason is that they are exposed to more government and are comfortable with government being a huge part of thier life...

maybe im wrong... who knows.

Like everything, there are plusses and minusses to city living AND rural living.

I used to live in NYC, I loved it and I hated it.

Best looking women on earth, period.
....but more nasty, ugly, leftist dykes, too.
Best food on earth, period.
...the smell of garbage and urine is not pleasant.
The Metropolitan Museum of Art has the BEST collection on earth.  A collection that anyone who appreciates Western Civilization should cherish.
...TOO MUCH shitty, gay, leftist, decadent, pointless art.
You can make more money in NYC, than outside of NYC.
...and as you step outside your $2 Million Loft, you'll see a passed out junkie.

I like the City, I like the country, I like the suburbs (depending on where).
Everyone should try each, before they condemn. Lest you sound ignorant.

Quoted:SNIP I think the biggest reason that people in the city tend to lean towards liberalism was mentioned by Samuel_Hoggson.  People in the city live to rely on others to support them.  A city is basically a web of support... one example is restaurants.. all that stuff.  Another big reason is that they are exposed to more government and are comfortable with government being a huge part of thier life... maybe im wrong... who knows.

I think the web comment is spot on.  As a former NYC inhabitant I was part of a web, a process that made my life work as I did for others.  That lends itself to the HIVE mindset which in turn is quite left oriented.

One reason cities might be more liberal is because there are large black populations in alot of them and blacks almost always vote democrat.

Because they're weird.....

Come on...they live IN THE CITY!

I lived in a VERY liberal part of Brooklyn.
Lots of Apartment windows had rainbow-gay flags, "no war", and Dean/Kucinich crap in them...
But MOST of the single family Brownstones flew the American flag.

Quoted: Because they're weird..... Come on...they live IN THE CITY!

Have fun banging your sister, you damn back woods country hick

just joking

Everyone should try each, before they condemn. Lest you sound ignorant.

I have lived in all of each.  I choose to condemn cities.

That OK with ya?

I live in a city (Not exactly by choice) and you'd be hard pressed to find someone more conservative than I.

Quoted: Everyone should try each, before they condemn. Lest you sound ignorant. I have lived in all of each.  I choose to condemn cities. That OK with ya?

Sure, that's fine.
(Are there cities in Ohio?)

Quoted: Quoted: Everyone should try each, before they condemn. Lest you sound ignorant. I have lived in all of each.  I choose to condemn cities. That OK with ya? Sure, that's fine. (Are there cities in Ohio?)

Three Cesspools: Cinicnnati, Columbus, and Cleveland.

Quoted: Sure, that's fine. (Are there cities in Ohio?)

Three of them, and all three vote democratic.  The rest of the state votes republican.

Tonight my 8 year old son and I took a walk.  I never left my own land, but we were out for almost an hour.  I brought the labs and continued the process of teaching him to read dogs in preparation for his first hunt.........something he looks forward to.  We saw a red fox, watched it outsmart the dogs.  

But really, we just had a good time.  I just don't think you can give this much to a child in a city, surrounded by millions of other souls.  Maybe the inadequacy is mine.  Many years ago - even before I met my future wife - I made a conscious decision to gravitate away from cities (where I was trained as a physician).  That decision has probably cost me well over a million dollars in income.  

But I feel sorry for all those folks living in concrete cubicles.  I keep seeing that county map that showed Bush counties and Gore counties following the last go-round.  Maybe that's just the way things are.  

In any event, my son will know how to dress a deer, change his own oil, hammer a nail, bush hog the fields...............and, oh yeah, he loads mags for the M-16s  just fine.

Sam

Good topic.

My father was in the Army.  I was born in Germany while he was deployed there in 1976.  We moved back stateside when I was three.  I've lived in Georgia once, Kansas once, Texas twice, and Virginia twice.  EVERY TIME it's been in the suburbs.

Even now, as a 28 year-old adult, and with the exception of half of my college years, I've never lived anywhere but the suburbs.  I studied Mechanical Engineering in college and, since graduation, the job market always took me to the 'burbs.



I now live in Florida in northern Palm Beach County, one of the three strongest Democratic strongholds in the entire state, the other two being Dade (Miami) and Broward (Ft. Lauderdale).  Having studied the demographics a bit, it's safe to say that without those three counties Florida would almost always go Republican.  I enjoy living here since it's so beautiful but I CRINGE every time I see a Kerry/Edwards sticker on the roads.

This suburban dweller would vote for the neighbor's dog before he'd vote for a left-wing politician.

W in '04.

I guess I live in the "city" (or at least 5 minutes from downtown Ft. Lauderdale).

At this point in my life you couldn't pay me enough to live in the country.  If I had kids you couldn't pay me enough to live in the city.

I don't think of myself as conservative or liberal; both sides tend to get angry with my point of view.

quote]If I could afford to live in the country, you better believe I'd be at least 100 miles from the nearest major population center.  This man is Guinness!

Quoted: One reason cities might be more liberal is because there are large black populations in alot of them and blacks almost always vote democrat.

BINGO!!!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Everyone should try each, before they condemn. Lest you sound ignorant. I have lived in all of each.  I choose to condemn cities. That OK with ya? Sure, that's fine. (Are there cities in Ohio?) Three Cesspools: Cinicnnati, Columbus, and Cleveland.

There are more than three unfortunately...

Cities condition their residents to be dependant on the local government starting with children in their liberal education system...

Because the city makes you soft, and socialist like.

City living is excellent. They have everything anyone could possibly want. Rural areas have nothing going for them other than poverty, bugs, incest and smarmy second home owners. Nope, the pro-city folk are right and I heartily recommend that everyone move to a city. And stay there! Please!

around here we call 'em citidiots....

f'n citidiots, 2 citys here control all of rural Oregon .

I prefer both.

I spent the 1st  20 yrs of my life in the city. It was great! Nothing could beat it. Then I moved out to the bush, and I am 400 miles away from the closest big city (probably small in U.S. size). You could never get me back.  City people have a different mentality (not that they are wrong and I am right but they are more concerned with trivial things that really are 'unimportant' in the REAL world.
I know, some of you are thinking "spoken like a true HICK" but  your ideaolgy changes AFTER you leave the Gerbil Cage and you get used to the freedom of the Big Yard. I am glad someone will live in the cities and make stuff for me to buy though.

Besides, I can shoot my AR right out my living room window! (if my wifes not home) ( I know , I'm whipped right?)

Quoted: I spent the 1st  20 yrs of my life in the city. It was great! Nothing could beat it. Then I moved out to the bush, and I am 400 miles away from the closest big city (probably small in U.S. size). You could never get me back.  City people have a different mentality (not that they are wrong and I am right but they are more concerned with trivial things that really are 'unimportant' in the REAL world. I know, some of you are thinking "spoken like a true HICK" but  your ideaolgy changes AFTER you leave the Gerbil Cage and you get used to the freedom of the Big Yard. I am glad someone will live in the cities and make stuff for me to buy though. Besides, I can shoot my AR right out my living room window! (if my wifes not home) ( I know , I'm whipped right?)

By the way, before the smart asses say it ... my wife is not my sister.

Quoted: Quoted: I prefer both. Nothing like decisiveness. LOL

..or two homes.
Why choose?
Buy both. ("should I buy this gun or that gun?")

Quoted: If I could afford to live in the country, you better believe I'd be at least 100 miles from the nearest major population center.

That is a huge problem right now.  All the rich a$$holes from the city are buying up HUGE chunks of land in the country and putting up massive houses which in turn drive the price of real estate through the roof.  For someone liek me who is 22 and just starting a career this is a sad thing to watch because I fully realize that when I am ready to purchase a nice piece of land.. I'll need a checking account the size of Hilliarys left thigh.

Quoted: Quoted: If I could afford to live in the country, you better believe I'd be at least 100 miles from the nearest major population center. That is a huge problem right now.  All the rich a$$holes from the city are buying up HUGE chunks of land in the country and putting up massive houses which in turn drive the price of real estate through the roof.  For someone liek me who is 22 and just starting a career this is a sad thing to watch because I fully realize that when I am ready to purchase a nice piece of land.. I'll need a checking account the size of Hilliarys left thigh.

Heres a thought to make you feel better, 30-40 years ago my town was pretty rural and considered a getaway for folks from NYC.  Now a half acre of alright land could probably sell for 100K minimum and the average household income is $140K

Most Cops and Firfighters are republican.
Most Property owners are republican.
Most business owners are republican.

On the other hand....

Most city employees are democrat.
Most welfare recipients are democrat.
Most public housing residents are democrat.


See the pattern?  The doers / producers are Republicans, the parasites are Democrats.

Quoted: Even in NYC, I think that you'd be surprised by the number of right thinking people. Most Cops and Firfighters are republican. Most Property owners are republican. Most business owners are republican. On the other hand.... Most city employees are democrat. Most welfare recipients are democrat. Most public housing residents are democrat.

+1

pecause the govt gives more "free" money to those choose not to work, and they mostly live in the city

I have lived in city, lived in the country, and am currently living in the suburbs... My house is literally 7 feet from my neighbors house and I hate it. As soon as I get back from deployment, I am selling my house and moving back to the country where I belong. I don't want to live on top of someone else's house and be a fly on the wall to everything that happens in their house.

Give me my land, give me my rifles and pistols... and leave me alone!!


Sorry, I had to vent...

Quoted: Quoted: Sure, that's fine. (Are there cities in Ohio?) Three of them, and all three vote democratic.  The rest of the state votes republican.

Don't forget the armpit of Ohio we call Toledo. #4 metro area in population...  Also big union town with few "real" jobs and STILL stuck in the 1980's.  They're still waitng for all those manufacturing jobs to return.  Hence a lean towards democraps.

Well this is a good topic as im from New York . I was born in 1974 in Queens i lived there till my dad got tired of working his ass off  just to deal  with all the bs. We moved to long island  better place to raise kids . At 18 i went to the Army  and was sent off. Now im 30 and have lived in 4 states counting were i just moved  Florida. I have lived in T.N the great Smoky Mounts , Charlston South Carolina, Myrtle beach S.c .  5 months ago i began to wonder if i made the right choice not going back to New York, and being a time in my life i needed to make a choice were i was going to spend the rest of my life and raise my kids. Soooo  i moved back to Oceanside  New york and started  my new job $1200 a week .Well 1 week working back in Mannhattin and i started to think i made a mistake 3 weeks in i new i made a huge mistake 1 month into it i was on the phone with employers on a cell phone trying to secure a job out of new york. with a job ready i sent the wife and kids away to Florida and 2 months i folowed with the moving truck. Looking back you would think wow that was crazy ,but as i sit here and think about what i did i know now it had to be done in order for me to know in my heart  going home was not for the best . Now for the rest of my life i will never wonder what if.  

So you want to know why it sucked ..?  Well First thing getting up at 4am to get to the city buy7am sucks ass thats 2 hours to get to work . 2 hours to get home 4 hours a day your not geting paid for 20 hours a week ..52 weeks a year  1040 hours you gave away for free..to deal with huge crowds  yelling speeding cabs ,horns beeping  everywere you look you see crowds ...its like being at a rock concert every day 13 hours a day  ..then the gas is 2.60 a gal . and theres so much more ill be here all night ....couple that with only 40 days of warm weather  and most of that time its windy...and the rest of the time its 9  deg  out  and -17 with the wind chill  cold rain and  if its not rain its snow...well theres my 1.50 worth.......