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Posted: 9/13/2004 6:42:52 AM EDT
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I'm not sure about the legality of putting a stock or forward grip on a pistol; I think either puts it in AOW territory...
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Posted: 9/13/2004 6:46:49 AM EDT
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The T/C Contender is the same thing.... Take a T/C Contender pistol add a stock and a > 16-inch barrel and it is a rifle... you can later reverse the process and convert back to a pistol as it is a pistol.... That is why I use it as the standard to compare to this case... And... if a pistol is always a pistol I have a bunch of AMD-65 compliance pats I don't need now... perhaps I need another kit to build as a rifle 
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Posted: 9/13/2004 6:47:36 AM EDT
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Once a pistol, always a pistol.
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Posted: 9/13/2004 8:32:14 AM EDT
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As long as you add a 16+" barrel with that buttstock you are good to go. But if you add a buttstock to the AMD's 12.5" barrel you get instant SBR.
If you build a pistol using an AMD kit you can NOT use the original fore end as it has a "pistol" grip forend which presents a grip at an "angle" to the boreline, this constitutes an AOW. Forward grips must be approximately parallel to the bore. |
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Posted: 9/13/2004 8:45:40 AM EDT
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Agreed.... Pistol Info www.quarterbore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32 AOW issues www.quarterbore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31 Note: AOW law is one that I would love to see get challanged as there is case law to show that that the ATF OPPINION as you describe is not going to stand up in a court of law... I just want to do it in the correct way if I do challange it by registering a pistol as an AOW and the take the BATFE to court for a tax refund for an unnecessary tax payment! For my AMD-65 pistol build I just removed the bottom grip and the metal lug it mounts to... It leaves a square hole and a slight "v" fold but it works until I can fabricate something else.... Now, with the question above, would a pistol, built as a rifle with a rifle stock and > 16-inch barrel become an AOW when it has a forward grip added? Do you see how strange this can become yet? |
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Posted: 9/13/2004 8:48:59 AM EDT
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When configured as a pistol it is a pistol...
When configured as a rifle it is a rifle... It is legal to convert a pistol to a rifle so long as it complies with the NFA while in rifle form. It is then legal to return it to pistol form, so long as you remove the stock & any VFGs.... The legal definition of 'pistol' is just slightly different than 'rifle', and allows conversion 'up' to a rifle and back.... Examples include the Mech-tech 'Carbine' units for 1911's, Glocks & Beretta 92s, and the various T/C models... |
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Posted: 9/13/2004 8:52:30 AM EDT
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So, do you think 922(r) applies when configured as a rifle...? (I don't at this time) So, do you think a forward grip is allowed when configured as a rifle? (I don't at this time) |
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Posted: 9/13/2004 8:58:58 AM EDT
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Ok I have 6 AR stripped lowers and I want to make a pistol out of one of them what are the legalities?
As long as they were sold stripped I can build what right? Thanks FREE |
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Posted: 9/13/2004 9:03:54 AM EDT
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Pistol Info www.quarterbore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32 AOW issues www.quarterbore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31 |
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Posted: 9/13/2004 9:29:14 AM EDT
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No. With a rifle stock and a greater than 16" barrel it becomes a leagally configured rifle. Under 16" barrel it becomes SBR. No buttstock and ANY length barrel it becomes pistol.No buttstock and any length barrel with forward pistol grip it becomes AOW. 
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Posted: 9/13/2004 9:31:58 AM EDT
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thanks
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Posted: 9/13/2004 9:34:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/13/2004 9:36:43 AM EDT
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Yes if configured as a rifle it must be 922(r) compliant with 10 U.S. made parts, which is not much of an issue with AR based rifles. AMD's ,Krinks would be an issue. I will build a Krink when I get done with the OA93, but will not have a rear trunion designed to accomodate a buttstock. |
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Posted: 9/13/2004 10:10:48 AM EDT
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I think you guys have me convinced... I am guessing that the law world define a PISTOL configured as a RIFLE as being a rifle as the weapon in that configuration would have the characteristics to meet the definition of the rifle. i have the necessary US Compliance parts so it ie easy for me to add the parts to my AMD-65 pistol when I configure her as a rifle and pin/weld the extended Muzzle Brake on! I also like the thought of being able to have the front grip as well....
I wonder if this is worth a letter to the Tech Branch... this is still a grey area but I am gussing you guys are correct now that I think about it more... |
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Posted: 9/13/2004 11:05:43 AM EDT
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If you pin/weld the brake on it is moot, as at 16" it stays a rifle no matter what... The real question for ATF is does a screw on bbl extension & attachable stock make a 'conversion kit', or is it a SBR? |
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Posted: 9/13/2004 11:10:15 AM EDT
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Except I am doing a screw build... I have more options as long as my front trunion is replaceable  I assume that a removable barrel extension with a stock would fall into NFA SBR class... |
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