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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:37:52 AM EDT
[#1]
I drew my line in the sand long ago.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:40:01 AM EDT
[#2]
Fine with me! THen we can finally get this thing to the supreme court after Bush packs it with conservatives and get this over with once and for all. One way or another the next four years are going to be among the most "interesting" times in American history.  |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:41:09 AM EDT
[#3]
STFU, quit whining and get everyone you know registered as a Repub.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:42:10 AM EDT
[#4]
That would be fine too.
Can you imagine the shake up in Congress, this time? It was pretty big last time. It would be ENORMOUS, this time. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:42:38 AM EDT
[#5]
Actually, they will try, but fail to get a new law passed. There wasn't support to renew this one even as toothless as it was, there will certainly not be enough support to get another passed any time soon. In short, nothing will happen. When the dems are querried about failure here, they will say Hey, we banned machineguns in 1986 and imports of cheap foreign weapons in 1989. Those were the things to worry about. Not the $1k collector pieces. See, we were successful. Nothing to see here, move along, move along.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:42:47 AM EDT
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I agree with one thing, we will only be REALLY REALLY safe from stuff like this when the Supreme Court hands down a decision in our favor. Until then, it's a question of who controls the Presidency and the Congress.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:43:42 AM EDT
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The ordinary every day sheeple and soccer mom will not be truly concerned with our problems until they are personally affected by the law, such as when we had the '92 L.A. riots. Many of the sheeple & soccer moms decided to get a gun that day, of course they couldn't because of Kali-fornia 15-day wait(its down to 10 days currently). |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:44:01 AM EDT
[#8]
This will fly over in a week, unless those protesters in thongs start coming out again
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:46:29 AM EDT
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I hope and pray that the continuing education of america through alternative news sources will continue, and when the predicted blood bath resulting from the AWB sunset does not appera, peapole will realize they have been duped.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:48:50 AM EDT
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I agree the fight will never end. The Democrats want to disarm the public so they can push their totalitarian government agenda. I don't think they are going to get what they want, though. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:48:51 AM EDT
[#11]
I think so to.. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:50:27 AM EDT
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I really hope that gun owners have had enough of kissing the governments ass and will ignore/boycott/defiy any new "ban" or law that infringes on our Rights under the 2nd Amend. I really can't believe that people didn't tell the government to "fuck off" with the first ban but I hope that they'll get their balls back and stand up and say it if a new ban is ever put into place. WE tell the government what to do, the government doesn't tell us what to do unless we roll over and let them.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:54:00 AM EDT
[#13]
I bought a MOLON LABE hat.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:55:42 AM EDT
[#14]
The next Civil War will spark as a result of firearm confiscation.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:57:51 AM EDT
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I agree and I am buying and building as much as I can as soon as I can as if the elections go to the Democrats I will bet you only have about 4-months before a new law is shoved down out throats! If the Republicans keep control, we are still not safe but at least we have a chance to defeat this....
Everybody needs to be watchful and we need every vote we can get! I just wish I had more money to invest as the next few months may be the last chance to get some of the stuff you ever wanted... I keep looking at my list and wondering what I am missing.... Want to help... AR-10T: Rifle (have- need to thread barrel for silencer) AR-10A4: Convert to CAR-10 format (have CAR stock and need to thread barrel) AR-15 M4A3 carbine: (all done on Bushmaster Post-ban as I have a NFA LL) AR-15 Pistol: Curently non-ban Bolt Action but have semi-auto 11.5-in A3 upper ready to assemble AKM: post-ban SAR-1 and need to thread barrel and add Hungarian side folder (Folder ordered) PM11-9: post ban Cobray M11/9 that I need to remove the welded stock and thread the barrel Beyond the above: I am building three FALs (2 as rifle 1 as a carbine) I am building 3 80% AR-15 lowers as normal AR-15 lowers I am building 1 80% lower as a dedicated 9mm I am building two AMD-65 kits as pistols I am building one PMKMS kit as an AKMS (AK-47 underfolder) I have a Bren MkI I am planning to build as a semiauto if I get the time and... I have a 1919a4 kit and sideplate I need to get done as who knows if belt feds could be next... Now, with these you factor in that new hicap mags are going to be available again and there are a few others like a good old customized 10-22 that I want to add and I have come to the conclusion that I am going in debt in a pretty big way... If I am wrong and the ban never comes back I will have a lot of cool toys I don't really need but if I am correct and a new ban comes I will have most of my bases covered! Yea, I am paranoid!==> 
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Posted: 9/10/2004 8:58:06 AM EDT
[#16]
Let me tell you a story about a boy named DriftPunch who thought in 1996 that the Democratic party would turn into a superparty, and the Republicans would become trivial. I sure was right on that one...
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Posted: 9/10/2004 9:03:29 AM EDT
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The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
The lies we see right now are just the beginning. In the future, every crime in which a gun is used will be described as an "Assault Weapon which was previously illegal to own", thus implying it would never have happened. Any Arab-American who buys a gun will be described as "easy gun access to terorrists". Just an hour ago I saw FOXNEWS report the Brady bill will expire on Monday. The onslaught is going to be unbeleivable, but we must fight. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 9:10:06 AM EDT
[#18]
I blame alot of this crap on our parents and grandparents for not kicking the shit out of the government back in '34 when they passed the NFA. That was the first step down the slippery slop of gun control and it should have been nipped in the bud back then so we'd not have to deal with all these stupid laws today.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 9:16:07 AM EDT
[#19]
The Degenerate Left is great at using Scare tactics to guide the 85% of the population that HAS NO FUCKING CLUE.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 9:16:52 AM EDT
[#20]
Cold Dead Hands.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 9:18:33 AM EDT
[#21]
1 year of glee? I'm counting on at least 4 of them starting November.
 I've got one year to get outta CA, then three years of stock piling, and should worse come to worse...boating accidents. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 9:20:27 AM EDT
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Nope - as long as Repubs control the House and Senate - they will turn their energy to individual STATE LEGISLATURES. State-by-state... slowly but surely. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 9:20:58 AM EDT
[#23]
I agree. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 9:23:44 AM EDT
[#24]
Gun owners should be a privledged class, like the Homos and Minorities. We should be pandered to, GOD DAMN IT!
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Posted: 9/10/2004 10:32:22 AM EDT
[#25]
Have there been any Supreme Court Cases in which past bans where challenged?
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Posted: 9/10/2004 10:34:39 AM EDT
[#26]
The American revolution was sparked by attempted weapons confiscation. And its my sense, that if it ever comes to civil war in USA, it will be the most horrifying and heinous event in US history. If the past 10 years teaches us anything, it is that we MUST do all we can politically to stop such garbage legislation... in so doing, we can say we've prevented civil war... |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 10:40:25 AM EDT
[#27]
+1 Bring on the total ban. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 10:48:14 AM EDT
[#28]
I agree with everything gvidon212 said... although I take it from a slightly different angle; since I basically learned everything I know about the ar15 world amidst the AWB (I'm 21yrs old), I am just happy to add a few diff. configs to my black rifles, and maybe a few high cap mags for my USP.
However, with talks of a very strong BATF legislation in the works, and everyone across the board screaming bloody murder about the AWB sunset... I also fear there is so much more to lose. Ultimately, the uniformed public, and worse, the uniformed MEDIA, equates assault weapons with machine guns and automatic fire... Most ppl cant distinguish, and moreso, are shocked that citizens can readily buy an ar-15 type rifle, and are appalled by the fact that civies can even buy automatic weapons, too (lol, they dont even hear "ATF" or "permit" when i explain the conditions, just 'anyone can own a machine gun') next 4 years will be intense, +1 to the previous poster who said this Santi |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 10:52:05 AM EDT
[#29]
I'm not so sure. I'm discouraged by the number of AWB compliant rifles that people own. And look at how many people registered their rifles in Kali. It's hard to to take the COME AND GET EM crowd seriously when they're holding AWB compliant guns.  How will they make a BIG stand, when they can even make a small stand? |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 10:57:07 AM EDT
[#30]
Pretty much what I've learned is that what ever you keep the Feds from taking from you, it's a whole nuther ball game with the State or locals, which seems to be able to crush your nuts with wild abandon be it property rights or gun rights (note: do not exist in CA and several other states at least in the practical sense).
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Posted: 9/10/2004 12:06:11 PM EDT
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On the federal level it will be all about this November's elections. If we do well in the House and Senate, the antis won't have a chance to vote on another ban until January 2007. By that time, I would think that even the Democrats will start to clue in to the possibility that gun control is not a popular proposition that will get them elected.
Of course, here we are after ten years of the Democrats losing power due to gun control votes. The last successful Democrat acknowledges as much and can name specific instances where it cost them elections and STILL they try to ride that tired old horse one more time. It reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Bart keeps trying to grab the cupcake hooked to an electrical charge. ZZZZZZZZZT! Ow! ZZZZZZZZZZZZT! Ow! ZZZZZZZT! Ow! They just don't grasp why they keep getting shocked. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 12:20:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2004 12:20:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Can we remember this when Bush signs the next ban?
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Posted: 9/10/2004 12:53:14 PM EDT
[#34]
 If the Antis couldn't even BUDGE a simple extension of an existing ban through the House or Senate - why in the world do you think a NEW ban (and probably more sinister one) would ever make it to GWBush's desk??? GWBush did NOTHING but give miniscule lip-service to this ban (which was favored by 70% of the voting ignoramuses out there). He did NOTHING to indicate he would ever even ASK for another AWB. What makes you think he'd even want to BEGIN to go down that road anew??? As long as the Republicans are in charge of Congress, I guarandamntee ya' there will be NO "next ban".
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Posted: 9/10/2004 12:57:34 PM EDT
[#35]
Fixed it. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 12:58:39 PM EDT
[#36]
Because I read the presidential names attached to previous bans and I take note of the R or D next to it. His daddy was stupid enough to do it, I think he will follow.
Just let it alone and in 4 years you owe me a beer. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 1:21:29 PM EDT
[#37]
Well, they were in charge of the SENATE, and they managed to pass a bunch of anti-gun crapola, thankfully the House held strong. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 1:56:20 PM EDT
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Hell, I'll bet a rifle that GWB won't sign any type of semi-auto ban in the next four years if re-elected. Plain jane A2 20" sound good? Beer will work as well if you aren't that confident about it...
They had 51 out of 100 votes in the Senate. That is being "in charge" of the Senate in the same way that you are "in control" of your car even though you are driving with your knees. It only takes one or two Republicans to not agree and you are no longer in charge. 10 Republicans voted for the ban. 41 voted against it. 42 Democrats voted for the ban. Six voted against it. One did not vote. Almost all of this year's Republican Senate candidates are opposed to the ban. If Republicans won every Senate race and we counted Republicans who had made no public stance on the ban as antis, we would still see the vote above change from 52-47 to 45-54. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 2:25:11 PM EDT
[#39]
Well, we better call our Congressmen then to make sure the ban stays and your scenario doesn't come to pass. We can still pull defeat from the jaws of victory. 
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Posted: 9/10/2004 2:31:54 PM EDT
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The widespread use of the internet gives us more power than we had 10 years ago. Even back in 1999, internet forums were still largely unknown and therefore allowed the CA ban to pass without much resistance. MD defeated a CA-like ban this year, and I like our chances even at the state levels with our ability to communicate with and mobilize on our politicians.
The more difficult thing to do is repeal laws. Those chances are next to zero unless SCOTUS sets the record once and for all. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 2:36:16 PM EDT
[#41]
Damn man, we can't even get thru this one without someone predicting the next one!
PARTY POOPER  |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 2:42:39 PM EDT
[#42]
This is a fine point. I wonder seriously if the AWB would have passed in '94 if the net was the way it is now. Remember, it was only by one vote. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 2:45:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Party pooper I may be. But even with these thoughts on my mind I will put together my brand new post Sunset, post-ban, preban with a hurrah and have a hell of a time at the range. Hopefully others will be there with their balck rifles too.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 2:55:45 PM EDT
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What makes you think we'll get anything but cardboard conservatives from bush? Remmember, Ron Raygun gave us Sandra Day oconner. The republicrate smokescreen has got a whole bus of you folks faked. God help us all while we let Bush sell us down the river faster that Kerry or Clinton ever could
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Posted: 9/10/2004 2:58:01 PM EDT
[#45]
Hope your kids dont need food or health care
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Posted: 9/10/2004 2:58:20 PM EDT
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I don't disagree that Bush would sign a new bill in a second. But he has done us a big favor by staying silent on the matter. The political implications of him vetoeing such a bill would be disastrous. Either way he is the best bet we have in this race and not voting for him on this issue would be foolish.
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Posted: 9/10/2004 3:03:41 PM EDT
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You are a fool. |
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Posted: 9/10/2004 3:12:09 PM EDT
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If we wan't to own evil guns
, we best get out the out the word "no more gun control"
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Posted: 9/10/2004 3:18:10 PM EDT
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As kong as bush and his kind throw us a bone like this now and them we will always be getting screwed in the big picture. National ID is coming with the 911 commition report, but hey, at least we get a flash hider and a pre-ban stock. The awb is small potatoes compared to whats coming. Just dont forget that more freedoms are lost during a war and a republican administration (so-called conservative),Than at any other time
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Posted: 9/10/2004 3:58:54 PM EDT
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10 points for having read the talking points. -20 points for forgetting to mention that John Kerry is a Vietnam war hero. |
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