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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:02:20 AM EDT
[#1]
They have"acceptable levels of work".
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:04:48 AM EDT
[#2]
no
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:05:41 AM EDT
[#3]
Most departments have activity standards. You can meet these standards without writing tickets.
We can: Write warnings do motorist assists do PR contacts give directions etc... |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:10:11 AM EDT
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Sometimes I write 2 or 3 traffic citations in a 10 hour shift.
Sometimes I write that many in about a month. No quotas, I'm to busy taking out of control juvenile reports where the 13 year old girl has been gone for 3 days, or vehicle burglary reports or vehicle theft reports or residential burglary reports or traffic collision reports or "I lost my cell phone and need a report for the insurance" reports orspousal abuse reports or attempted murder reports or missing person reports or petty theft reports or under the influence reports or possession of Methamphetamine reports or unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor reports or battery reports or arresting people for any of these crimes and driving them to jail. Don't often have a lot of time to write traffic citations. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:17:53 AM EDT
[#5]
some depts do
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:22:56 AM EDT
[#6]
How the hell do you think I got this stack of toasters????????
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:25:16 AM EDT
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You didn't earn the blender yet? Slacker....  S.O. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:25:54 AM EDT
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That is funny. A few years ago during an exceptionally busy month my Asst. Chief grilled me because I was in the lead with arrests. He was bitching about us having a contest. (we were not) When he finished with his bitch fest I told him the winner would get a toaster. It was not pretty for a while after that.
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:27:14 AM EDT
[#9]
Yup..  ..and they get bitch slapped if they don't meet them
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:29:58 AM EDT
[#10]
Some do and yes they are illegal (at least in NY)
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Posted: 9/9/2004 12:32:20 AM EDT
[#11]
Donut quota maybe....
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Posted: 9/9/2004 1:37:05 AM EDT
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As was once said to me by a chp buddy, "no, I just LOVE
 giving out more tickets at the end of the month" |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 1:52:41 AM EDT
[#13]
Cops don't have quotas. But they DO have to look like they are enforcing the law. Whether LE admits to it or not, a lot of departments have an "expected" number of tickets they are supposed to write.
I get this from several officers I know. To advance, you must prove you are enforcing the law. This means giving tickets to a lot of guys.... |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 2:10:46 AM EDT
[#14]
I know for a fact that a small town near me has "requirements" of 2 tickets PER DAY. (Yes, it's a speedtrap). My sister worked for that department as a dispatcher, and overheard the mayor and chief tell the two deputies that if there weren't 2 tickets per day, there would be a vacancy in the department because the village couldn't operate it's force without the ticket revenue.
What do you call that? Quota. Illegal, and a quota. Do all departments have them? I suspect to some degree even if it's implied, but a traffic cop that doesn't write tickets will not be a cop for long. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 2:27:25 AM EDT
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Just the way I've always been told by LEO buddies. Some department are more strict than others. The small township near My work is a BIT*H about them mid/end-month. Tall Shadow |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 2:33:27 AM EDT
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Our standard traffic nazi answer: No, we don't have quotas. We can write as many tickets as we want.
Cute. Officers assigned to our traffic branch are out there to write tickets first. They don't take runs. Since it is their job, it is not unreasonable to expect them to see one traffic violation an hour. That's their goal. 8 tickets a working day. So if an officer assigned to traffic works 20 days a month, they are supposed to have written 160 tickets. Yes it is a quota, just like a person working in a factory is supposed to turn out so many pieces for each hour worked. The only difference is that the factory worker isn't stealing money out of your pocket to finance local government greed. Damn I hate traffic tickets. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 2:45:31 AM EDT
[#17]
"performance objectives" that show up in your evals...
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Posted: 9/9/2004 2:55:32 AM EDT
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DONUTS! only for DONUTS!
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Posted: 9/9/2004 3:04:49 AM EDT
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We have no quotas. We have all of the officers arrests (criminal and traffic) posted on the board. Some people have 1 & 1, some have 10 & 9, it just depends. I think the average for August was 4.5 for traffic and 3 for criminal. I try to fall somewhere in the middle, but try to be above average. I work nights, so I make a lot more criminal arrests than traffic.
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Posted: 9/9/2004 3:33:22 AM EDT
[#20]
No Quota: I can give out as many as I want!!!
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Posted: 9/9/2004 3:58:09 AM EDT
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1 an hour??? the way some people drive around here you could fill a book a day.
Small towns it might be tough, even hicks learn after a while and if there isn't a lot of out of towners the locals are going to make sure the Mayor and the Chief get the message. But if you live in at least a moderately sized city, keep yur eyes open see how many good ones you could write. Besides if we are employing a traffic officer we want to get our moneys worth out of him (oh yeah and out of you )
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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:06:25 AM EDT
[#22]
Bingo.... |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:12:16 AM EDT
[#23]
It's ridiculous of you even to imply that the friendly neighborhood traffic enforcement officer would have any motivation to pull you over other than public safety.
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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:21:32 AM EDT
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yup, Ohio is notorious for "aggressive & creative enforcement" (as are certain townships in PA) perhaps the worst offender was New Rome WV has the well-known Summersville speed trap a town of 3000 writing 18,000 tickets a year and where Burger King employees are deputized to take down speeding grandmas. I have nothing against citations for legitimately hazardous driving, "speed traps" and officers flaunting the law they are supposed to enforce (re: the PA troopers who were clocked time & time again transporting Gov. Rendell at 100 MPH+ when there was no emergency - did they lose their licenses or get a ticket? Not a chance) do nothing but destroy repsect the public has for law enforcement. We have a local township that is considering disbanding their force because everyone knows the place is a speed trap and now they "don't generate enough revenue" to keep their force employed (people avoid the town altogether). Speed traps & quotas are a sleazy way to collect taxes. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:28:00 AM EDT
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When I was a new guy, my goal was one arrest a shift. Felony, Misdemanor, or warrant, it didnt matter. that was too easy a standard. Stop 10 cars, two of the drivers will have a warrant, at least. So I quit counting warrant arrests and decided street charges only. Well working midnights, it's awful damn easy to find a DUI every night, so I quit counting misdemeanors. My goal is one felony arrest a shift. Typically Possession of stolen property, auto theft, burglary, or narcotics sales, with an occasional domestic violence thrown in. It's not a quota, its a minimum performace standard I place on myself. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:32:33 AM EDT
[#26]
We utilize performance objectives, which consist of a tally of: tickets, arrests, civil papers, warrants executed, etc. You can have a slow month, but a prolonged trend of low numbers will get you on the carpet. This has been a slow summer for me ticket wise, so I need to pick up my activity level in the other areas soon or I'll be on the carpet.
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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:38:18 AM EDT
[#27]
Good to see an officer challenge themselves; just how big is your patrol area/ population base that you are that busy with that level of offense? |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:38:54 AM EDT
[#28]
while that may be true in practice, doesn't it run counter to presumption of innocence? I have no problem if a motorist is pulled over for a legitimate traffic violation (the key here is legitimate, I know there are catch-alls that can be used an an excuse to pull anyone over), then if there is a warrant, great, toss him/her in the pokey. What does trouble me deeply are random checkpoints (usually called "DUI checkpoints" to garner soccer mom support) which may be great PR, but utterly trample the rights to free and unimpeded travel. (btw, the last checkpoint I was stopped at was in rural Virginia at 2 in the afternoon last year, they never did say what it was for - all my papers being in order and nothing illegal on my person, in my car or bloodstream, I was permitted to go my way) Nobody complains about a legitimate stop, (nobody should, anyway) but some places exist just to lighten the wallet of the unwary traveler. One would think an officer's goal should be to apprehend those breaking the law, some days it might be ten, some days it might be zero. Cuffing one bad guy a day seems "quota-ish" Rather like a Doctor saying "I will save one heart-attack patient per day" After he saves the first one, does he knock off for the rest of the day? Does he go looking for likely victims and scare them "BOO!" if he has not saved anyone and his shift is almost over? |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:40:14 AM EDT
[#29]
He is saying thats the per centage of people with warrants he finds on traffic stops. He isn't talking about checkpoints, etc. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 4:58:32 AM EDT
[#30]
Right. Criminals have to move from one place to another. A good way to intercept them is to use traffic stops. Unfortunately innocent people are sometimes stopped. People get pissed. I can't blame them, but criminals usually try not to stand out from every one else. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:00:53 AM EDT
[#31]
Depends on the department. Here in Wichita they must average 1 ticket a day, to show that they are keeping up with the practice of how to approach a car. But that is not a quota.
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:04:40 AM EDT
[#32]
Understood (and from a practical matter, probably as efficient as any method) but troubling in that rights are being sacrificed to meet a goal (ends justify the means argument) Difficult problem. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:22:26 AM EDT
[#33]
How is anyones rights being sacrificed by an officer conducting a traffic stop and determining that the driver or vehicle occupant is wanted? |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:27:12 AM EDT
[#34]
My dad was a cop for a long time, and I asked him the same question once.
His answer was, in short, yes, but they aren't called "quotas". They are called "preformance standards" or something like that; i.e., an on the ball cop should write "X" amount of tickets, etc. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:29:22 AM EDT
[#35]
I don't think that ignores the presumption of ignorance. I think it is a statistic. TXL |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:30:08 AM EDT
[#36]
Team jumping to conclusions, has ASS-U-me-d that 10 people are getting randomly stopped for NO reason. You have to put a disclaimer in for the simpletons. If an officer legally stops 10 people, based on PC, there is a likelyhood that some of those people stopped will have warrants, or be committing more serious offenses than just the traffic violation that the officer stopped them from. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:32:18 AM EDT
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Name one job that doesn't have "performance standards"? Pretty tough for the boss to say we expect a certain amount of work from you. I can't define what exactly the word work means, or what certain amount entails................................. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:35:02 AM EDT
[#38]
When I was a new guy, my goal was one arrest a shift. Felony, Misdemanor, or warrant, it didnt matter. that was too easy a standard. Stop 10 cars, two of the drivers will have a warrant, at least. So I quit counting warrant arrests and decided street charges only. Well working midnights, it's awful damn easy to find a DUI every night, so I quit counting misdemeanors.
welcome to Am3rika, comrade...where EVERYONE is a criminal. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:46:38 AM EDT
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When asked, "Are you trying to make your quota today?" My reply is nope, I met it already and this one is just for fun.
We actually write up our own personal performance standard, so we can do what we like to do. 
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Posted: 9/9/2004 5:47:53 AM EDT
[#40]
I always liked the old joke:
motorist getting a ticket: "What's the matter, haven't met your quota for the month?" trooper: "Oh, we don't have quotas for tickets anymore...we can give out as many as we want to!" |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 6:36:17 AM EDT
[#41]
All departments have quotas, but it more sophisticated than a simple quota system to get around the legality issue. It may be hidden and disguised, but it is there.
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Posted: 9/9/2004 6:38:42 AM EDT
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Why aren't all you cops in this thread denouncing the gun confiscating cops working in the CAGE units in Illinois in this thread? www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=272383
Just a question. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 8:11:35 AM EDT
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Checkpoints do stop people at random. There is no PC when you set up a roadblock and everyone has to pass muster. Maybe in your neck of the woods, several out of every 10 people stopped for a traffic violation have warrants. Depends on the neighborhood, I hope your "simpleton" remark wasn't directed towards me. We were having a respectful discussion. We can disagree with each other without name-calling. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 8:35:24 AM EDT
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Provo, Utah boasts how well it's quota system for issuing tickets makes the roads safer.
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Posted: 9/9/2004 8:47:50 AM EDT
[#45]
"unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor reports" does it happen that often? |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 8:48:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/9/2004 8:56:49 AM EDT
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buddy of mine (now deceased) was a radar operator at Ft. Bliss, the MP's had set up speed traps on the base, he brought the dish down to zero elevation, tracked over to the MP's vehicle (which he said was something like a mile away), blipped the power, then watched through binoculars as the MP tried to figure out why his radar gun didn't work no more... guess they kept this up for quite some time, lol 
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Posted: 9/9/2004 9:11:00 AM EDT
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NO, the ones they have not pulled over are not criminals yet, you don't become a criminal until they decide to stop you, then you may be a misdemeanor or a felony depending on how late in the shift it is, and if whether or not they have met thier "self imposed standards" yet. Edited to add: this is sarcasm, I believe that for the most part traffic cops have a tough job, and probably ignore dozens of minor violations for ever one that they pull over. It is the attidude of some that i find suspect, and even then I realize that they are only doing what they feel is in the best interest of the community that they serve. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 9:16:25 AM EDT
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Maybe because the discussion is about traffic tickets, and I couldn't care less about Illinois? I don't have a quota. I DO have a personal performance standard. Since 1983 I have never been told to increase my "productivity". Tickets are EASY. If so inclined I could do NOTHING but traffic cites in a 10 hour shift. Heck, I could do the same with NON-traffic cites. (Yes Virginia, you can be ticketed for other things besides traffic laws) My performance standard is not measured by individual arrests in the day to day, (I might make no arrests on Monday, 6 on Tuesday). But by the overall crime/accident stats in my assigned patrol area. You can SEE the difference. Talk of "quotas" is simply another red herring put out by the usual anti-cop, anti-govt clowns who are attempting to justify their pathetic positions. |
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Posted: 9/9/2004 9:17:55 AM EDT
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Bullshit, I don't believe that for a second. |
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