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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:36:11 AM EDT
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This is the nightmare scenario. Given the success of the train station attack in Spain, and now this. The terrs are sure to take note and act accordingly. We have an action plan in place, although I pray to God we never have to implement it. Ops
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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:38:41 AM EDT
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They're not.
I have always been in a bit of a quandry.... My wife teached some of the biggest scumbags at the local high school. I have always thought she should do more to protect her own life than the students'. Sounds pretty callous for sure. But if you ever met some of these kids you would agree. They're horrible. They'll cuss her to her face, threaten her, etc.... Also my wife teaches in a building a good three hundred yards from the main building. If something ever went down over there, and she got wind of it, I wonder what she should really do. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:42:30 AM EDT
[#3]
Well, apparently you were never TEACHED proper english. 
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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:43:14 AM EDT
[#4]
doh!!
oops..... |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:44:40 AM EDT
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Anyone (ie, a parent or group of parents) who thinks he (or they) could storm the building to grab their kid(s) is dreaming. Armed or not.
You'd have BOTH the cops AND the BGs shooting at you. It would be truly a "no-win" situation. This is but one of many reasons why I don't want my kids in a gov't school. We will Homeschool or send them to a Christian school. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:46:23 AM EDT
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mcgrubbs: The teachers would be toast. In Los Angeles Unified Schools, a few teachers have been raped in their classrooms, and they couldn't call for help because there were no phones until recently. Also it is against school policy to bring knives or any other weapons to school.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:46:54 AM EDT
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America is just a better place.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:48:16 AM EDT
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I've felt that schools and churches are two of our most vulnerable places for years.
M |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:52:51 AM EDT
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… Immunity is pretty much an all-inclusive noun.
… Probable? Who knows. … However, President Bush has touched on this scenario. … His goal (and hopefully yours too) is to make such a dastardly act so un-lucrative on American soil that not only would the terrorists assuredly die, but the United States Marines will go to your homeland and extract a pound of flesh from your people for killing my child. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 4:54:21 AM EDT
[#10]
I've never thought that.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:01:19 AM EDT
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I'll tell you why schools will never be attacked. First of all schools are "gun-free" zones; so therefore no guns would be allowed. Terrorists know this and thus avoid schools. They all know that at some point they would have to use firearms, so naturally they only go to places that allow them. I dont know of any schools that allow people to carry, much less use guns; so basically the school option is not a realistic one for them. 
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:05:32 AM EDT
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NOTHING makes me think that....... Unfortunately, us Americans never deal with anything until it stares us in the face, and some of us won't even do it then..... |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:06:36 AM EDT
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Frankly,
I have no problem with telling my wife to try to get out of a situation. Take the kids with you if you want, I don't care. Her building is set off from everything else. It has five exits. Her car is 25 feet from the door. Just do something!! I can't believe that doing NOTHING is a good choice. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:09:19 AM EDT
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I doubt that anyone on this forum believe that we are immune. This could easily happen here. I wonder if we could handle it as well as the Russians. We have a higher degree of capabilities, but our people might wring their hands waiting for a solution which would have zero risk to the hostages (not possible) and surrender all inititave to the terrorists. We are a very soft culture, after all.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:09:27 AM EDT
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Uhhh... OK... And a Christian School is more immune to a terrr attack why? Ever think it may be just the opposite? |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:11:12 AM EDT
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Who says it can't happen here?
The only thing that likely keeps it from happening here is simply because the IslamoFacists don't think they have the numbers and their neighbors' support for doing this sort of operation! If it does happen here, there will be such a backlash against the Islamic population of this nation that would make the reaction following September 11th look like a Kumbayah Sing-along. That's why it is in the best interests of the Islamic population in this nation to look after their own neighborhoods to ferret out any IslamoFacist cells and supporters themselves! Eric The(Realistic)Hun 
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:11:15 AM EDT
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Let's face it: It would be much simpler and easier to take a smaller school. Such as a small private, or parochial, school.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:19:02 AM EDT
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After Columbine, I instructed my kids that should anything happen at school, they were to leave the premises. If that meant throwing a desk through a window, I didn't care. The concept of a lockdown in their classrooms is only to insure that the BG's could collect their hostages at their leisure.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:20:25 AM EDT
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Agreed, but since when have Muslims acted reasonably? I harbor absolutely no dillusions that this type of nightmare will not happen here. None whatsoever. 
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:22:55 AM EDT
[#20]
We are of course not immune. Though, it does help that we don't have a breakaway radical Islamic state within our borders.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:26:01 AM EDT
[#21]
Dude there not on our border, their in our neighborhoods!! |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:27:05 AM EDT
[#22]
Yes, but they are a bit more timid and subdued than the Chechens. (For the moment). |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:28:15 AM EDT
[#23]
Exactly, thats why we have the laws we do. Besides pre-ban Full-Auto guns are way expensive for your common terrorist to buy. We have nothing to worry about.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:34:01 AM EDT
[#24]
A small church school out in the country is probably under their radar. I'm guessing that if the terrorists are planning something, they want to make a big statement and get the most out of their effort. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:37:08 AM EDT
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No secret that our schools are extremely vulnerable. Our no guns policies and no tolerance policies are in the media daily.
Here we have one resource officer with a gun in each public school, however private schools have none. Neither are deterants. I spent much of the night running over possible scenarios with my son. Really a hard topic if you think about it. Yes, the same thing here would have a major backlash a lot more so than Russia, however I don't think this is a deterrant either. One of the problems we have fighting terrorism is we tend to think of it as centralized and highly organized. IMHO, this is not the case 100% of the time. What we have is a bunch of Muslim time bombs with short fuses just waiting to go off the deep end. An example of this is the terrorist here in TN that took over the Greyhound bus shortly after 9/11. I seriously fear if Russia let's this ride, they and we are in for more of the same. The ability to win a war is the ability to adapt to the battlefield. It just shifted. Tj |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:41:02 AM EDT
[#26]
These guys like "high concept" attacks, they won't just attack a lone school. It'll be a nationwide series of incidents.
We can't possibly protect all the vulnerable targets. Schools, malls, hospitals, power plants. All Americans should prepare for some social disruption. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 5:47:57 AM EDT
[#27]
Exactly. Terrorists will strike where they can use weapons. The targets then become obvious: shooting ranges and gun shows. And maybe even military bases. 
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Posted: 9/3/2004 6:05:02 AM EDT
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I have avoided posting this very subject simply to be one more person not giving the jkl;jdsafl;dasjadsfl;fdsists any ideas.
<insert fictional news story of a similar attack on a U.S. school> This strikes at the heart of the Soccer Mom demographic, and the results would be...interesting. Most will probably shriek about how the govt has a responsibility to ensure safe schools (but, of course, will offer no real suggestions). A few will suggest that aming the staff might help. I suspect these few will be shouted down. It's gonna get ugly. I have a new (to me) SHTF scenario: 1. A school near me is attacked. 2. "Civil unrest" develops (i.e. "open season" - which I will not participate in) 3. National Guard is activated, and martial law is declared. What happens to my firearms when #3 starts? How can I have a boating accident with ten minutes' notice? |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 6:22:56 AM EDT
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WHEN such an attack occurs in America, there will be much flapping of gums but no real action. A lot of kids will die precisely because the soccer moms will be in hand wringing mode and whining about the evil of guns. After the fact, exactly NOTHING will be done in retribution to the enemy.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 6:29:59 AM EDT
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Ohio has come up with a solution. They are requiring that we demolish our "campus style" schools -- "Not able to control entry by unauthorized persons" and build a limited access single building concept. This will ensure that any individual will not be able to create a threat to our children.
What they don't tell us is that a dedicated group cannot be stopped (barring a platoon of defenders at every school) and they will be able to control a large group of students by merely controlling the exits to the facillity. I am only happy that this won't happen until my kids are graduated. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 6:30:22 AM EDT
[#31]
Depressing, but probably true. 
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Posted: 9/3/2004 6:38:36 AM EDT
[#32]
I don't know anyone who thinks that our schools (or our churches, homes, places of business and infrastructure for that matter) are safe anymore. My only question is how will Fatass Moore and the rest of the butt hurt, gun hatin' left wing try to turn this around on the rest of us??
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Posted: 9/3/2004 6:44:04 AM EDT
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I beg to differ, I think the soccer moms will blame it on the gunners and assualt weapons, and call for renewing of the '94 AWB. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:23:28 AM EDT
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Interesting, the school my kids attend is full of firearms including Evil Black/Brown/Green Rifles. Firearms instruction is part of the curiculum. Oh wait we home school! - Never mind.... |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:26:42 AM EDT
[#35]
Amen. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:29:45 AM EDT
[#36]
I feel for the Russians and frankly it is something that does worry me as do shopping malls, sporting events, and concerts....
 Imgine if that was your child! It would fill me with a rage that would never go out and I would die avenging the death of my kids... |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:33:33 AM EDT
[#37]
Personally, I don't think we are protected from this kind of terror at all. With our open borders and physical evidence pointing to AQ type infiltrators, I think we are gonna be in for some sad awakenings. There will be more than a few people who will wish they were armed. They need time to assemble armories, build bombs, recon, select targets, develop attack plans, train....but sure as hell, they will come.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:33:52 AM EDT
[#38]
the ONLY thing we can do to prevent that kind of attack is to keep up the pressure on the war on terror. Don't you think if al quaida could have done the type of attack in russia, here in the US they already would have?
it's been 3 years since the attacks on America, and there haven't been any follow up attacks, there's only one explanation for that. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:34:06 AM EDT
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The Russians won't do jack shit about this. They can't afford to. They are broke. This shit is going to keep happening over and over again until they leave Chechneya. IT will also start to happen here-as soon as Kerry gets elected. And it may happen sooner. Let's face it-there would be no way to prevent it.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:41:22 AM EDT
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The difference "MAY BE" that even the terorists may realize that picking that fight will make even the most liberal in our country become so angry that they would cause a backlash that would cause them such harm that they would never be able to opperate again. 911 was painful but what we are describing here is much worse then 911 IMHO.
Sometime I carry and sometimes I don't... events like this make me think it would be wise to be prepared at all times as this same thing could happen anywhere and any time and I wouldn't like being one of the sheep! |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:43:44 AM EDT
[#41]
Good point. Take the fight to THEM, on THEIR turf. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:46:02 AM EDT
[#42]
Great minds think alike.
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:48:40 AM EDT
[#43]
What I would give for that picture to be on the cover of the New York Times! Tj |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:50:34 AM EDT
[#44]
I perceive, Sir, that you are a prophet. MickeyMouse is on the money. This is exactly what will happen. Case in point is the recent prison standoff in Arizona earlier in the summer where our "wonderful" Governer caved into the demands of depraved inmates. This move has set a pecedent that will endanger the guard populace of local prisons immesurabley. Thanks a fuckin' lot, Janet. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:51:37 AM EDT
[#45]
We'll never hear from the media that "Chechen Rebels" really means "Muslim Terrorists."
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:54:00 AM EDT
[#46]
Dude, you don't know the Ruskies....trust me that even if they have to use rocks and sticks...some people are really gonna pay and pay very, very hard. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:56:25 AM EDT
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i heard on CNN or Fox earlier that the Russians were saying that half of the terrorists they had already killed were "arabs"...... could get interesting |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:58:31 AM EDT
[#48]
Couldn't have been CNN. Then again, what do I know, I don't have cable. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 7:58:58 AM EDT
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Schools are NOT immune to terrorist attack, so the churches, so the malls.... See the common denominator here? A big concentration of humanity in one area When dealing with terrorism issue, one can NOT rule out anything. |
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Posted: 9/3/2004 9:00:13 AM EDT
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"TEACHED"
Come on, guys, I am sure he meant "teaches". The S is right beside the D, and when I change from my fullsize split keyboard to a regular straight keyboard, or to a laptop, I make typos, too. Give the guy a break. I think I will attend the next school board meeting and suggest they take down the the No Guns signs at the schools. Hopefully parents will be encouraged to keep guns in their cars. |
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