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Posted: 8/31/2004 3:53:53 PM EDT
Now...Mom and Dad are "dyed in the wool" Democrats, who dont even know WHY they are Democrats.
We are originally from a coal mining town in Pennsylvania...and they were raised hating Republicans. I was raised hearing the same crap...but we moved to Florida in 1984, And I was old enough to start learning something about politics while Bill Clinton was in office....I soon became a Republican So, I am talking with my Mom...and something about the RNC came on the news. The following (loosely reproduced) conversation ensued: ME: Did you see John McCain make Michael Moore look like an ass? MOM: No, but I like John McCain...HE should have been President, instead of Bush. ME:  What makes you think that?MOM: I like McCain...and I HATE Bush. ME: But...what do you know about McCain that makes you think HE should be President? MOM: He's FAIR, He's HONEST, He's.... ME: Wait a minute...HOW do you know this stuff?...WHAT do you know about McCain? MOM: I know George Bush was APPOINTED President, by a judge. ME: Umm...No, Mom, He wasnt...He won the Electoral College, and the Supreme Court stopped the Gore campaign from trying to steal the election. The Republicans followed the Constitution, the Democrats tried to throw it away. MOM: NO!...He didnt win Florida. ME: You REALLY have NO IDEA how it actually works...Do you? MOM: I know that Bush is just for the RICH. ME: And, HOW exactly do you know THAT? MOM: Because Republicans are ALL for the rich people...they ALWAYS have been. ME: What facts can you back that up with? MOM: Republicans have ALWAYS been for the rich. ME: You didnt answer my question...give me some examples. MOM: They just ARE!...Republicans have ALWAYS been for the rich. ME: Again...Give me some reasons...You cant POSSIBLY feel THAT strongly about something, without knowing WHY you feel that way. MOM: Republicans only care about the RICH. ME: That statement means NOTHING, unless you can show me some evidence.... You know what I think?...I think you were BROUGHT UP thinking that, and you dont even know why. You are just a parrot, repeating the meaningless blather you have heard over the years, without even knowing what you are talking about. MOM: Yeah RIGHT!...Just LOOK how rich George Bush, and Cheney are...They only care about the rich. ME: DO YOU REALIZE HOW FREAKING RICH JOHN KERRY, AND EDWARDS ARE!!? MOM: We didnt have a deficit like this 4 years ago...We had a surplus. ME: You dont even know what any of that means...We had a PROJECTED surplus, based on the DotCom bubble, which fell through. But, you have no clue what the DotCom bubble was anyway...so it doesnt matter. And, by the way...when was the last time they sent you a bill for the deficit?...Is it due next week? MOM: Well...there is NO WAY IN HELL, I am voting for Bush. ME: Oh, I know...But, you STILL cant tell me WHY...You are an un-informed voter...very sad. |
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Posted: 8/31/2004 3:57:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2004 3:58:26 PM EDT
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How old is she? (if you don't mind) She seems to have issues with compreshension and is a little psychotic. By your account she repeated the same thing around 6 times, with the goal of influencing you, even after you told her you wanted a different answer.
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Posted: 8/31/2004 4:01:25 PM EDT
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Yep, I'm from a small PA coal mining town too and I know that line of reasoning to a "T".
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Posted: 8/31/2004 4:02:49 PM EDT
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LOL...no, there is nothing wrong with her...she has just been a brainwashed Democrat, for all of her life. You wont find many Democrats who can come up with any better answers (the conversation was abridged) |
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Posted: 8/31/2004 4:03:13 PM EDT
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Has nothing to do with age. Thats just the thought process of a liberal. I deal with a few every day at work. Exactly the same pattern
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Posted: 8/31/2004 4:03:59 PM EDT
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That sounds JUST LIKE my mom!
She would vote for Satans miscarried two headed child if the democrats put the damn thing up as a candidate. And she would give the same word for word argument as your mom! |
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Posted: 8/31/2004 4:04:16 PM EDT
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No, that makes her a DEMOCRAT!!!  Bet you won't be getting any invites for Sunday dinner anytime soon! My maternal grandparents, God rest their souls, were 2 of the best people I've ever known. I wouldn't be where I'm at today without them. But if there is a "silver lining" to their passing it's 2 votes that won't go Democrap! "Democrats are for the working man" I can still here Grandpa saying. If friggin' Stalin ran as a Democrat they would've voted for him. Of course I'm originally from the Youngstown, Ohio, area---the same place that sent that idiot Jim Traficant to Congress for 18 years (that is until the federal penal system intervened). |
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Posted: 8/31/2004 4:45:32 PM EDT
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I rest my case. |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 12:21:10 AM EDT
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Liberals don't use logic; they are driven by emotion. Simple analysis of the above exchange makes this clear.
However, once you understand this, it is actually pretty easy to use it against them and undermine their convictions. But, in order to do this, you must present your points FROM AN EMOTIONAL POINT OF VIEW. And, it seems that most conservatives either can't or won't do this. But if you can, it's amazing how fast you can turn them around. I start with an empathetic comment about how unfortunate it is that they've been conned, when they were really just trying to do the right thing. I don't even mention what I'm specifically talking about, but liberals simply cannot help responding to the "trying to do the right thing" issue. Then I take a single topic, like the economy or the war or whatever, and I explain how their guy told them the "right way" to do something, and that of COURSE they trusted it, as they were only trying to do the right thing. Then I explain the actual consequences of such a policy or decision, making specific points in how it hurts the little guy. (NEVER start with how the liberal is affected; they never believe they will be impacted by anything, but they are all about this imagined "little guy" who is constantly wronged.) End with another sympathetic nod about how you KNOW they were just trying to do the right thing, and how sad it was that they were deceived, and ended up hurting the folks that they were trying to help. THIS WILL DRIVE THEM NUTS, and they will want to know what they can do to fix it. In almost every case, they will ask you for advice, because they really have no solid foundation to form their own opinion. But don't press your luck here; you'll need to repeat this conversation (with slight changes to make it seem new and spontaneous) several times to hit all of the major issues. Each time, explain to them how they were lied to (through no fault of their own, because they were trying to do the right thing!), and that they need to make sure they have a full analysis of the outcome of their decisions and the issues they support, or they risk hurting "the little guy". You will soon create so much doubt and confusion that they will actually seek you out so that you can help them resolve this conflict, and THEY WILL LISTEN TO YOU, and for perhaps the first time in their lives, they will THINK. At this point, you have full control, and you can slowly ease them into conservative/liberatiran thinking. -Troy |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 12:37:21 AM EDT
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I currently still live with my parents and had a conversation similar to that with my mother about gun issues. I asked her what she thought of the 2nd amendment and whether she thought gun ownership was a privilege and she said yes it's a priviledge not a right. She knows I've been very active in the gun community and she does not like it one iota of a bit. She thinks every person who is in the gun community is an extremist wacko out to kill somebody. She then went on ranting about how the FBI is going to come grab me and throw me in jail for liking guns and what not. She said that i'm on my way to become a militant extremist. My parents are republicans, my dad doesn't care about the gun issue, he's fine with some guns but he still doesn't think people "need"(there's that stupid word again in a country that's suppose to be free) "assault weapons" and anything that looks bad, but at least he's somewhat lenient.
My mother on the otherhand grew up with 6 brothers and sisters all of whom are democrats and she is one of those people "blessed" with an irrational fear of guns. I thought this was quite humorous since she has a CHL here in houston. I think in her mind I'm still a silly little 12 year old who's very impressionable and is lost in his own little fantasy world. I think she's having a hard time acknowledging that i'm almost 23 years old now and working full time. One of my key issues in politics is the 2nd amendment more than anything else(not that I don't concern myself with other rights, I do.) and I don't think she likes it, she always gives me these wierd looks if I so much as say the word "gun." |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 12:40:56 AM EDT
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I quess Im lucky my parents are for Bush,
I have tried to convert someone who works with me but they think Iraq was a personal war by Bush and there seems to be no changing their mind. |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 12:42:14 AM EDT
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oh my parents are for bush, my mother just has a lot of that liberal-ism still in her. She's very much against people owning lots of guns, she doesn't think people should own more than 1(and we have over ten in the house) and she also believes almost everything she sees on the news.
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Posted: 9/1/2004 12:54:02 AM EDT
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My parents were both Republicans. My mom didn't like firearms and she wouldn't allow her children to have them in her house. My dad didn't care one way or the other. He was an ex-Marine. He did own a Mossberg .22, but it had been in storage since he was a kid. I have a brother who is ex-Army Special Forces. He has a Ruger .22, but doesn't understand why civilians would need anything else. Especially an AR15. He's not really opposed, just doesn't understand. He makes joking comments about my "assault rifles" all the time. I'm sure he thinks I'm a wanna-be soldier or something. My other brother is a Democrat. He doesn't own guns, but he has yet to make an anti-gun statement around me. In fact, he has made a few somewhat supportive comments about my hobby. I have 2 sisters, but I really don't know their opinions on guns.
After my mom died, I convinced my dad to get out his Mossberg, clean it up and go shooting with me. Soon after, he bought a Glock 26. If you ask my dad why he has guns, he will say, "So I can shoot someone if I need to."  He's a smartass. I agree completely with him.
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Posted: 9/1/2004 12:56:51 AM EDT
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You a dumbass for arguing with your mother.
You're right.....but you're still a dumbass. SGatr15 
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Posted: 9/1/2004 1:15:37 AM EDT
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whatever, sarge
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Posted: 9/1/2004 6:44:51 AM EDT
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You can tell her that if she is correct and the republicans are for the rich, then in order for the republicans to gain power, they must increase their support base. if they are for the rich, then increasing their support base would meen making more people rich.
If the democrats are for the poor, then increasing their support base would meen making more people poor. So by being a democrat, she is saying that more people should be poor.  ktm500 |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 7:22:21 AM EDT
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Republicans ARE for the rich. Rich, successful professionals, and those who wish to be rich and successful, are the backbone of the Republican party. The poor and impoverished have always been the backbone of the Democratic party.
Each party has a VESTED interest in enlarging their voting block. This statement right here is your key point that you want to make sure your opponent aggrees with. The Republicans want to see you rich and successful, and the Democrats want to see you poor and impoverished - and dependant upon them. Why would you vote for somebody who wants to see you worse off? |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 7:23:23 AM EDT
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If I had not been interrupted in the middle of the post, I could have beaten ktm
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Posted: 9/1/2004 7:24:14 AM EDT
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ditch her and find a new mom
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Posted: 9/1/2004 7:24:51 AM EDT
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Based on that irrational stuff your mom said, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and guess......
she's a woman, isn't she?
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Posted: 9/1/2004 7:30:21 AM EDT
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Liberals are the mommies and conservatives are the daddies.
The mommy (liberal) says " you can be anything that your sweet little heart desires." The daddy (conservative) says "It is great that you have dreams, but if you just sit around and dont work for those dreams, you are going to starve." ktm500 |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 7:31:14 AM EDT
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What does your dad say?
When your mom is not around. ktm500 This was not meant to be a dig at your dad, just an acknowlegement that you may think that he is a liberal, only because he has long ago given up trying to speak about the subject reasonably with your mom around to hear. He has to live with her , so why make waves? |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 8:27:22 AM EDT
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Old people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Old liberals should be deported to Europe so they can spend their last years living under Socialism. Before they croak, they MIGHT realize how stupid they've been. CKMorley |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 8:32:34 AM EDT
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Airwolf, a bit off topic, but who is the chick in your avatar pic???
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Posted: 9/1/2004 8:34:16 AM EDT
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I had the very same conversation except with my DAD. He thinks GWB is terrible. No reason or facts, thinks he has beady eyes. ? WTF? Mom on the other hand is dyed in the wool conservative. Loves GWB.
Go figure. |
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Posted: 9/1/2004 8:58:56 AM EDT
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I once attended a lavish dinner celebration for a Republican candidate. Filet mignon, finest wine and spirits, a top-notch orchestra, excellent cigars available to those who wanted them . . . it must have cost hundreds per person to put this thing on. Everyone was dressed to the nines in thousand-dollar suits and dresses and beautiful jewelry. The keynote speaker spoke of the differences between us and the Democrats with perfect concision. Looking around at the opulent scene, he said "The difference between us and our oppsition is this: the Democrats believe that nobody should live like this. We Republicans believe that EVERYONE should live like this." The crowd roared. It was one of those moments that made me proud to be a Republican. |
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