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Posted: 8/31/2004 11:23:06 AM EDT
I am getting ready for the 14th. I have a screw on bayonet lug and a RRA 6-pos stock ready to install on each AR in turn.
I have already removed the stock and buffer tube from one of my lowers, and I am ready to go at midnight +1. Q1. The stock did not come with instructions, and my time in the Corps was prior to the M4s. How does the funny looking fat plate go on? Dimple towards the grip or away? Q2. How do I make sure the tube is correctly aligned up and down? Q3. Are there any precautions I need to take? (oil threads, oil the tube?) Q4. How tight does the nut go? Q5. I assume that the order is first the nut, then the plate, then screw in the tube most of the way, then install the buffer pin and hold while screwing, then align the tube, then align the plate and screw the nut. Is this correct? I intend to assemble the first lower, rotate all the uppers on it with the screw-on lug, and then assemble the second lower and do the same. How are you guys planning to prove pre-next ban status? I intend to do pictures with a newspaper. I am debating an affidavit by another local attorney. |
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I don't believe it's come to this. |
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I know some are going to take notarized time-stamped photos. |
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I'll probably have a Rabbi thread my barrel, and take an add out in the local paper with me and my rifles pictured together.
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I'm not the next ban(if there is one) will have to grandfather all the guns up to the day the new ban(again if there is one) takes effect, as they won't ban and confiscate any of those guns, it would be as they say political suicide. |
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Fixed it for you! |
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Take pics, mail it to yourself and do not open. If there is ever a problem, you can open in it court and show the court the postmark.
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Its pretty sad when people are that fearful of there government...
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Won't work. Postmark an empty envelope. Not that it matters. The lower is serial numbered! I doubt that there will be any procecutions for you having a phantom on your 2002 Bushmaster after the 13th. |
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well no one wants to go to jail, do you? |
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Bottom of this page; ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower/ |
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Im not planning to try to prove shit...
PS - this is NOT a rant at Happyshooter, I just get annoyed when I am expected to bend over for authority..... First of all, there is no "new" ban....just one old dying one.... and second, when and if a new one is enacted, let the fkn government "prove" that I assembled my rifle at any time other than when I said I did. I realize that a law is a law...and thus far I have abided by the AWB...but after it sunsets I am putting on my telestock and not looking back. If a time comes later when someone asks about it, they will just have to take my credit card reciept as proof.....and the many pics of me at the range. |
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I don't care who y'are, that there is funny! |
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Put the address on the 'back' of the envelope. Put the postmark over the sealed flap. |
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Thanks, that still leaves my first four questions unanswered. (I looked at that page before, and that's where I got the order in question five that I was wondering was correct) |
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there has yet to be a conviction under the original 94ban and you guys are that worried about some non-existant future ban?
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my preban has been to so many ranges and even on my shoulder while i talked to a game warden... no one ever has asked if it preban or not...
Government like fire is a useful servant but a fearful master. |
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I am just going to do what the MILLIONS of guys did in 1994 to prove the pre-ban status or their weapons...........NOTHING! |
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Q1: Dimple goes towards the muzzle. It fits inside the corresponding hole in the backside of the lower receiver. Q2. If you look at the plate, there's a small piece of metal sticking up. It rides inside the groove on the bottom of the buffer tube. Q3: Use Moly paste on the buffer tube threads. I also use removable Locktite on the castle nut. Q4: Tight, but not too tight. :) You did get the M4 stock wrench, right? Q5: I did it like this: 1. Screw nut onto buffer tube. Place plate on the end of the tube. 2. Put small amount of moly paste around the threads of the buffer tube, and begin to screw it into the receiver. 3. Place the takedown pin spring inthe hole that the plate covers. Continue to screw the buffer tube into the receiver. 4. Put the buffer detent and detent spring in their hole, screw the buffer tube so it covers up approx 1/3 to 1/2 of the detent. (enough to keep it retained in the hole) 5. Still holding the plate on the back, screw the castle nut forward.. 6. Put some locktite on the part of the buffer tube threads that the nut will cover. 7. Screw the nut snugly over the threads with the stock wrench. 8. Cock hammer back and push the buffer and buffer spring into the buffer tube. 9. Done. |
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If sKerry wins, you won't need to the next ban will likely prohibit Barrels too, so post bans will stand out |
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CHRIST! Thank God there's a few rational posts on this Moronic thread! I was starting to lose faith. |
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+2 Pretty silly trying to comply with a ban that doesn't exist. Plus I can always have them ask MarkM. he will verify everything. |
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Registered Mail course, I am not gonna do jack shit. Innocent until PROVEN guilty, baby! |
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Some are of the opinion that 'preban' status is in the nature of an affirmative defense; in other words, you have to prove that it is preban by a preponderance of the evidence. But of course this this new ban is theoretical only at this point. |
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Kerry is in favor of a new ban. Bush II is in favor of a new ban. The deomcrat party is in favor of a new ban, the senate (GOP and Dem both) is in favor of a new ban. The only thing that saved us is the house. If we lose 12 seats (by we I mean pro-freedom lovers, not GOP) we will get a new ban. If there is a terror attack during the election cycle we will get a new ban. |
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I'm hiring Janet Reno and Diane Feinschwein to do my work.......time/date stamp photo and video documentation by a witch doctor
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Do you honestly believe that a new ban would be for cosmetics only things like collapsible stock, baynet lugs and flash suppressors again do you? I believe they will try to ban 'military' style firearms that use 'military/NATO' calibers myself. I don't think they'll just re-write what they did in 1994. |
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WTH is a "screw on bayonet lug"???? |
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It is a lug mounted on what looks like a solid version of a hose clamp. It screws around the barrel for the sole purpose of 'attaching' the lug to the barrel. It looks like crap in my hand, I think it will look stupid on the gun, but it cheaply meets my goal of having a pre-next ban rifle on the 14th. |
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Wait until the 14th.
Then: Q1. The stock did not come with instructions, and my time in the Corps was prior to the M4s. How does the funny looking fat plate go on? Dimple towards the grip or away? A1. The dimpled side goes toward the receiver. Q2. How do I make sure the tube is correctly aligned up and down? A2. Install and hold down the buffer retainer. Screw the tube in until it covers part of the retainer, and almost touches, but does not drag on the tit of the buffer retainer. Eyeball it to make sure the tube with stock is inline vertically with the receiver. Q3. Are there any precautions I need to take? (oil threads, oil the tube?) A3. USE NO OIL OR GREASE on the threads of the receiver or tube. DO oil the buffer retainer. Once you see how far to screw in the tube (as per A2 above) back off tube 4 or 5 turns, put one drop of SERVICE REMOVABLE (blue or purple) Locktite on the threads of the tube, not inside the receiver (or it may get in the detent). Screw tube back in as per A2 above. Q4. How tight does the nut go? A4. Now install the takedown pin, the detent, and spring, push the plate forward to compress the spring, being careful not to kink or crimp the spring. Put a drop of Locktite (blue or purple as per above) on the threads of the tube, and spin the locknut up. Tighten well by hand. The Locktite will do the rest. You don't need to "stake" the nut. Q5. I assume that the order is first the nut, then the plate, then screw in the tube most of the way, then install the buffer pin and hold while screwing, then align the tube, then align the plate and screw the nut. Is this correct? A5. The tube comes to you with the plate on the tube, held on by the nut. This is for shipping purposes so the plate is not lost. The plate goes against the receiver, then the nut holds the plate in place and locks the tube. "How are you guys planning to prove pre-next ban status? I intend to do pictures with a newspaper. I am debating an affidavit by another local attorney" I intend to do nothing else. There will be NO AWB LAW to have to comply with after the 13th. You don't have to prove compliance or date or whatever with a non-existant law. |
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Why locktite? The reciever end plate and nut keeps the CAR reciever extension from loosening. I use a little moly grease on carbines I've built and have never had one come loose. |
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If and when the ban sunsets, that will be it. No ban, no rules. What ever you have will be eligible to put the evil features on. If they manage somehow to ram an AWB renewal through the house and senate and get it to the president in 5 days, it'll be like it was. If not, they will try to get a new bill through. It'll either be just like the old one, in which case serial numbers will decide pre and post ban, or a totally new bill with new restrictions and possibly confiscations. Time stamp pictures will be a waste of time. You are giving the ATF a lot more credit than they deserve. Fineswine said that no one was charged with violation of the AWB in its entire history. I'm sure that some were charged with violations after they were already arrested for something more serious. Some people have the idea that ATF agents will be everywhere measuring barrels, checking serial numbers, checking welds on flash hiders and taking wood samples for DNA to determine if the wood was harvested here or in a foreign country. I think they have better things to do. As it sits right now, I'm counting on the house to put an end to this nonsense so we can concern ourselves with more important matters. I believe that if a new bill goes through, serial numbers won't matter because they'll be coming after them. It also looks to me like they will have the 13th to work on a new bill, as it's the last day of the 10-year period. We'll see.
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Well said! |
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gotm4: "Why locktite? The receiver end plate and nut keeps the CAR reciever extension from loosening. I use a little moly grease on carbines I've built and have never had one come loose."
A blow to the side of the but can unscrew the tube and nut. No grease, because Locktite will not stick to grease and oil. |
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Quote? Link? I know a lot has ben made about his apparent (won't argue the point again here because it has been ) support of the current AWB, but where/when did GWB say anything in support of a "new ban." Please understand: I'm not saying I'm 100% sure it hasn't happened, but I am completely unaware of it and understandably skeptical until I see a source. |
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All my receiver end plates have a 3/8" or so concave part that goes into a hole machined into the receiver near the selector spring and detent below the threaded part of the receiver (for the extension) I don't see how the receiver extension could spin past this point without the nut being VERY loose, if the nut were that loose your selector would no longer work because there would be no spring and detent pressure on it. I've assembled about 30 or so lowers with CAR stocks for me and other people since 1987 and have yet to have one loosen on its own while using moly grease on the threads and not staking them. Possible I guess just not probable. If you grease the extension and torque the CAR stock nut to the TM specs of 40 in lbs it'll stay tight. It's on page 200. |
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I would still like an answer to my legitimate question above. No flame, I just want to know if you were exaggerating for effect or if you know of some comment from the President (about which I am unaware) regarding a second/new AWB. Nothing personal - it just needs clarification IMHO. ETA: The two old articles below have been here on Arfcom, and most here will acknowledge that it is at least possible that the Bush camp was "playing politics" with that comment. (Your second article even suggests that.) Regardless, unless I am mistaken both articles refer to renewal of the existing AWB - neither one mentions a new AWB, nor does either one support in any way your assertion above regarding the President's support of a new AWB after this one "sunsets." |
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Okay, looks like this one is going to be tight. The libs are pulling all the stops out. We may only have a day or two to de-clinton our guns.
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