So Kerry had a few spots in which the point is made that more Americans are without Health Care now than ever before.

Many of the 527 ads attacking President Bush echo similar 'charges'.

Liberal Editorials are also using this as a club to beat President Bush.



Why, for all that is Holy, is there even this question? Is there some element to the make-up of the United States that promises Federally funded health care, in any form? I understand the cases made for welfare, medicare and medicaid...I don't always agree with them, I just understand them.

But what makes these idots think they can vote in socialized medicine!?!?!?!


Does none of these Liberal Idiots remember the debacle of Health Care Reform 1.0, the Hillary Years? Even with their revered leader at the helm, no serious progress was made. And now that Hillary isa Sophomore Senator, she STILL sees Unversal Health Care as the loser issue it is, evidenced by her not sposoring, co-sponsoring, or even helping to author a newer version of it while a Senator. Pretty easy to run amok when you are just the First Lady and not subject to recall or being voted out of office! Now she sees what a problem Universal Health Care is and she is staying way away from anything resembling Socialised Medicine.

Here is my take why Socialised Medicine will not work in the US. Now, I am talking about true Socialised Medicine, across the board and not the wefare system we currently 'enjoy'. The main reason why it will not work in America is due to the citizens being spoiled beyond belief in the radical ease medical treatments are available here. Several years ago, Canada (socialised med) was compared to the US in the number of advanced imaging systems (CAT scans, MRI's etc) and at the time, there were something like 10 or so of these units in all of Canada, while Albuquerque, NM had 11 units and two of them were mobile and were sent throughout the state. This report went on to state that the waiting time for a routine MRI exam was 6 months or so. Americans will simply not wait 6 months for an MRI! Now they (the non-welfare Americans, the welfare saps don't count) will tell you that the idea of 'free' medical care is A-OK with them, until you mention the reduction in services and the dramatically increased tax fund needed to pay for all of these continued services.

Bottom Line, would you want to give up your BC/BS or whomever you have in return for increased taxes and lowered quality/quantity of services?

Next Bottom Line, would you want yourself or your family receiving care from a Dr. that jsut recently took a 100-150% paycut? Seriously, payment for professional services is an area that the "Soicalised Medicine Countries' identified as waste and that waste was promptly cut out of budgets. Some bean-counter in a .gov office somewhere gets to make the decision whether you son's surgery is needed and also how much your local Dr. can charge, not a good idea.

Because just like windshields, the cost is based on insurance paying most of it.

If you are a dealer, you can get 83% off windshields, they are priced that way because states make people fix nicked windshields, and insurance is almost always paying for them.  So a "$1300 Windshield" is actually under $200, the rest is profit.

Apply same theory to health care and how much an X-Ray costs, etc. etc.   I am not saying there is an 80% markup, but it is a tad inflated.  

I think this is why people think insurance is "required", because paying out of pocket drives one poor quickly.  

Buncha moochers looking for a handout.  Simple.

Quoted: Little history lesson: During WWII wage freezes were in affect.  Companies that needed workers had to add other incentives.  Health care was one. Never went away and Unions have used it as such a bargaining chip that it now appears as a "right." Most un-insured Americans choose to be un-insured because they're young students or young professionals who don't have it rolled into their job package.  It's a choice, more money or coverage.  They choose more money.  Odds are, they're right. Guilty rich liberals and their patsies.

Bingo! Nixon put a wage freeze into effect also IIRC which made things even worse.

Quoted: It's kind of simple, actually. Many people in this country today do not understand the constitution of the United States which clearly specifies what "rights" we have as Americans. These people confuse entitlements and priveledges with "rights". How many times have we seen one of our pathetic excuses of a network news outlet giving airtime to one of these Bozos as they claim that their "constitutional rights" have been violated because they've been denied welfare, health care, medicaid, or some other entitlement that was established by the left leaning Democrat congresses of the past? The population is becoming less educated, and more ignorant by the day. And these idiots are all allowed to vote, because that is one of their "rights". Too bad "responsibility for one's actions" wasn't a requirement for the exercise of that "right".

Interestingly enough, this is happening when the ability to access whatever information you need to is at a unprecedented high.
The more you can learn, the less you do learn.

No matter how you feel on this topic one way or the other, the medical industry is out of control and spiraling to a massive failure.

As a nation we are quickly becoming the nation of only the very rich or the very poor will get health care while more and more of the middle class go without while paying the bills.

Insurance companies seem to be the only business I know guranteed to make a profit as they not only deny coverage but control treatments.  You can't deny the games doctors and patients must now play to get the simplest procedure approved. The medical industry quotes one price knowing they will have to settle for another.  It's a pyramid scheme waiting to fail.  

More and more dollars are spent on coverage adminstration as health cost sky rocket as a result while the improvement of health care quality doesn't keep pace with the cost.  One of the fastest growing businesses in this country is discount hospitalization which is nothing more than an administration service doing the same thing as an insurance company, controlling costs/setting prices, for those who can't afford insurance.  If you do the math $100 a month for the service or $1,200 for the insurance and play the odds.  You're actually better off without insurance.  It's insane.

Doctors now hire professional adminstrators to work with the insurance administrators for if they didn't they'd have no time for patients.  This too adds to the cost.

Liability insurance sucks the profits form doctors and hospitals while lawyers sue to their hearts content.

Doctors become more and more frustrated and quit thier chosen profession daily.

Here's reality guys and no bullshit.........a guy who works for a living and has insurance goes into the hospital with a catastropic illness, he will most certainly be shown the door before someone on medicade.  Branded with an illness on the ban list and you are forced to work for others the rest of your life.  HIPPA is a fucking joke and the insurance companies find ways around it almost every time.  

What's more important than your health?  If you believe nothing, I sincerely believe unless rich you are better off being dirt poor and play the damn system.

It's out of control both from the left and the right and GOD I WISH I HAD AN ANSWER but I don't.

Problem is no one else does either so why shouldn’t the Democrats promise to fix what can’t be fixed.  The impossible is their thing.

Tj

Quoted: Little history lesson: During WWII wage freezes were in affect.  Companies that needed workers had to add other incentives.  Health care was one. Never went away and Unions have used it as such a bargaining chip that it now appears as a "right." Most un-insured Americans choose to be un-insured because they're young students or young professionals who don't have it rolled into their job package.  It's a choice, more money or coverage.  They choose more money.  Odds are, they're right. Guilty rich liberals and their patsies.

I think most uninsured americans either work lower paying, non union jobs or for small businesses that can't afford to provide health covereage, that students/young professionals stuff sound like hooey.

Bush is actually campaigning to make changes to current law to allow small businesses to pool together to be able to obtain some of the cost savings that big companies get on health insurance.

I've only had one secretary who was single and needed health insurance through me (v. coverage through a spousal splan) her health insurance was equal to my paying her one extra week every month.