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Posted: 8/26/2004 9:36:49 PM EDT
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Although a Sailor instead of a Marine, this gets a big OORRAAHH! from me. Tell it like it is, Ollie.
Mac, I keep hearing about Kerry in Cambodia, but have never really read or heard the alleged details. Enlighten me, please. |
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Wow. Powerful. His campaign is unraveling like a cheap suit. Thank God.
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John Kerry will slam Oliver North on his ass!
No doubt this one will go unanswered. Kerry is fucked! HS1 |
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Of course this will get about as much prime time play as a rerun of the Gong Show.
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Whoa. Just that, I can't understand how ANYONE could THINK of voting for this guy. Whoa..... |
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Beautifully, powerfully written – I wouldn’t have said North was that articulate.
The power of brevity:
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Hell of a letter!
No B.S just facts and common sense. I am sending this letter to everyone I know. |
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If I may answer: Kerry claimed on the Senate floor that he remembered being inside Cambodia during Christmas, 1968, listening to president Nixon on the radio claiming there were no American troops in Cambodia. He claimed this was “seared, seared” into his mind. Turns out he almost certainly wasn’t in Cambodia until later, plus Nixon wasn’t President in 1968. |
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Does he claim that they took a Swift boat up the Mekong into Cambodia? The reason I ask is that I don't believe the Swift boats went that far up the Mekong, as that was the domain of the PBRs. |
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PLEASE tell me this is an ACTUAL letter written by Ollie North and not something I will read on SNOPES.COM and the word "FALSE" next to it.
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It's going to be "Dear John" letter of a different sort after Nov.!
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I don’t know if he was in a Swift boat at the time, but apparently he did enter Cambodia at some point (I believe to transport weapons to friendlies). |
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My reaction also. Still, this looks like a legit site (the link to North’s article is in the “Spotlight on Today’s Opinion” column). www.townhall.com/ I really hope this gets picked up by Fox. |
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Saw him on Hannity and Colmes last night saying the exact same thing. You won't find it on snopes. |
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Just being cautious... I got burned too many times with false hopes of people with clout not taking the high road. This is good.... VERY good. |
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Damn good read, thank you.
I will be showing this to as many people as I can. |
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And yet, they will. |
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You won't change the mind of the liberals. If I showed this to a liberal guy, he would just say,"What? That low life Iran-Contra criminal Olie North dared to bad mouth Kerry? Olie North also LIED under oath during senate. Olie North is a CRIMINAL".
Then what would I say to that? |
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Haven't you forgotten? It is "ME, NOW" that matters. Not the past, not the future, just do what makes me and my friends happy, and if we run out of money, take more from those guys with it! -- (and I am broke) -- Edited to add: The line between "female logic" or a very young child and the mindset of a liberal is very very fuzzy, merging in many places.... |
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You can remind said liberal that the Iran-Contra affair was an attempt to straighten out the mess that Carter left behind in Iran. |
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Absolutely stellar piece...
The left will forever despise Ollie... I've met him briefly and he is extremely pleasant. Reading his stuff is even more enjoyable. - BUCC_Guy |
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As I remember it. Olie did not lie, he plead the fifth and refused to speak. ktm500 |
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I know he used his 5th Amendment rights at least once.......I believe he has also pretty much come clean about his involvement..... |
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Oliver North is coming to campus this fall to speak.
When it was announced last spring, the campus liberals already started complaining. Its going to be almost as good as when Ann Colter came |
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I was kinda wondering myself.
There was another piece of work that proved to be a fake (per snopes).....otherwise, it was a good piece. Lots of questionable actions on JK's behalf |
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Thanks Mac. I sent that to a bunch of the socialist docs I work with.
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That ain't exactly true. In fact as much as I admire Reagan Iran-Contra was a backdoor deal to undermine Carter (who literally worked until the last hour to try and free Americans) and make Reagan look good. It was also a violation of Reagans "No Deals For Terrorists" stance. |
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As one who once contributed to Oliver North's Legal Defense Fund, (used to have an autographed picture of him that they sent me) there was a time when I felt the way of those who believe he's a "stand-up guy".
FWIW, he's not. John Caffey (IIRC Ollie's alias which he used during the Iran-Contra Gate era) was not a stand up guy. He set-up and oversaw the operation in Mena, Arkansas with Terry Reed and Barry Seals and was responsible for the blizzard of cocaine traffiking in this country during those years. This was the same operation moved to central Mexico and headed up by Terry Reed after things got too hot in Arkansas, seems small boys got waste 'cus they saw things they shouldn't have, among other deaths there..... As Mr. Reed put it in his book, "while attending a local party w/ politicos in Mexico he walked by a TV just in time to see the man he knew all those years as John stand up to tell the truth, the whole truth and nuthin but the truth......", Reed was so aghast he dropped his cocktail. This was when he found out his real name for the first time. He not only knew there were American POWs left in Vietnam but did nothing about getting them out, not that that's his fault as this was a government decision made not by him that I'm aware of but, among others another fella I love to hate, Henry Kissinger...... Ollie or John, did however provide a CIA contact in Thailand for Scott Barnes, a Bo Gritz associate, (both of which were subsequently discredited by those in government neck deep in the drug trade, some of which still hold government positions today) when they were attempting to verify/recover POWs and evidence back in 1981 and was neck deep in the covert arms and GoldenTriangle drug trade there too. Perot was trashed along the way and one could speculate they were all tarred with the same brush for the same reasons and Ollie knew the truth of these matters one can bet. He was responsible for the death, (in fact ordered it) of Barry Seals and had it blamed on Columbians. He ain't so squeeky clean as folks think. There's also a Kerry / North history here that more than a few here probably don't remember as Senator John Kerry in IIRC the summer of 1986 called for a "full-scale congressional investigation" and spoke publically of a "private network" run from the White House by Oliver North and others in the NSC. Seems the story went that Ollie with the help of a suspected CIA agent who got himself a favorably associated with Kerry's committee staff by pretending a desire to be helpful. While "helping out" seems he gained access to the senators files and then leaked a rumor that John Kerry allowed his researchers to accept donations/money from some public interest group allied with the Christic Institute. While it was later determined by an ethics committe to be a false allegation seems it put a crimp in his calling for his "full-scaled congressional investigation" until after the farce of the Iran-Contra hearing were long ended. All of this info can be verified by reading the following books: "Compromised", by Terry Reed "Barry and the Boys: The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History" by Daniel Hopsicker "Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own Pows in Vietnam" by Monika Jensen-Stevenson, William Stevenson "Drug War: Covert Money, Power & Policy" by Dan Russell These items are just the tip of the iceberg here folks as these criminals have been playing these games and covering up lies since long before I was gleem in my daddy's eye, most of 'em are still there, which is why people dis-trust their leadership and government so much. There's ample reason to. Hope this helps some, I'm certain it'll only PO others, Mike |
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Unfortunately they will use the "but Ollie lied in the Contra scandal!" tactic. If you don't want to see the light, you can come up with a bunch of excuses to "discount" a statement. I heard the argument again, YESTERDAY, which is saddening: "Well, he isn't Bush" |
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I'd ask him what the hell that has to do with the statements made by POWs about how John Kerry's Senate testimony was used to taunt them inside a North Vietnamese prison. |
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What are you talking about? Iran-Contra happened long after Carter left. It had nothing to do with the hostages that were already released. It was a way to secure funding for the Contras after Congress forbid US money from funding their activities. So they came up with a contorted arms sale that laundered the money essentially and funded the contras while complying with the law that no general funds be used to support the Contras. |
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Iran-Contra was the deal that freed American hostages in BEIRUT, not Iran. This was YEARS after the hostages were released from Iran. By then, Carter was a bad memory of a wet spot on the sheets of the mattress of time. The I-C deal was to sell Hawk missiles and parts to Iran, Iran gets the Beirut hostages freed, and the Reagan administration used the money to support the Contras. Muslims in Iran using US weapons to kill Muslims in Iraq, our hostages freed from Beirut, and the Contra's kicking the communists' asses in Nicaragua. I call that a win-win, all around. |
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You say: "Ollie North isn't running for President, John Kerry is." |
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EXACTLY. |
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Oliver North is pro-2nd & RKBA/anti-UN too. I quoted his article for my English paper.
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Ronald Reagan and George Bush used the American hostages, held by the Iranian government, as a political tool to win the 1980 election. Through the "Freedom of Public Information Act" and the Center for Constitutional Rights, we know the following: 1. Ronald Reagan, in 1979, sent George Bush, Richard Allen, and Donald Greg to two meetings, one in Paris France and one in Washington DC, to insure Carter was not re-elected. They negotiated with Manchari Gorbanifar (Iranian arms dealer), Bani Sadr (president of Iran and political puppet of the Kohmeni regime), Albert Hakim (arms dealer), and Hashem (diplomat of the Iranian government). Reagan's team promised that the US federal government would sell over one billion US dollars in American weapons to Iran if Iran would not release the American hostages until after the 1980 presidential election. 2. The reason Iran needed the weapons was to defend themselves from Iraq. Reagan sold Iran, with out the approval of United States Congress, military weapons to ensure he would be elected president of the United States, keep the campaign contarbutions from US oil companies flowing, and relieve his unfounded fear that the former Soviet Union was going to invade Iran and Iraq. |
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+1 |
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Allow me to do my best Clintonesque parsing:
1. Reagan did not "sell" arms before he became President. Talk is all they did. No money or arms were exchanged, just "gentlemen's agreements". 2. According to what you said Reagan did not promise arms in exchange for hostages, he promised arms in exchange for the TIMING of the hostage release. The hostages were going to be released. Getting the man who CAUSED them to be taken in the first place (Carter) out of office was a pre-emption of any further hostage taking. 3. When the enemy outnumbers you in Congress and the law is putting America in a weaker position, what could a President do? The consequences of Reagan NOT doing what he did are far more serious than what he did do. Consider it "civil disobedience". |
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Your post makes zero sense. In 1979, GB was NOT RR's running mate. They faced off a year later in the primaries. BTW, the kook theory that says GB negotiated the release of the hostages states that GB flew in a CIA A-12 (a one seat aircraft) to Spain to finalize the deal. The hopped back before anyone noticed. Also in 1979, Iran and Iraq weren't at war. They didn't go to war until 1980, and the war went poorly for Iraq in the beginning. It wasn't until the mid-80s Iran was in much need of arms and armament. That's when Iran-Contra was concocted to free the hostages in Beruit, not Iran. |
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