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Posted: 8/26/2004 1:36:47 PM EDT
Can't wait to get it! What a great touching movie that is. Even if you aren't a Christian or religious, it's pretty awesome to watch.
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8/31?
I didn't catch it at the theater. Will not miss it this time. |
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It will be one of the top selling DVDs ever. Churches are getting bulk pricing on these. Face it, it's quite cheap to make these. Only the very first one costs a ton of money.
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I know I'll be grabbing me one!
ETA: Actually, I'm going to wait until they release the "directors" version, with all the extras, "How we made it" stuff, etc. |
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What is awesome about this is that the left tried so hard to shut this movie down. It is the sixth highest grossing movie of all time so far, and that's without the huge DVD sales that will start racking up soon. Awesome!!!!!
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"THE PASSION": JESUS IN SUB-SPACE
I first encountered "traditionalist" Catholicism back in the 1970s. As a teen, I went shopping for religions, or at least tried to sample all the selections before retreating into generalized cynicism. One evening I found myself listening to a lecture given by a man I'll call Father Pierre, a fellow who seemed to believe in anything and everything -- bleeding communion wafers, Our Lady of Fatima, splinters of the True Cross, you name it. Everything, that is, except the legacy of the Vatican II conference, which had tried to drag the Catholic Church into the modern age. The modern age held no charms for Father Pierre. My attention drifted to the small aviary of young-ish ‘nuns' who flitted about the handsome Father Pierre, tending to his every need. "Oh, he's so spiritual this evening!" one cooed to the other. "Yes, yes," replied her sister. "So spiritual. Filled with power and spirit..." These gals were gushing. In more ways than one. They practically left snail trails on the carpet. (I was hardly surprised to discover, many years later, that accusations of ‘impropriety' swirled around Father Pierre.) Nothing ushers you into cynicism faster than a youthful encounter with the subterranean sexual underpinnings of extreme religiosity. Watching Mel Gibson's well-crafted but unmoving "The Passion of the Christ" reminded me of that long-ago evening. My initial fears that evangelicals would find this film a potent recruiting device have proven groundless. By exposing the psychopathology underlying his version of traditionalist Christianity, Gibson has made the worst possible argument for his faith. "The Passion" strips Jesus of his message, ignores (for the most part) both his humanity and his spirituality, and reduces him to a suffering cipher. In Gibson's hands, Jesus becomes the central figure in a work of blood-soaked homosexual pornography. This film is a two-hour-long BDSM session, with Jesus playing "bottom" for a Jerusalem teeming with ruthless gay Doms. I do not object to the level of violence. I object, in part, to the fact that violence is all this film has to offer, just as sex is all that a sex film has to offer. First and foremost, I object to a filmmaker so lacking in self-awareness that he cannot admit, either to his audience or to himself, the true motives underlying his obsessions. BDSM explores primeval areas of sexuality and self-worth, and many who feel drawn to the imagery of erotic torture can never acknowledge this attraction on a conscious level. Mel Gibson, obviously, doesn't have the courage to look into this mirror. However, as Father Pierre's ‘nuns' taught me, religion can offer an outlet for the repressed and unacknowledged side of one's sexuality. Those who've read about BDSM, or spoken to anyone involved with the lifestyle, will recognize the flagellation scene in "Passion" for what it is: A hyperbolized version of the sort of activity that thousands of men and women experience in makeshift "dungeons" across the world, sometimes even paying for the privilege. The punishment we see on screen has little to do with actual Roman justice; forget about the traditional 39 lashes administered by bored soldiers just doing their jobs. The soldiers onscreen here relish their duties with a flagrantly sexual glee. In most BDSM scenes, the flogging slowly increases in intensity. The session starts with the lighter instruments of torment, then proceeds to the heavier, more sanguinary implements. When the "bottom" has achieved an altered state of consciousness called "sub-space," the "Top" turns him over to administer flagellation on the more sensitive front side of his body. "The Passion" follows this time-honored sequence, differing from offerings of fetish pornographers only in the quantity of its bloodletting. The Roman flagrum, I've read, had small bits of metal or animal bone embedded into the tails. That's not good enough for Gibson, who provides huge meat hooks which dig deep into the flesh. What we see on screen is not just the record of a "normal" BDSM scene; this is a born masochist's vision of the ultimate in submission. Before the first time they administer the whip or the cane, Tops are admonished to keep all strikes between the shoulder blades, never hitting the sensitive sides of the abdomen. Many sadists, however, long for the forbidden, and the more extreme Tops dream about finding a bottom who consents to being flogged anywhere, even in the proscribed zones. Similarly, the most extreme bottoms take an odd pride in their lack of limitations. Once we understand this sexual dynamic, we can better understand why the flagellation in "Passion" builds to a climactic shot in which the flagrum cuts deep into the side of Jesus' flesh. The camera records this blow in clear, pornographic detail. Jesus reacts with an agony tinged with ecstasy. A few subs dreamily consider extending their suffering to its logical conclusion -- the final submission. The Gospel story has spawned many a necro-erotic vision; a few underground BDSM clubs have featured live crucifixions. These extreme sexual fantasies, founded on guilts and self-hatreds many share but few confess, may well be the hidden source for orthodox Christianity's barbaric theology of blood substitution and human sacrifice to appease a primitive deity. When Gibson's lifeless Jesus receives the spear in the side, resulting in a (Biblically justifiable) gusher of blood and liquid, a Roman soldier gets sprayed in the face. Anyone one who has ever watched an adult video will recognize this moment as the film's cum shot. Having spent himself on Golgotha, Gibson cannot bother with the entombment, the anointing, the garden encounter, the angels in the tomb or the other details of the Resurrection. The empty tomb doesn't arouse him. The Ascension bores him. Mary Magdalene? Pheh. She's so vanilla. Now we know why Gibson gave his film a title with an obvious double meaning. Now we know the reason for his well-known discomfort with homosexuality. Now we know why images of torture permeate so many of his films. Even Bill O'Reilly's recent television interview with the fidgety, manic Gibson inadvertently revealed this film-maker's pathological masochism. My cathode ray tube has hosted few images more obscene than that of Mel Gibson whining about the sufferings and persecutions he has undergone. In a world teeming with unfortunates beset by genuine poverty and oppression, this widely-loved, world-famous mega-millionaire has the audacity to claim HE is the one undergoing "persecution" -- simply because some people dared to criticize his movie. What stupefying audacity! Gibson carried this audacity to further heights when he spoke of loving his persecutors. In doing so, he displayed an obnoxious condescension -- but he also let us glimpse a carefully occulted truth. On a certain plane, he does indeed love his persecutors. Or rather: He loves the idea of being persecuted. Gibson has bragged about the fact that, on screen, his is the hand that drives the first nail. We are told that he made this gesture to emphasize his own sense of sin. Yes, Mel, we know. You've been a bad boy. You've been a VERY bad boy. -- Martin Cannon (This text, if unaltered, can be reproduced anywhere.) |
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Hollywood liberals (and liberals in general) hate it. Therefore, though I am not a big fan of Mel Gibson, I paid him his money and saw it at the theater. I don't get all the religious fervor. The movie was 2 hours of whipping ass on Jesus. In spite of my religious upbringing and Christian faith, that's about all I got out of it.
Regardless, I hope Mel makes a gazillion dollars off of this. Let their be whailing and lamentations throughout Hollywoodland. |
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Yup. But if it's cheap I may buy a copy to annoy a liberal and thank Mel for "The Patriot." Course he still kinda owes me for that "Signs" piece of fuckng shit. |
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I take pride in my faith, but the movie didn't do anything for me. Although it's important to understand how Jesus suffered and died for us, that's not why I choose to believe.. it's about His triumph over death and the promise of eternal life. I left the theatre depressed and a little nauseated, instead of encouraged and proud.
If I'm going to see that much blood in a movie, I'll take mine Resident Evil style, with HK's and boobs. |
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+1 Honestly, I think Passion has one of two effects on people. 1) reinforces an already strongly held belief in Christianity 2) drives away everyone else with its gore and by totally missing Christ's message and Signs was a pos. |
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Hardly.. in fact, I'm simply appreciating one of God's finest creations.. Milla BTW, nice quoting, Michael Moore |
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Mel put 25 million into a movie that hollywood said wouldn't make it.
Nobody wanted to distribute it because it wouldn't make it. Mel wasn't realy concerned if it would make. It was something he wanted to do. Guess what, 600 million bux in ticket sales later (and video sales are just starting), I think it made it. And Hollywood is sucking-up to Mel now. I'll bet he put over 500 million in his pocket and that wasn't even the intent. What does that tell you of the power of this film... |
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I saw it in the theatre, and loved it. I wept through the entire thing, so I don't think I could bring myself to watch it again. It is a movie I would highly recommend. Even if you are not Christian or Religious, it gives you a good understanding about those around you who are Christian.
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Clearly the writer of that "review" is into homoeriticism and homosexual torture. No normal person would see that.
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I saw this fine movie at the theater. It's a very powerful movie and it shows the pain and suffering our Savior went through to pay for our sins.
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I haven't seen it yet but will have a DVD copy of it Tuesday!
BigDozer66 |
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I felt the same way. I would rather watch "The Ten Commandments" with Mr. Heston. Gives me a more spiritual feeling. |
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I'd like to get it so I can watch it and The Ten Commandments. ............and Ben Hur, and The Gospel of Matthew (Bruce Marchiano), and King of Kings (Jeffrey Hunter), and.......... |
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Hexagonal,
Wasn't this Martin Cannon guy in the movie. I think I saw him, pasty-faced in a black cloak moving through the crowds. I'm certain it was him. Other than that, WOW!, what a movie. |
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Isn't it almost $30? I think that's a bit pricey...nothing like capitolizing on religious fanaticism...
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It's $15.87 at Wal-Mart here. Not that I plan on watching it...I hate sadistic movies and this seems like it might be the most sadistic ever made. |
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+100 This Agnostic cried like a Girl Scout who got cheated out of Cookie Money. It was horrible, and fantastic all at once. D. AZEX |
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Is this guy familiar with the psychological concept of "projection?" |
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I agree, but I'd like to politely point out that I said it first. |
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Indeed - I debated whether to quote you in agreement or quote the original "review." |
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