ATF's position on the sunset of the AWB

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ATF's position on the sunset of the AWB

Posted: 8/26/2004 9:56:39 AM EDT

A friend mentioned that the ATF is supporting the sunset, claiming that the law hasn't been effective and they have prosecuted virtually no cases under it.

He said that he heard about it on AR15.com and someone actually posted a letter/link/etc. supporting this.

Can anyone help me out and verify the ATF's position on this?

TIA,

Corey

PS If there's an actual letter on ATF letterhead, I'd love to see it.

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:02:46 AM EDT

[#1]

The ATF's position is moot.

They enforce laws, they don't make or repeal them. When the AWB goes away they will be able to devote more resources to higher priorities, like tracking down Snuffy Smith's still.

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:14:52 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
The ATF's position is moot.

They enforce laws, they don't make or repeal them. When the AWB goes away they will be able to devote more resources to higher priorities, like tracking down Snuffy Smith's still.

Perhaps someone should tell them that.

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:18:51 AM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
A friend mentioned that the ATF is supporting the sunset, claiming that the law hasn't been effective and they have prosecuted virtually no cases under it.

He said that he heard about it on AR15.com and someone actually posted a letter/link/etc. supporting this.

Can anyone help me out and verify the ATF's position on this?

TIA,

Corey

PS If there's an actual letter on ATF letterhead, I'd love to see it.

But all of the troll accounts keep saying they plan to enforce a law that doesn't exist anyway for weapons made between 1994 and 2004! Or that they will do some other stupid crap! What you said cannot be true!

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:20:14 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
The ATF's position is moot.

They enforce laws, they don't make or repeal them. When the AWB goes away they will be able to devote more resources to higher priorities, like tracking down Snuffy Smith's still.

I didn't ask if anyone gave a rats ass what their position was.

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:21:55 AM EDT

[#5]

I believe he is thinking of the U of Pennsylvania report that came out recenty (July 2004 pub. date) that stated it had no real effect on crime, as criminals mearly substituted other semiautos.

Here's a link to the document itself:
Document in question

Kharn

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:23:43 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Quoted:
The ATF's position is moot.

They enforce laws, they don't make or repeal them. When the AWB goes away they will be able to devote more resources to higher priorities, like tracking down Snuffy Smith's still.

I didn't ask if anyone gave a rats ass what their position was.

But he's right.....NOBODY should care in the least what the ATF's position here is. Not even you.

Edit: but I'll have to say you have a classy sigline there.

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:44:31 AM EDT

[#7]

Once the law is sunset the ATF will not be able to enforce it.

Therefore the ATFs position on it will have to be that its not there, because , well.... it's not there.

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:44:47 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
But he's right.....NOBODY should care in the least what the ATF's position here is. Not even you.

I'd didn't ask if you had sex with a dead person.

Now will someone answer the friggin question?

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:51:56 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
He said that he heard about it on AR15.com and someone actually posted a letter/link/etc. supporting this.

I actually remember hearing that here too but can't even come close to remembering from whom or what a link may be. I do know it's true though, heard it on the net and such....

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:55:28 AM EDT

[#10]

what the hell are assault pistols?

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:55:45 AM EDT

[#11]

You know to tell you the truth, I haven't met anyone other than the members on this board that obey the damn law. The ranges I visit are full of so called AWB bastard guns and when I find a true post ban it is either a newbie or ARFCOMER.

I gave up long ago trying to explain the damn stupid law to anyone nor have I seen or heard of a police officer in my area saying boo to anyone.

It was and is political horseshit and nothing else and to the ATF just another tack on if you really piss them off.

Tj

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:56:35 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Quoted:
But he's right.....NOBODY should care in the least what the ATF's position here is. Not even you.

I'd didn't ask if you had sex with a dead person.

"You should"

Posted: 8/26/2004 10:56:38 AM EDT

[#13]

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A friend mentioned that the ATF is supporting the sunset

I hope your friend is right. I know a lot of people who have been waiting over 70 years for the Bureau of ALCOHOL, tobacco and firarms to support the 21st Ammendment...........and they are getting THIRSTY!! I think they are being a little paranoid but as they say........... "Better safe than sorry".

Posted: 8/26/2004 11:00:52 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Quoted:
A friend mentioned that the ATF is supporting the sunset

I hope your friend is right. I know a lot of people who have been waiting over 70 years for the Bureau of ALCOHOL, tobacco and firarms to support the 21st Ammendment...........and they are getting THIRSTY!! I think they are being a little paranoid but as they say........... "Better safe than sorry".

Yes, but at what exact day and time did the 21st take effect? Was it different for different time zones?

As of 13 September, there will be no law for the BATFE to enforce. None.

Posted: 8/26/2004 11:31:04 AM EDT

[#15]

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Yes, but at what exact day and time did the 21st take effect? Was it different for different time zones?

Considering that the 18th ammendment was in effect during 4 leap years (1920, 24, 28, 31) that includes all years evenly divisible by 4, with the exception of centurial years that are not evenly divisible by 400 AND a National League team won the World Series in both the year of ratification and repeal......................It was safe to convert your near beer at 10:53:42 on December 5, 1933 except in Utah where it won't take effect until the year 2058.

Posted: 8/26/2004 12:11:14 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Yes, but at what exact day and time did the 21st take effect? Was it different for different time zones?

Considering that the 18th ammendment was in effect during 4 leap years (1920, 24, 28, 31) that includes all years evenly divisible by 4, with the exception of centurial years that are not evenly divisible by 400 AND a National League team won the World Series in both the year of ratification and repeal......................It was safe to convert your near beer at 10:53:42 on December 5, 1933 except in Utah where it won't take effect until the year 2058.

10:53:42 AM or PM? Which time zone? And here I thought you really knew what you were talking about. Poser.

Posted: 8/26/2004 12:16:44 PM EDT

[#17]

There are first hand account given by FFL's here that during "FFL training" or conferences, ATF Agents have said all is well.

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