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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:02:22 PM EDT
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Well Im going to buy some stuff, Im not going to go burn every cent I got though. I'll pickup some stuff I want and get more excess stuff later.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:04:06 PM EDT
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Simplify your life and just order a LE model AR15 ready to go.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:05:06 PM EDT
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You're not the only one. It doesn't really change anything in Cali.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:05:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:05:55 PM EDT
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... Heck yeah! Even got some preliminary work done last Saturday night with AZARFCOM members
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:06:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:07:25 PM EDT
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I have been needing one.. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:09:10 PM EDT
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Shhh don't tell anyone. It's a secret. 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:09:41 PM EDT
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Well Omega, I'd would be preparing, but I've been laid off since mid-May, so buying new toys is a low priority. Bummer.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:12:53 PM EDT
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WW has a nice assembly line going there. Nice Kennedy boxes, also.
Is that one receiver .308? In that pic with the 4 sitting there - the one on the right. Probably just my antique eyes... |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:13:26 PM EDT
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But other than the jubiliation of just being able to (kinda like going out bar-hopping on your 21st birthday) what's the rush? I'm not saying theres' anything wrong with it, but a lot of folks here seem to be thinking that we all gotta hurry up convert our post-bans to pre-ban configuration before the next ban OR ELSE! I just don't see the logic in that. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:17:13 PM EDT
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I'm stock piling M14 mags and AR mags.
Ben |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:19:23 PM EDT
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If I ever get back to work...
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:21:36 PM EDT
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Dear Lord, please keep ol' Sarah from viewing that horrible stuff. Home grown, garage terrorists, caught in the act of 'manufacturing' BIG, BLACK, Child-Killin', Bullet Hoses. She'd stroke on out for sure. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:22:00 PM EDT
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... consider this angle: John Kerry - President elect, November 2004 |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:29:15 PM EDT
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And if President Kerry signs a new ban, what will that do? Either grandfather in my current rifles which means there's no rush to make them "prebans" because they'll already be that. OR the new ban won't include a grandfather provision and that means our rifles are banned REGARDLESS of whether they have telestocks and FHs or not.
Again, where's the logic in rushing out to convert them immediately? I'm not arguing that there wont' be another ban or that kerry getting elected would be bad. But allour guns we have now will either be "prebans" or they'll all be banned completely(and in that case we're all screwed regardless of whether I have a telestock or not). |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:46:50 PM EDT
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I care! I care that the .gov will be ass raping us and using the Constitution for "protection"... But, just as long as YOU have YOURS, everything is peachy huh? And, just HOW are we screwed if there's no grandfather clause? |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:51:21 PM EDT
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Actually your gun would have to b e in pre-ban status in order for it to be grandfathered in |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 9:53:45 PM EDT
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This thread is only about the "why the rush to convert". It's not about how unconstitutional the ban is. We ALL know that already! The reason we're all screwed if there's no grandfather clause is that it won't matter if you got a telestock or not, it's gonna be banned and you'll be a lawbreaker anyway if there's no grandfather clause. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:04:29 PM EDT
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"Yep. I converted it on 9/13/04. So now (after the new ban passes) I'm just gonna buy a 6-stop telestock to "replace" the 4-stop telestock I bought back on 9/13."  And I aint gotta prove shit just like you all got no "proof" that you converted them on 9/13 at your 9/13/midnight garage party. And there ain't no way in hell that any LEO can prove that I didn't have my rifle in a "preban" configuration prior to any new ban. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:09:23 PM EDT
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Unfortunately for you, the poor wording of the ban would allow for seizure of your weapons for a period of time to determine whether or not they're "legal". |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:11:13 PM EDT
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Hey, you're a cop. I stand corrected. They won't take yours. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:18:21 PM EDT
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In the 6 years under Clinton and 4 years under Bush the antis were unable to pass one piece of gun control legislation. They couldn't even dispose of the 10 year sunset. Gun Control isn't even being mentioned in the presidential election.
Now, I might be dumb but there is going to be another ban passed because???? |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:25:56 PM EDT
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Cuz it has been 10 freaking long, very long years waiting for this day, that is why. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:28:35 PM EDT
[#25]
Jubiliation I understand.
So many folks talking like they need to hurry up and stock up on telestocks and FHs before the next ban comes makes no sense at all. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:35:31 PM EDT
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Yeah sure, we have a Republican House for at least two more years, so don't see a hurry in regards to getting rifles built to beat a ban. Plus, if there ever was to be a new one, who is to say it would have a grandfather clause? |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:48:39 PM EDT
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 I already covered all that. Sheesh. You really gotta come to class prepared next time. 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 11:09:44 PM EDT
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John, you're funnin' us, right? Any Kali postban is (poof) legally now a preban with a few nice parts. At least mine are! 
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Posted: 8/25/2004 3:36:49 AM EDT
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nice pics!!!!
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Posted: 8/25/2004 3:44:28 AM EDT
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For purposes of proof of pre-ban status, couldn't a person take his pre-ban configured rifles to a notary and have them documented as having all the evil features as of a given date? Just looking for a sure way to provide proof if needed.... Comments?
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Posted: 8/25/2004 3:49:34 AM EDT
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Staff a few receivers away with proof of purchase date. Screw this notary talk. The Feds will have to prove their case. If it gets to the point we have to prove our innocense, then it's time for the barricades.
I turn 50 next year. I have given enough ground. It's time to take a stand. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 3:51:31 AM EDT
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Sounds good - let me know how it turns out. I don't have time or money for a legal fight vs BATF. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 4:21:17 AM EDT
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I won't be rushing out to buy anything. I did, however, buy a few goodies several months ago. For now, they sit unassembled.
As far as notarizing or any bullshit like that, forget it. The weapons have serial numbers. They can just assume that all my rifles after 9/14/04 are evil ++.  If another ban does come along, my rifles will quickly be brought into "compliance". |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 4:52:17 AM EDT
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I don't understand the concern.
Pre-ban type uppers, barrels and parts are available right now and have been since the ban began. There was no law against buying or owning them, just about putting them on a post ban receiver. I don't know of anyone who doesn't already have a preban upper, tele stock etc ready to drop onto their soon-to-be no ban lower. Don't forget that the congress is still controlled by the republicans and they most likely will not pass any new gun legislation. I am sure it is just a matter of time before the tide changes back to a democRAT controlled house but big deal. Legislation can be watered down to the point that it really makes no difference. Other than the principle of the thing, the current ban did nothing to prevent us from having military type weapons. ARs, AKs, SKSs etc have been readily available and are cheap. I've had no problem finding hi-cap mags, flash hiders, pistol grips, threaded barrels etc. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 5:30:56 AM EDT
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"And if President Kerry signs a new ban, what will that do? Either grandfather in my current rifles..."
How can anyone make assumptions about a future law? What if a future law has no grandfathering provision, "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in."? And remember, the present, soon to be gone, AWB was passed only by ADDING the grandfather and sunset provisions. As originally written it was permanent and worse. I think we should work to see that no new legislation has these provisions, so that by the time it gets to the floor, it will be too offensive to pass. The legislators need to envision door to door fighting caused by such a bill. Blood would truly "flow in the streets". The bill is dead, gone, and there is no rush to get your stuff "grandfathered" for a future bill. On the other hand, I want my goodies on NOW. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 5:41:21 AM EDT
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I'd love to see them try and implement an ex-post-facto law. The worst thing they could do would be to make them NFA weapons, which could eventually lead to confiscation. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 5:47:00 AM EDT
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No. I bought mine 7 years ago when I got my first AR. |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 8:55:53 AM EDT
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Bumped because I'm still hoping someone can explain why they're in such a hurry to add evil features "before the next ban".
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Posted: 8/25/2004 9:28:58 AM EDT
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Cuz you can bet your ass, the next ban will be a total ban. The anti's will use our own argument that the current ban only covers cosmetic features to ban all black rifles. I will bet anyone 1000 bucks we see a total ban in the next 6 years. Strange that all these witty folks here have not brought up the ammo concern. These domestic terroists called Democrats are gonna tax your ammo to the point that any future gun ban won't matter. You should be buying ammo, not a telestock or M4 upper. It's going to reach the point that it won't matter what kind of gun you have. It will be a matter of making it go boom. Kinda like Mad Maxx. 
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Posted: 8/25/2004 9:38:51 AM EDT
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got mine (although I can only grope it at my FFL until you know when) .....Purebred Colt model LE6920...... from dealer on EE no less 
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Posted: 8/25/2004 10:30:36 AM EDT
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I think its the same reason people want to open Christmas presents early. Its the same reason people want to do exactly opposite of what they are directed to. Being bad is GOOD
Thats the best I can guess. I have no plans to purchase anything because of the ban or lack of |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 10:38:16 AM EDT
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It isn't being mentioned because both sides know it's a loser. BUT don't kid yourself: If JohnJohn wins the White House, gun control WILL be high on the agenda., and if he has a sympathetic Congress, there will be another more inclusive ans permanent ban. Leopards and Democraps cannot change their spots. SG |
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Posted: 8/25/2004 10:51:54 AM EDT
[#43]
Next ban will prolly put AWs on NFA registry and ban future manufacture.
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Posted: 8/25/2004 10:54:25 AM EDT
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As the gene pool weakens the dumocrats will try this for certain. |
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