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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:38:37 PM EDT
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I've always felt that the olympics are very flawed. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:39:15 PM EDT
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Sorry to say, that that Russian shoulda got something. This is why I don't think things like "diving", and "gymnastics" are real sports. It's too "up in the air". It relies on peoples opinions of things to determine a winner. I prefer sports where there are clear winners and losers. That being said, that freakin' Russian STILL kicked ass, and deserved a medal. I thought he did way better than the American guy. And no, I'm not gay. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:39:58 PM EDT
[#3]
Um....not live, at least. Fill us in?
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:41:58 PM EDT
[#4]
The Russian should have got GOLD. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:47:24 PM EDT
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Judges are using a Magic 8 Ball to score events. Crowd got pissed and brought the games to a stop. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:48:06 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:50:12 PM EDT
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LOL, okay, time to find a TV around here (my olympics coverage here in China consists of refreshing espn and watching the highlight reels in McDonalds). |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:50:55 PM EDT
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Female Romanian gymnast up on floor exercise now, I'd hit it...
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:52:27 PM EDT
[#9]
What channel?
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:56:11 PM EDT
[#10]
good. maybe this will make them pull the gymnastics from the olympics
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:57:06 PM EDT
[#11]
Not tonite. I'm watching BOB with my new Garand.
OK, so I'm a gun nut. Sue me. What happened? |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 8:03:59 PM EDT
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NBC. Over now but I think they replay it at 1am ET. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 8:07:01 PM EDT
[#13]
yup replay at 1
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Posted: 8/23/2004 8:10:21 PM EDT
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Here's the story...
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/special_packages/olympics/9476454.htm?1c Amid boos, gymnastics vaults into more controversy By MICHELLE KAUFMAN Miami Herald ATHENS - The Olympic men's gymnastics competition, already swirling in controversy, took a truly wild twist on Monday night when the high bar individual final was held up for 10 minutes as the crowd booed and jeered the judges for a score that kept Russian Alexei Nemov ("Sexy Alexei" to his fans) from winning a 13th Olympic medal. As it happened, the gymnast most affected by the Nemov lovefest was American Paul Hamm, who was distracted enough with the Koreans hotly contesting his all-around gold medal. Hamm followed Nemov in the bar rotation, and was unable to begin his routine because the crowd, egged on by a Russian coach waving his arms in the air, was so loud. Two judges wound up changing their scores - the Malaysian from 9.6 to 9.75 and the Canadian from 9.65 to 9.75 - and raising Nemov's score from 9.725 to 9.762, but it did not improve Nemov's standing. The Malaysian judge had raised his hand immediately upon seeing the scoreboard, indicating he had an error he wanted to fix. The Canadian followed suit. But the dissatisfied fans continued to vent. Hamm eventually asked Nemov to try to restore order, and Nemov obliged, stepping out on the platform and shushing the audience with his finger to his lips. It should be NOTED that Hamm did NOT ask Nemov to restore order, he did it of his own accord. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 11:29:39 PM EDT
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In a boxing match for bronze, AUS vs Turkey?, the turks appointed the officials and they gave the Turkish boxer BS points so he got the bronze. The crowd also jeered and booed the officials. Same thing happened in a different boxing match.
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Posted: 8/23/2004 11:31:33 PM EDT
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Did it used to be this bad?
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Posted: 8/24/2004 12:41:53 AM EDT
[#17]
Yes. Don't you remember the commie judges during the cold war?
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Posted: 8/24/2004 12:48:24 AM EDT
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No In only 22 |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 1:49:58 AM EDT
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Can I dissent? I think that the OVERALL exercise of the Italian was more clean from errors and he deserved the Gold Medal (Nemov had a step when landing that the Italian Igor Cassina didn't do...). But Nemov had fair chances to compete with the Italian and anyway HE SHOULD GET A MEDAL. Nemov was far superior than the japanese or the other guy... |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 5:27:32 AM EDT
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Actually the Italian (who was better than Hamm or the Japanese guy) should have came in at a close second. Even with the small step Nemovs skills were far more dynamic than anyone else. And I cannot imagine being an Olympic quality athlete and having to put up with the arbitrary nature of the judging that has been shown at these games. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 5:30:12 AM EDT
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Why do all male gymnasts talk like either their voices haven't changed or they prefer the company of men, if you know what I mean?
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Posted: 8/24/2004 5:37:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/24/2004 5:44:01 AM EDT
[#23]
It was about time. The judges were giving poor scores all night--too high or too low. The Russian won the Gold. No Question. Everyone there knew it including his fellow competitors. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 5:46:27 AM EDT
[#24]
Yup, and that was the HIGHLIGHT of this Olympics. The crowd FINALLY got fed up and had themselves a little Tea Party of sorts. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 5:58:33 AM EDT
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I figured we'd hear all about shooting during the day's highlights since the American had the gold until he crossfired on his last shot.
2 kinds of people in this world: those who have crossfired and those who will. I feel bad that this was his time. Dropped him right out of the medals. It is a good judging system though, points are points. Not like the subjective opinions of crooked judges. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 6:01:57 AM EDT
[#26]
I couldn't care less about the olympics.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 6:08:30 AM EDT
[#27]
I don't have cable and I can't get any channels on an antenna, so no I don't watch the Olympics. Not that I wouldn't but it just isn't enough to make me order cable.
I agree that I hate the stupid subjective scoring systems. Sports that have clear cut winners and losers are much more to my tastes. Sounds like that Russian should have won though. I'll have to watch it and see for myself. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 6:49:18 AM EDT
[#28]
Watched that the other night. From 1rst to 8th with one shot. 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:05:18 AM EDT
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it was a travesty.
the crowd knew it. the judges knew it. the other athletes knew it. if i were nemov, i would have requested a zero be given, rather than the bogus scores. two judges were quick to try and correct their errors. more were not. that said, the awarding of scores in many events are subjective. not every event can be exactly and repeatably quantified and the athletes have been aware of this since their first competitions. as the one fellow above stated, all we need do is look back to the cold war olympics to see the 'politics' of judging and the judges that were bought by russia and the united states. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:48:50 AM EDT
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How cool would it have been if after Hamm got scored HIGHER than Nemov, if the two of them just walked out and got a cheeseburger. Was a disgrace and in the end only made Hamm look bad. Nemov is a class act. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:55:58 AM EDT
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Can't wait until 2008, when we get to subject our atheletes to the throngs and judging in BEIJING, CHINA.
This year will look like a picnic. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 7:59:05 AM EDT
[#32]
Not sure what that is all about. I thought Hamm handled the situation very well, and performed very well. I do think that Nemov should have won, but I also thought that Paul Hamm deserved the bronze. What are you going to do? The whole system need to be flushed and replaced with a far more objective scoring system. There was plenty of dirty scores in the women's competition as well. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:02:13 AM EDT
[#33]
Nemov is a class act.
agreed. i wish he would have come out and shut the crowd down earlier (for the other competitor's sake), but i completely understand why he did not. frankly, this was just another blown call from the judges. i started watching the summer games in 1964, and biased, bad and just plain incompetent scoring has reared its' ugly head many times. i agree with torf. hamm appeared to a great job of dealing with the crowd's reaction, the score revision, etc. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:06:39 AM EDT
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The Italian guy was the best on the High Bar IMO, then Nemov, then either the Japanese or Hamm.
In the Rings, the Italian guy Chechi was the best but lost to the Greek. All jury systems are weak because of perceptions and prejudice. Ice Skating has always been the worst judging, closely followed by Sky Diving 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:10:34 AM EDT
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As I mentioned before, I don't care much for summer Olympics, and this is one of the reasons.
Winter Olympics are another story. I'll watch just about every minute aired on TV. (EXCEPT figure skating) The best thing is that most all the events involve a stopwatch that you really can't argue with (EXCEPT figure skating) and the X-C skiing and shooting (Modern Biathalon?) is super cool. And the downhill skiing. Those chicks with great legs and asses in those skin tight racing suits..... 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:15:17 AM EDT
[#36]
I need to clarify. Hamm did NOTHING to disgrace himself. However, in light of the All Around controversy, being scored higher than Nemov just put another dark cloud of controversy over him. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:23:20 AM EDT
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I suppose so, but no less than the other atheletes who placed ahead of Nemov. That 'other' dark cloud of controversy involving the Korean routine has pretty much been cleared up. The Korean was actually scored too high after ALL of the aspects were reviewed. I feel sorry for the guy. He does his best, and due to incompetence, or malice, his performances were distracted from. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:26:42 AM EDT
[#38]
AMEN! This is nothing new, but gymnastics and figure skating are especially like this. I wonder why... 
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Posted: 8/24/2004 8:53:38 AM EDT
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Too much room for interpetation. Skill levels should be worth X amount of points. |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 8:46:40 PM EDT
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... Even though the Olympics this year seem a bit lackluster, I still favor watching it over any other crappola on TV the past couple weeks.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 9:09:38 PM EDT
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PS - ... I don't ever remember little Chinese men kicking butts on negros in running games as bad as they are these days
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Posted: 8/27/2004 9:31:21 PM EDT
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You might have gotten my attention if I had not made the mistake of watching Womans judo!!!
All I saw was like Rossan Barr grabing Rossaan and stumbling around till one fell down! Then the one that fell down just layed there for twentyfive secounds!! Great form !!! Bob
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