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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:27:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Arabs are strange.
One Arab slaughtering thousands of other Arabs is just simply taking care of business. A non-Arab killing one Arab is grounds for outrage. We really do need to exploit nuclear power so that we can let that part of the world disintegrate into chaos. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:32:10 PM EDT
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Yeah,I can't stand this "pc" warfare that we(the west)practice these days.
How absurd would it sound to WW2 commanders that we hold off limits supposedly "sacred" sights that are openly used as base of operations for a murderous enemy? We give them life with this BS...let them snatch victory from the jaws of defeat,as it were... 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:37:15 PM EDT
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Aren't Jewish temples relatively often trashed in Europe? They don't seem to care too much about that. Yet Allah forbid that one of their "holy sites" gets touched. Isn't that place just ripe for a bunker buster?
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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:40:33 PM EDT
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I watched a 3.5 hour made for tv movie from 1983 about Anwar Sadat yesterday. It portrayed thetypical Arab politican so succinctly, it probably would be called racist these days.
It portrayed Sadat and Nasserin the 50's and 60's as two faced, shameless liars who said whatever they thought would work to their advantage. After they broke their word and the US basically said "You're a bunch of worthless liars and we can't trust anything you say" they would say "It'll be different this time! Believe us!" and the US replied (basically) "Go pound sand." It was such a shocking portrayal of how Arab politicans operate. The way they see it, any word they give can and will be broken, and if you're foolish enough to believe them, then you deserve to be burned. Then after they backstab you, they act like nothing happened and we should start from square one, as if nothing happened. The fucking Arabs are snakes. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:41:19 PM EDT
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Of course they didn't say anything or protest when Sadam attacked the Imam Ali Shrine. They'd face certain torturous deaths!
I'm elated that the Iraqi people are without the sensation of pending doom and they've found a new feeling of bravery. They feel that they can protest without being tortured or killed! Gee, kinda like America, huh? We won't lose this war by NOT blowing up shrines or religious holdings - we'll lose the support of the MAJORITY by attacking and destroying iconic religious buildings. As the U.S. Special Forces say, "win the hearts and the minds." |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:42:24 PM EDT
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Totally agree.
We have the tech to take out targets like this with little or no collateral damage and yet we allow a HANDFUL of armed thugs to tie up our hands in this brand of "PC" warfare. The reason for having a military is to send them places to kill bad guys and blow their shit up. As long as the thought on everyone's mind that controls these ops is "What will (fill in the blank) going to think about this?" we're doomed to keep playing this seriously fucked up game with these scumbags. Slip the leash and let our people do what they are trained to do and END THIS HORSESHIT with the least number of WIA/KIA on both sides. 
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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:55:51 PM EDT
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I could care less about the number of KIA/WIA the OTHER side; I only care about minimizing OUR casualties. These morons want to keep their "holyZ" sites, stop using them to make war.
Level the place and kill every defender. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 11:58:31 PM EDT
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What the hell are you people thinking??!!??
Our support decreases when we violate their culture. When cultures and religious beliefs are threatened, the opposing force strengthens. WTF??? NO, NO, NO! Do not start blowing up Mosques! My god, people! I am NOT going to promote actions that will get my fellow troopers killed in action. BFS! |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:03:59 AM EDT
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Cept it seems these assholes run into the nearest phuckin phonebooth and it's declared a "sacred" sight.. There's no end to this game... ...and it's gettin stale....real stale. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:04:33 AM EDT
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I was thinking of the fact that the longer a conflict goes on, the more that are killed total on both sides. Any SANE civilization knows that fact. These assclowns however are programmed that dying is one of the best things that can happen to them.
 We all know how well that worked for the Japanese in the long run last time around, don't we? We've lost the will to use the power we have paid BILLIONS (and in blood) for. All the bombs, bullets and high-tech shit on this rock doesn't mean squat if you are AFRAID to use it because of what YOUR ENEMY (and their supporters) will think of you.  How far we've fallen and how fucked we are going to be if this pussy-footing doesn't stop RFN. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:12:30 AM EDT
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MATHEMATICS lesson 101:
We have an enemy of 5,000 who chickenshit out at times and duck into so-called churches. They play their Al-Jazeera card to say they're in a Church. The Sheeple BELIEVE Al-Jazeera. We Blow up the BS church. 100 enemy dead. 1,000 enemy gained because church destroyed. Easy math - not the new stuff. More enemy = more of my fellow troopers killed. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 2:18:58 AM EDT
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What? Ya'll go to sleep or something?
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Posted: 8/23/2004 3:10:42 AM EDT
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I aggree 82nd....
we need to keep the hearts and minds of the majority with us, as it is now..... at the same time we need to root out these vermin from their hiding places, we can surgically remove all the structures around the holy mosque and then walk in and round up the insurgents...... that is my plan..... it aint perfect, but its mine. Since we aint makin a glass parking lot out of this crap hole, that is the option that looks the best to me. Pilk |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 3:23:17 AM EDT
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soory armchair commando's eighty duce is on time and on target , while working with these people i have learned that thye ar e shifty , lazy , lying, whinners but. thye are glad saddam is gone and when they feels safe enough thye will rat out they bad guys in a heartbeat . we have lost interperters becaus there famlies have been threatened and some live on our camp becasue they can't go home or they will end up dead this place will never be america east there culture and religion is to fubar but we now have a base for the pax americana and another "freind" in theis area
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Posted: 8/23/2004 3:24:07 AM EDT
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Somebody finally talking sense...Thank you Pilk! |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 3:34:45 AM EDT
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Gee, 82ndAbn, if that were really the situation, maybe we should just ask forgiveness of the people and just leave the place...to al Sadr and his militia! Having 1,000 American troops die in vain appears to be much more acceptable than staying the course and seeing this through to a successful conclusion. Naw.... Let's take the gloves off and do the job right! It's better to be feared, than to be loved! Eric The(Machiavellian)Hun 
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Posted: 8/23/2004 4:02:29 AM EDT
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ETH, why has Sadr's support been growing? Is is propaganda lead support? I believe so. However, we haven't been gassing kurds and torturing the populous - maybe that's why Sadir's numbers haven't reach the equivilency of what the U.S. had during the initial invasion.
Hearts and Minds, my friend. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 4:11:18 AM EDT
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You and the Liberal assed Media claim that al Sadr's support has been growing. I don't buy it. From what I've heard from folks in Iraq, the rest of the nation is moving ahead with its recovery quite nicely. Haven't you heard the same thing? It's only the little pockets of Sunni and Shiite resistance, by a bunch of folks, who, if they were on the West Bank, or in Gaza, would feel right at home. Throwing rocks!  Hearts and minds? Bullshiite! Blood and guts is what they want? Then give it to them! Eric The(DoomedToRememberHistory)Hun
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Posted: 8/23/2004 4:19:01 AM EDT
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OK, so we've established that it's apparently OK for Arabs to kill Arabs right?
Saddam got away with it being the example. The new Iraqi military is unseasoned and untried at the moment right? Why not use them to go in and kill these worthless bastards? Seal off the area with American troops. Then send Iraqi troops in to drive the insurgents out. Who can cry "religious oppression" when muslims go in and kill muslims? That's my thought anyway. It's their country, let them start fighting for it. They may not be strong enough or organized enough to win it alone at the moment, but they can sure as hell learn a few things and play an active role. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 4:20:30 AM EDT
[#20]
Thanks for the response.  |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 4:52:25 AM EDT
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"When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds follow."
I know, that's so WWII. In that war, if the enemy holed up in churches, we shelled them. Are not Churches holy? My dad was Catholic and he didn't seem to mind shelling them. WWII - we lost that war, right? 
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Posted: 8/23/2004 5:03:53 AM EDT
[#22]
we bombed dresden and berlin...the nazi 'support' did not grow.
we nuked hiroshima and nagasaki...the 'support' for hirohito and tojo did not grow. you mollycoddle these bastages and yes, their support for the radicals will increase. we stand off and bomb the middle east into submission...and mark my words, they WILL submit!...and no troopers die. screw their mosques. screw their imams. screw their worthless wipe-their-asses-with-their-hands lives straight to hell. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 5:08:16 AM EDT
[#23]
Exactly. If you fight from a church, expect to get shot at. There is no "all-e all-e in free", im in a church bs........ |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 5:09:50 AM EDT
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But which majority? Our or theirs? Seems to me we are so wound up on winning their 'hearts and minds' we have forgotten about keeping our own sides 'hearts and minds' onside. And I don't go for all this if we kill thousands of them we lose their 'hearts and minds"! Remember WWII? We flattened most of Germanys and Japans cities… and as for Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Talk about getting their attention! Did we walk into countries with undying hatred towards us? Oh… NO! Because they knew EXACTLY HOW COLD BLOODED AND RUTHLESS WE COULD BE and didn't want to upset us. Friends of mine are with the British Marines and my Nephew is an Army Combat Engineer… they are all now on their 2nd tour and they are getting demoralised at playing Mr Nice Guy while the other side takes turns at shooting at them. The only thing the Arabs respect is power, that is why so many Iraqis are still a little fond of Sadaam… he was a 'Strong Man' and the Arabs will put up with a lot as long as the 'Leader' is seen to be 'Strong'. Every time we back down from deploying brute power when they call us out we are seen as being 'weak' and the Arabs despise 'weakness'. Israel knows that the only way to stay top dog in the Middle East is by being the Biggest and Nastiest dog in the fight. At the moment we bark a lot but we don't let our 'Dogs of War' Bite. ANdy |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 5:13:53 AM EDT
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IIRC, Ike told the Allied forces advancing in Europe to be careful of hsitorical/cultural sites. Of course, defeating Nazi Germany was the top priority, but he didn't want centuries of European history leveled in the process if it could be avoided. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 5:15:26 AM EDT
[#26]
Neutron bombs would not harm the "Holy sites"if the bodies were bulldozed promptly.
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Posted: 8/23/2004 5:22:25 AM EDT
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if we refuse to destroy a mosque that insurgents are using to attack our troops, then ALL the insurgents will start using mosques to protect themselves.
Iraq (and many other areas of the middle east) are just like Europe when it comes to sites with historical value. They have a few thousand years on us for accumulating those sites and almost any village will have a mosque with some historical signifigance. Since we don't want to take it by storm (too costly in our troops lives) and we can't use chemical weapons like Saddam did, the best choice is to flatten the place. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 5:58:11 AM EDT
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Don't we have weapons that could be used to kill all those in the place without any structural damage?
ktm500 edit : just noticed dinkydows' post |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 9:00:13 AM EDT
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This is because there are no perceived consequences for their actions. It's similar to how heated Internet arguments can become and what some ppl are willing to say when all they see of someone else is an avatar. How much more civil these affairs would be if some of these/us keyboard commandos could see that the guy they/we just called a "monkey-fucking shitstain who probably fucked his sister until he was 27 [and she was 13]" is actually 6'5" and weighs 325.  Back to the main conversation, though, people are emboldened when they do not see that foolhardy actions can sometimes have consequences. Here is one of my favorite examples of this:   |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 9:04:00 AM EDT
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they should fire 3 warning shots in the back of his head
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Posted: 8/23/2004 9:12:08 AM EDT
[#31]
The problem is gentlemen, that we are not calling the shots anymore. This isn't a fight between the US and Al-Sadr anymore, it's the Iraqis problems. The new govt. of Iraq is calling the shots and if they say they don't want us to go into the shrine, we don't go, simple as that. If the new Iraqi govt. says they want to try to neogatiate, than that's what we do. We handed over the responsibiities of governing Iraq to the Iraqis, we have to let them run with the ball now. The new Iraqi govt. is afraid of angering the people of Iraq (rightly so I might add) if the Ali Shrine is destroyed.
We have tanks within 250 meters. I say let the new govt. do what it wants, keep the tanks there and not let anyone in or out. The Mahdi Militia will start to get hungry soon and will either surrender or come out of the Mosque to fight, just where we want them. |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 11:15:44 AM EDT
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Post from wise_jake:
Heck, I was there that day!  Actually that is my almost-twin cousin, Ezra Ben Hun, A Team member from ISR. Eric The(ThisLandIsYourLand,ThisLandIsMyLand,ExceptForThatTinySliverOverAgainstTheSea)Hun
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:13:02 PM EDT
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LMFAO, man! That's rich. BTW, did you receive your letter? ETA: I think 1/2 the reason the kid's so scared is b/c your cousin is showing the kid how many fingers they're gonna give him! See on the kid's left arm? "Two fingers, you little bitch! I'm gonna give you two fingers w/ no lube if you don't start talking fast....." 
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:20:02 PM EDT
[#34]
what's new, they blew up 6 churches in Iraq not but 3 weeks ago...on a SUNDAY!!!!
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Posted: 8/23/2004 12:57:55 PM EDT
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'cynical mode on' yes but they were only Christian Churches, not holy mosques or sacred sites, 'cynical mode off'. And that's my point exactly, we are so busy trying to be 'correct' and not 'offend muslim sensibilities' we seem to have lost sight of what exactly we are fighting., ie; utterly rutless psychopaths who will stop at nothing to kill or destroy our troops or our will and will use ANY tactic or method to achieve their aims while we try and be Mr Nice Guy. ANdy |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 1:28:43 PM EDT
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You get 'em, Andy...... Seriously, while I appreciate 82ndAbn's comments and sensibilities, at some point these kid gloves must come off. I think we can, in a sense, "Get both!" by trying to avoid mosques, etc, as best we can,* but still taking the fight to these fuckers w/ 110% when they're out of the shadow of the mosque. * With proclamations of: "If these 'so-called radicals' don't really represent the heart of the 'Religion of Peace,' then I'm sure you people will have no problem turning them into us, in order to save your mosques and holy places from annihilation once these weasels inevitably hole up in them." |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 1:34:43 PM EDT
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Post from wise_jake -
I think that pic may be from the website that PoliticalScience made that is entitled: EricTheHun Answers your Questions About the Arab-Israeli Conflict free.hostdepartment.com/P/PoliticalScience/Eric/index.htm It's a pretty good spoof on my Pro-Zionist views on Israel!
Yes, I did and I am as pleased as punch! And that's punch with alcoholic fixings added!
Ezra Ben Hun and I have a very old covenant, together: What happens on the West Bank and Gaza stays in the West Bank and Gaza! It's served us well, so far, so I see no reason to begin jabbering now! Let's just say that der kleine knabe won't be flinging rocks anytime soon.  Eric The(Lachende)Hun
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Posted: 8/23/2004 3:49:50 PM EDT
[#38]
Everybody's opinions that were contrary to what I had been stating earlier makes perfect sense. And I do appreciate the input. Thanks - I learned something.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 6:05:54 AM EDT
[#39]
That's one of the funniest things I've seen in quite some time. I think it illustrates quite well all the craziness going on over there and just how hard it is to "do anything" or for anything to "get done." If we can't fix it, we can always laugh heartily at it...... |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 6:08:01 AM EDT
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What he said, back at all of y'all: 82nd, Pilk, Colt. There are no easy questions, therefore no easy answers, therefore no easy solutions....... |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:57:07 AM EDT
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