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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:27:55 PM EDT
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This has been talked into the dirt. I doubt highly theres ANYONE on this board that has "real world" experience with it, and even if they did it'd be anecdotal at best.
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:30:16 PM EDT
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Better than 9mm
Not better than .223 YMMV |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:32:31 PM EDT
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Please explain... |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:37:12 PM EDT
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In a subgun. Not in a handgun. Good for penetrating glass, body armor. Has decent terminal ballistics. Let me see if i can dig up a link to a video FN put out. Pretty cool what the P90 can do. |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:38:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:39:33 PM EDT
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Some very learned people in the field of wound ballistics dont agree with you on that. |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:43:07 PM EDT
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Yeah. Just trying to get to 1000 posts. |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:44:28 PM EDT
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 whats the world comming to? |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:46:37 PM EDT
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Been here for almost 2 years
Need to get to a 1000. Beats +1 |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:49:35 PM EDT
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The P90 is effective (when it is) primarily because it's easy to spray 10-15 round bursts into someone. It's a nice small package and it does penetrate pistol-rated vests. But the terminal ballistic performance of the ammo is lousy at best.
Take this same ammo and put it in a semi-auto pistol with an even shorter barrel, and you essentially have (from a wound potential standpoint) a .22LR that can penetrate vests. Vest penetration aside, 5.7mm from a P90 doesn't even perform as well as 9mm FMJ, and that round is not known for being a great performer. -Troy |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 9:51:15 PM EDT
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Does it beat having your account locked? -Troy |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:02:07 PM EDT
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Here's my quesiton (since the expert is in the house). Is a .223 from a SBR (like an AR with a 11.5 barrel) any better than a regular 9mm ? |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:08:29 PM EDT
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Finally got the vid downloaded! Very sweet! The guys in the vid make mag changes look so simple. Based on what was said in the vid the round is perfect for the weapons intended use.
[kneels down]Santa, please bring me an FNP90 for Christmas?[/kneelsdown] |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:10:21 PM EDT
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223 will fragment out to like 60 yards or so in a 11.5 barrel. So I would say yes. There is a chart out there somewhere that gives a break down. |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:12:39 PM EDT
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Can a brother make a half hearted joke around here without a jackboot hanging over his head? |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 10:14:34 PM EDT
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Thanks - sorry I was too lazy to fine the chart. Come to think of it, it was probably in Troy's Ammo FAQ all along 
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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:20:56 PM EDT
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Yes, especially if your adversary is wearing conventional body armor. |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:25:27 PM EDT
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Awww Lumpy, you're full of shit along with the rest of the nattering naybobs of negativity.
If it's good enough for SG-1...... 
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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:33:26 PM EDT
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Does ANYBODY have information on REAL WORLD results of the stopping
power of this round? www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=197018 thread title.... FN Five-Seven/ SS192HP PISTOL makes swiss cheese of Level 2 vest today kinda like this ? |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:40:32 PM EDT
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Yeah, stop that vests aggressive behavior.... wtf does that thread have to do with its ability to stop violent aggression? |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:51:24 PM EDT
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damn buddy just trying to help here...
dont know about you .. but I would think that if it can do this to two phonebooks protected by a vest then it just MIGHT have SOME ability to stop violent aggression but thats just me.. carry on. edit forgot the pic   
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Posted: 8/22/2004 12:07:51 AM EDT
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Don't bother, Lump. Ya can't learn 'em nothing don't wanna be learned.
But just in case, here's your first hint: Phonebooks and human bodies have very different physical construction. Thus, performance in one type of medium should not be assumed to be equivalent to performance in a totally dissimilar medium, especially when testing in a 3rd medium (ballistic gelatin), which has a 25+ year record of being very similar replicating the wound profiles of bullets in humans, has shown very different results. -Troy |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 12:13:20 AM EDT
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BUT THEM phone books were coming right at us !!!
Troy you of course bring up a great point there .. we arnt made of phone books . another question.... since the gelitin would be the best indicator of a real world encounter ... why hasent one been done? and if there has been one done... why arent the results posted EVERY for all to see... ? seems that would but this question to rest.. seems it would a. confirm a lot of nay sayers... or b. confrim its claim .. < im assuming it claims to stop people and not just kill phone books..  and yes we can be learned.. but how can you compete with the purty pics of dead books?  ETA .. can a LEO just pls go kill a dog so we can see the results? < sorry couldnt help it > |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 12:17:14 AM EDT
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My 10/22 will shoot through two phone books. Still, I wouldn't consider it an effective mankiller.
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Posted: 8/22/2004 12:22:41 AM EDT
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while they have a vest wrapped around them..? |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 12:29:17 AM EDT
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The HK MP7's 4.6 is better than the P90's 5.7...if that helps any?
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Posted: 8/22/2004 12:31:07 AM EDT
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No, but who gives a fuck, I have a 5.56 for shooting bad guys. So what if it goes through armor, it still only hits like a .22LR and armor is rare on bad guys. |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 2:05:24 AM EDT
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We've done it at least 3 times in the Ammo forum. -Troy |
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Posted: 8/22/2004 3:55:14 AM EDT
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Gelatin is fine but.....I was thinking more along the lines of, Officer "X" has used the P90
for 5 years in SWAT operations, and he say "Man, this thing is amazing!!!! I've never seen anything like it!!! I shot 3 guys in the chest on three seperate occasions, and they droped like pole axed cows!!! I'd never give mine up!!!!" The fact that we HAVEN'T seen this makes me wonder....it's been on the market for HOW long? AoD |
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