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Posted: 8/21/2004 5:05:46 PM EDT
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What do you guys think of this guy? I hope that his story of the FBI stopping his work because they thought he would make them look bad. |
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There are others out there like him with better organization and better funding.
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Keith Idema? Wouldn't be the first time the FBI locked him up because he made them look bad. If they were smart they'd put him on payroll as a human intelligence asset and let him run wild.
But anyone who runs against the herd is an outcast. |
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The guy is either a hero or just another bounty hunter. Remember, there is $50 MILLION US on thet guys head(no, not under the rag). The US has a BIG bounty on Osama. And if I were 20 years younger, I may have joined the hunt myself. The hunting of men is the biggest rush you can have.
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I'm not sure US command really WANTS to catch BeenLeaden. No doubt they would be really pissed if an independent did the deed.
Personally, I don't care WHO kills the jackass, just so he becomes worm food. |
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If you want to catch a scumbag terrorist some times you got to operate like one. The CIA should help fund him and his private war. We need people like this on the ground. He is a US citizen, so he is must hae more loyalty then an Afghan, and he is not limited by conventional tactics and such.
The more I see things like this the less I beleive that they really want to catch Osama. Why should we care how he is caught. If Idema caught him and surrendered him to the CIA or FBI they could just claim they caught him instead of Idema. I am sure Idema is not doing it for fame, people like Idema do it for funds and action. |
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Why do you think that? Keep people scared before election? Most folks aren't scared of terrorism anyhow. Because they know where he is and are learning from him? Seems unlikely. Just curious why you would say that. |
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Wow! |
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I don't see any problem with private parties roaming the planet in the name of truth, justice, and the American way.
The problem you run into is the fact that US Foreign policy varies with the wind, and what we are told here in the CONUS can be wildly different than the actual policy on the ground used to appease the locals for that "Grand scheme of things" that us mere subjects could not possibly comprehend! |
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Seems to me the US is selling this guy out. He's one of the good guys. The CIA should have put him on the payroll. If they were concerned about being shown up, then they should have made the offer not subject to negotiation.
Our black ops agencies seem to lost their backbone. |
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Thinking about it, he'll probably get a death sentence, put to death, and then start doing some real work for the CIA!
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You are very gullible… Keith Idema is a convicted fraud (thief) a proven liar, this is not the first time he has made something up out of the blue to try and save his ass. The CIA wouldn’t touch this lying sack of suds with a 10 mile pole. |
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please |
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Yeah. Why enjoy a huge boost in you poll numbers and ensure you re-election when you can use him as a bogeyman to justify invading innocent countries to build pipelines, right? Dont be an idiot. I'm not used to seeing you say stupid things. |
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+1 |
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There is also the background thought that his capture would set off a chain reaction of attacks at home and abroad. Currently he is fairly out of touch and unable to truly direct enemy operations. Its hard when you can't use comm gear and have to rely on runners catching up to you while you are on the run. An Osama who drops dead from kidney failure or old age is much better than a martyr who's desciples decide to blow up something of value to avenge him.
Saddam was no big deal in this regard as he had very few true followers. His people obeyed him out of fear, Osama's follow him out of loyalty. |
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Once you have hunted another man you have hunted the greatest game alive, and everything else is tame-paraphrase of Hemingway |
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Thank You!!!! Finally! I think a bunch of people on this site need to do some research on this asshole before popping off. Typical...... |
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It takes away all the mojo if he is caught. No more hype, loss of funding and a sense that the war is over. It dosent matter if its true or not. That will be the general feeling. So I would say YES that they dont really want to catch him if they can keep him on the move and scared shitless. |
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The CIA employes scum MUCH worse than this guy. |
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Maybe..... But not near often enough. We need to deal with dirty people to kill dirty people. |
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More often than not he's a windbag. Got that first conviction mentioed up top, and even filed a lawsuit against the studio that distributed that Clooney flick, The Peacemaker. Claiming it was based on his exploits. Perhaps I'll tag this thread and add an opinion of one of Idema's wanted posters from Afghanistan, that hopefully a PMC will hook me up with. |
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"The hunting of men is a rush. . .bla. . .bla. . .bla. . ." Give me a break. You need to put down "The Most Dangerous Game" there Rainsford.
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Want an accurate assessment of Idema? Take a look at how many BTDT Special Forces guys he has defending him. Not active duty guys who have a career to worry about, but guys who were in when he was.
*crickets chirping* Exactly. |
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Musings in the middle of the night:
I know almost nothing of Idema. He may be a fraud - or not. You can bet, however, that there is NO WAY the government wants anyone other than them to hunt or find OBL. Just as the Pakis don't want him caught, under ANY circumstances. The Feds have a vested interest in NOT publicly admitting it if they DO catch the scumbag or send him for his 70 virgin pigs. As long as they can focus on OBL they can deny we are at war with most of islam, justify half measures, ignore the countries that are our greatest threat. It isn't about oil or pipelines, that is a distraction promoted by the left. Even if it were true, oil being a most vital interest of the USA would certainly justify it. The left HATES oil and the freedom it brings. Our mobility comes from oil (as does much of our medicine, chemical industry, etc.); the mobility that helps keep us free rather than serfs in cities where you work in a building a block from where you live. Lack of easy individual travel leads to tyranny. We are at war with a culture; one of hate and ignorance, tyranny and blind ambition. Unfortunately our own government sees their #1 goal the keeping and increasing of power, lulling the populace with PC (to further goal #1). Just as the drug war is an excuse for all kinds of attacks upon our rights and a move toward goal #1, so is the failure to locate OBL. The public will support many actions, give up many freedoms in the quest to locate the world's #1 criminal, just as they have in the "war on drugs". Why would the Feds give up either tool? Why would they risk an open warfare with the forces of evil (radical islam) when it is so much more in THEIR interest to maintain the current status? Unless the terrorists blow up Washington DC, it doesn't negatively impact them. It DOES give them all kinds of opportunity to chip away at our rights, further goal #1. While President Bush may have once wanted to catch OBL immediately prior to the election in order to derail the communists of the Democrat party, OBL's value may have been greatly diminished by the passage of time. The American people have a very short memory. The leftist controlled media makes sure there is little to keep the memory of 9/11 alive beyond issues of interest to them. You can be sure the media do NOT want effective action against the enemies of America, as that would be THEM. The people have not forgotten the date of 9/11 but many have forgotten the horror, the images of people leaping 1000 feet to their certain SPLAT. The media have buried those images. They have started a partisan debate (or at least promoted it) blaming America for those who hate her. Exactly the same as saying it isn't the criminal's fault he robbed you - it is yours for having something he desired!! The response to 11 Sep 2001 is VERY different than the reponse to 7 Dec 41. The leader (Yamamoto) of THAT "Day of Infamy" was hunted down and KILLED. No attempt was made to capture him, but rather to do only one thing, KILL him. War in 1941 was all-out, no holds barred horror against an enemy, culminating in the use of the most important techonlogical achievement in history. Ended the war with a clear victor. Worked well, too. Japan is a member in good standing of the civilized world. Germany, though thoroughly socialist, is no longer a threat to world peace or the lives of millions of Jews. Well, other than their cowardice in dealing with the forces of evil such as Soddom. Do not put words in my mouth - I fully SUPPORT the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. They were the right thing to do and still are. My only complaint is in how they have been run, fought too much like VN, using 1/2 assed measures. Sending good troops to a shithole (and I consider ALL the ME a shithole) to fight with one hand tied behind their back, negotiating with terrorists, failing to utterly obliterate them like we did in WWII is a disgrace! Failure to use EVERY TOOL, EVERY PERSON to do what it takes to WIN is failure. The politicians lost VN, they are working on losing again. Makes me sick. |
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Anyone heard the story about the Americans that were posing as a Special Forces A-team in Afghanistan? Was this guy involved with them, or is this a completely different group? The story I heard second-hand is that a group of guys bought all the typical SF gear and, I assume, AR carbines and headed for Afghanistan to hunt Taliban. Sounds similar, although this article doesn't seem to mention if this guy was conducting tactical operations or just running his own investigation and search for Bin Laden.
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Dave- I think it's the same guy. Our BDOC here sent out a" WANTED/ARMED AND DANGEROUS" flyer to us about a week before he was caught. BDOC said that he was telling people in the AO that he was a Major? in the SF. The flyer had his multiple social security #'s and drivers liscense #'s listed as well as his criminal history. Here's the arrest history from the flyer: - 1982: New York – Possession of Stolen Property, disposition unknown - 1986: New York – Resisting Arrest, disposition unknown - 1993: North Carolina – Arrested by FBI Charlotte for 58 counts of Wire Fraud, Aiding and Abetting, 1 count Conspiracy to Commit Fraud by Wire. Sentenced to 48 months imprisonment, served 36 months supervised release, $200,000 restitution. - 1998: Maryland – Failure to Appear Issued, Bail/Bond Hearing – Released on Bail - 2004: North Carolina – Arrested for Impersonating a Peace Officer, Possession of a false identification, disposition unknown/pending CHRIS |
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I believe the CIA knows where OBL is all the time.Just watching/listening on him and his co-horts to gather as much intel as possible.I know this sounds stupid, OBL is better alive than dead.Killing the messengers is bad too, it kills the LEADS.Private citizens going after OBL may screw things up for the intel groups.My thoughts
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Two things
1. A while back when they raised the bounty from $25 to $50 mil, FOx News had some Generals on debating why. To an Afganny, what's the difference right? The consensus was they thought it was to encourage bounty hunters. It would be an expensive proposition to mount that sort of operation (like a treasure hunt). 2. It could be #1 is all wrong and that we are getting a bead on Osma for the upcoming election and no one wants a rogue screwing that up. Bomber |
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I used to lurk at Socnetcentral.com, which is a hangout place for Been-there-done-that SF types, and Idema is universally hated over there. He is considered to have influenced Robin Moore and convinced him that he (Idema) is a real hero, instead of a fraud. Robin Moore wrote quite a bit about him in 'The Hunt for Bin Laden', and Idema is pictured on the cover. One SF veteran recounted a story from Afghanistan in which, during an attempted medevac, Idema completely lost is composure on the ground, and panicked, compounding the already significant problems posed by a night helicopter medevac in bad weather. I may have a few of the details wrong, since it has been a while since I read this stuff, but that is the gist of the story. |
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"You wanna find an outlaw, you call an outlaw. You wanna find a Dunkin' Donuts, call a
Leonard Smalls (Randy Tex Cobb) Raising Arizona |
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Chris - Thanks for the info - that's pretty interesting. I heard briefly about the guys being caught on the news but then nothing after the intial report. Keep your head down up there. Dave |
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