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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:52:26 PM EDT
[#1]
Yes, it is your property.
The law most likely says something different though. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:53:17 PM EDT
[#2]
If you got the money for a good lawyer. Sure. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:53:17 PM EDT
[#3]
For the sake of argument lets take the "law" out of this.
I mean in your own personnal beliefs. Sgatr15 |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:53:47 PM EDT
[#4]
depends if your life, or someone elses life, is in danger.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:54:45 PM EDT
[#5]
No. Killing in defense of property is just not justified. Legally or morally. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:55:33 PM EDT
[#6]
should be you be able to? yeah i think so. i mean the criminal destroying your home or vehical could have chosen to leave you alone but instead he chose to engage you.
should you ethically? not so sure. it depends. is it a kid playing an inning of mailbox baseball? or is it an arsonist burning down your house? legally? no of course you can't. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:55:49 PM EDT
[#7]
I think we should be able to shoot people for many reasons --
shit make it like the old west - law of the gun . |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:56:08 PM EDT
[#8]
Just property SGtar15 |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:56:09 PM EDT
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YES, if a person/or persons is on your propertie, and destroying/damaging your place, then YES, I believe you should have the right to improve the gene pool.
They are commiting a crime against you, and your belongings, who or what is to say they will not come after you, and do you and your family phyisical harm. PREVENTIVE MAINTIANCE, thats what I call it. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:58:30 PM EDT
[#10]
then no.
I would not be willing to kill for property. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:59:08 PM EDT
[#11]
I don't think you would like the old west thing, for many reasons. 
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:59:18 PM EDT
[#12]
yes.....
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:00:13 PM EDT
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Should I be able to, or ist it legal to? Where I live, no shooting until they enter my home or (attached) garage. Not much to keep a large dog from clamping his jaws on their ass, though 
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:10:07 PM EDT
[#14]
killing someone to protect your property is wrong. leaving a reminder in his ass is fair game.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:10:19 PM EDT
[#15]
While not legally justified (at least in most states). Morally I think it depends. What if that vandal was going to destroy the crops you just harvested? Or kill your herd? Is it Ok to destroy a persons (and family's) life and income through vandalism? I used to think it was never OK to shoot someone over property. Now I'm not as definate over that, depends on the circumstances. I think if such people were shot more often (and the homeowners rewarded for it) we'd see ALOT less crime. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:14:21 PM EDT
[#16]
I'd have to say that depends on a few things....
If you have teenagers... and his/her friends are teepeeing your yard... then you should be shooting them with a 12ga and rock salt or a good pellet gun. Now if you catch someone destroying your car, attempting to steal it, spraying paint on your house, or otherwise "destroying $hit" then hell yea!!! blast away!!! 12ga and fed tac 00 buck comes to mind. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:14:56 PM EDT
[#17]
only if it is a cat
 
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:16:08 PM EDT
[#18]
If it is a person, yes.
If it is a cat, NO! Geeze, some of you people are slow. 
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:20:27 PM EDT
[#19]
That's what I was getting at. I never said person, just intruder. And I wondered how many advocate shooting a person but not shooting a cat when they are both destroying your porerty. SGatr15 |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:25:16 PM EDT
[#20]
sarge, first time i see a cat trying to burn my house down you're damn right i'm gonna shoot his ass.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:25:24 PM EDT
[#21]
If it is just outside, then no. If someone came into your house and was destroying property, then yes.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:27:35 PM EDT
[#22]
Shoot the intruder - BUT be sure to practice good stance and tactical technique.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:29:17 PM EDT
[#23]
Since I don't feel like participating in the seven page mind-fuck currently bobbing up and down the page, I will say this here.
If some cat prowls around my property, I will treat it like an intruder. Whether it is little suzy's pet from down the street or some rabid fleebag. My experience leads me to believe that a large number of cat owners think their little darlings "need" to roam on my property as they are free spirits. Fuck em. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:32:13 PM EDT
[#24]
A person's life, an animals's life - it doesn't matter. If someone enters my property unwarranted, their life becomes gravely endangered.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:33:06 PM EDT
[#25]
In my core, no I would not shoot an intruder who was just destroying my property...
I do feel it should be justifiable to break their knee caps, fingers, toes, teeth, nose, jaw, ears etc. etc. Anything short of puncturing the perpetrators body or gouging *both* of their eyes out. How much of the previously mentioned retribution is dished should depend on what the inruder was destroying. That IMHO would seem like an acceptable amount of force in the defense of property.  Sly. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:33:36 PM EDT
[#26]
Stop the intruder: Yes, absolutely.
Kill the intruder: No. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:35:17 PM EDT
[#27]
I thought in Texas thats legal (Correct me if I am wrong). But it has to be in the action of the perp doing it like if he's in the middle of throwing a toilet paper roll on your trees or such situations.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:36:38 PM EDT
[#28]
In Texas it IS legal - and for a good reason. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:38:26 PM EDT
[#29]
What good reason is that?
If you could live with yourself for shooting a teenager for TPing your trees, you're one hard mo fo. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:41:42 PM EDT
[#30]
You might have a point. If he's ready to burn your whole house down, and you aren't in it of course, then maybe. But isn't that what insurance is for? In the old world, then yes. You whole year's crops and hence your livlihood and ability to eat through the winter IS a direct threat to your survival. But now, those sorts of things are protected against through insurance and other devices. So, mostly, no, killing is not proper merely to protect property. But there could be a situation that warrants it. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:43:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Lethal force should be for defense of a person, not property.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:56:41 PM EDT
[#32]
Say a guy spilled gas in your home and is about to torch it -- you live in the country and have no neighbors ... you going to let him torch it ? or shoot him -- to stop him, it is just property after all - say a 250,000.00 home. For the sake of this question - you are in no danger whatever he does and no one else either. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:03:35 PM EDT
[#33]
Using lethal force to stop the arson of an occupied dwelling is justified in my state.
And in my state of mind. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:05:50 PM EDT
[#34]
see it is the amount of property that makes the matter questionable shoot somebody for a bicycle no for stealing a 200.00 beater car no for stealing a 200,000 Lamborghini ---------- ? |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:07:55 PM EDT
[#35]
no, it's not the value of the property.
The key word in my last statement is "occupied" dwelling. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:14:25 PM EDT
[#36]
Deadly force in defense of property is not lawful in my state...and in my opinion, not moral in any state. If you make the argument that you can take a life to defend your property, then you should be able to have an abortion to protect your bling-bling. Same thing. So if you think abortion to protect your ability to afford FUBU is ok, then put a cap in his ass to protect that Olds 98 on blocks in your yard - same thing.
But people, what about the BLING BLING? |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:15:32 PM EDT
[#37]
You only take a life to save a life, sounds fucked up but it is the only right thing to do.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:16:55 PM EDT
[#38]
In Texas, they respect the individual. Myself, being an individual, knows right from wrong. If a kid was throwing toilet paper over my trees, I'd turn him into his parents. If a thug was robbing my tool shed, I'd shoot him dead. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:18:44 PM EDT
[#39]
As a general rule, that is the case all over. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:20:56 PM EDT
[#40]
Personally, I say yes. The destruction of property is the taking of so much of the owner's life as was required to build or buy the property. It is an affront to simple decency. It is a deliberate intrusion on the homeowner's right to peaceabl enjoyment of his life and property. The offender is indubitably a piece of shit and a net loss to society so long as he lives.
Legally, under Fla law, I say yes. Burglary is a forcible felony. Forcible felonies may be terminated with deadly force. Burglary includes entry into a dwelling with the intent to commit an offense. Destruction of property is an offense known as criminal mischief. A dwelling includes the curtilage (adjacent yard, at a minimum) of the structure. Hence, the act you occured is burglary of a dwelling, punishable by 15 years if the offender is caught by the police and not punishable at all if he is caught by a motivated homeowner. Having said that, it wouldn't be worth the trouble it would cause. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:20:59 PM EDT
[#41]
It's stupid.
A five year old comes in a picks a blade of grass from your yard and you want to kill him?  You're going to face a HUGE civil liability no matter what state of the union you live in. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:23:25 PM EDT
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I hope the Girl Scouts carry warrants where you're from and you carry a very large umbrella coverage. Talk to a lawyer before you open up on the neighbor's kid retrieving that football. The consulation will cost you $200. Defending your wrongful death suit will cost you everything you own. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:24:59 PM EDT
[#43]
Unless you've got the bank account of Cullen Davis I'm glad California isn't the only state where you can buy justice. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:26:49 PM EDT
[#44]
So it took me six minutes of pay to buy a rose bush for the front yard and you're willing to take all of some 16 year old boys life for cutting a flower to bring to his dying grandmother? Again talk to a lawyer and make sure you kill all the boys living relatives and good friends. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:28:34 PM EDT
[#45]
That thought process is why CA is like it is - and Texas is like IT is. We know right from wrong. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:38:26 PM EDT
[#46]
So, I worked my whole life to buy a home and a 46 year old multiple-convicted felon with an eyeball tattoed in the middle of his forehead is using a flamethrower and a front-end loader to destroy my house, yard, outbuildings, vehicles, dogs, cats, goats, pigs, chickens, treasury bills, jewelry and religious icons, and you think I should stand by and watch? Google reductio ad absurdum. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:39:22 PM EDT
[#47]
As has been said, arson is one of the exceptions under the law. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:40:17 PM EDT
[#48]
Have the kids from the elementry school been walking on your grass again?
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:48:11 PM EDT
[#49]
+1 |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 2:50:15 PM EDT
[#50]
Steve, you are one of the people who's opinions I begun to value on this site. I know this discussion has erupted a few emotions. Please don't think Texans, et al. would murder children. The law in place affords the choice to protect personal property with lethal force. It was instated with the assumption that adults know the difference between right and wrong. Please consider this in your replies. |
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