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Posted: 8/19/2004 6:59:57 AM EDT
Here's a strange setup. I've seen carry handles mounted on the left/right sides of a railed forend, but never like this. Doesn't seem entirely practical. But what do I know? I've never been in the military. By the way, what kind of forend is that?
 ETA: That's not even GANGSTA! ETA 2: Here's a couple more. These are from Yahoo.   |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 7:02:24 AM EDT
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Probably so he doesn't lose it. The new olyarms ar mounts the stock on the side rail
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Posted: 8/19/2004 7:08:20 AM EDT
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In this man's respective army, he needs it mounted in that fasion for drill and ceremony purposes.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 7:30:23 AM EDT
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+1 It within reach should he need to dump the ACOG. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 7:31:54 AM EDT
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Hmmm, I could be wrong but rail looks like a Surefire M73 or a KAC Ras using the Surefire ladder protectors.
 
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Posted: 8/19/2004 7:32:55 AM EDT
[#5]
Or it breaks/fails [hides in dark corner] |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 7:37:25 AM EDT
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caption says.... :
The commander of a U.S. Army Abrams tank shoots his automatic rifle towards a Shi'ite militant position in the southern Iraq City of Najaf August 19, 2004. U.S. forces and a radical Iraqi cleric were locked in a tense standoff after the firebrand leader refused to leave a holy shrine in Najaf despite earlier agreeing to disarm his militia and withdraw. (Ali Jasim/Reuters) <from the pic in the news thread> |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 7:44:46 AM EDT
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Someone should issue him A BUIS, so he wouldn't have to mount the damn carry handle on his lower rail in case of ACOG fairlure. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 7:53:24 AM EDT
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Soldiers were mounting the carry handle wherever there was room just to keep it with the weapon as a buis. Evidently there was a shortage of buis units that could be mounted in conjunction with the ACOG. The mounting shown in the pictures above has no tactical value, other than storage.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 8:00:35 AM EDT
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Why use a .223 when there's a perfectly good .50 right next to you?
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Posted: 8/19/2004 8:12:38 AM EDT
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This position keeps the weapon slim in the horizontal axis, which may be important in confined spaces (like a tank, duhh). It may also function as an expedient VFG ? Probably, just doesn't want to lose it.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 8:21:50 AM EDT
[#11]
Interesting.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 8:23:56 AM EDT
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It looks like it would be a little hard to get a good grip on the handguard for follow up shots.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:23:16 AM EDT
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Yeah, it just doens't look like a comfortable grip. Thanks for the input guys. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:28:17 AM EDT
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I don't know about you, but if I have a GOD DAMNED 50 CAL within arms reach....
....I'll sling the M4. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:59:45 AM EDT
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I've seen several of our boys in the sand pit with carry handles mounted on the side of an M5.
Not a bad idea if you want a plan B to your TA31F and don't want to monkey with an ARMS #40 |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:05:17 AM EDT
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What he said. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:07:43 AM EDT
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Joe Journalist got it wrong. It's not an Abrams, as the Ma-Deuce on the M1-series is hardmounted into a power traverse, so that the TC can fire it while buttoned up. From the looks of that hatch, I'd say that it's an artillery piece, or an artillery supply vehicle. (Not a recovery vehicle either, unless the new model of M88 changed it's TC hatch arrangement, nor an M113.) |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:08:23 AM EDT
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That is assuming the thing works, or that you have ammo for it. Call me weird, but I would rather point a loaded 5.56 rifle at the enemy than an empty .50. The .50 is awesome, but not THAT awesome. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:14:14 AM EDT
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Tanker06:
The equipment to fire while buttoned up was dropped a few years back (M1A1 to M1A2 upgrade) in exchange for more electronic goodies for the commander (ability to fire the main gun and coax from his seat, IIRC). He has to open the hatch to use the .50 now. Here's an M1A2:  Kharn |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:23:37 PM EDT
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I wonder why they changed that, it seems like a good idea to keep buttoned up while fighting. I would want a armored shield like those ACAVS around my cupola/.50 if I had to expose myself. especially in that urban style fighting they are going through. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 5:37:00 PM EDT
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Guys - the TC could always fire the main gun and coax using the commander's override (joystick), but the A2 version of the Abrams has a video display for the Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV) in place of the internal controls for the cal .50. The CITV is the "R2D2" thing on the top of the turret just to the right of the M240 and gunner's primary site housing (doghouse) in the photo above. The CITV is an amazing upgrade - it allows the TC to scan independently and designate targets for the gunner, bringing the main gun onto whatever target the TC is looking at through the CITV. It doubles your ability to identify targets by allowing both TC and gunner to search at the same time. The drawback is that, as mentioned above, the TC is exposed when manning the cal .50. I would guess this TC is using his M4 because he doesn't want the .50 to go through the target into the store behind it / him, out that building, through the car behind the building, and into the house on the other side of the street.  Dave |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 6:41:46 PM EDT
[#22]
Doesn't look too comfortable mounted like that.
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Posted: 8/20/2004 8:24:39 AM EDT
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good stuff on the M1...I did'nt know that (old 80's Army)
Back to topic; That is really not a bad idea for the carry handle. If you had to keep the carry handle, I would have thought it would be better on one of the sides versus the bottom. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 10:01:05 AM EDT
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+ 1 |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 10:20:50 AM EDT
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These look like stills from the film footage I watched on TV news here in UK. It's an M1 Commander firing at a target of opportunity in some very intense street fighting close in to the Imam Ali Mosque. The guy was really laying into whoever it was he was shooting at!
Why not using the .50? My guess is either because the Tank very close to and pointed at the mosque and the .50 would tear it up… political no-no. Or, the guy he is shooting at is very close, maybe a rag with an RPG jumped out of a doorway. Eitherway that guy is doing a great job! As to why he has the handle mounted that way? I would asume it keeps the weapon 'cleaner' stored that way, a big advantage pulling it into and out of a tank. ANdy |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 2:24:24 AM EDT
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I've never fired a rifle with my CVC on, but these photos made me realize that you can't really put your cheek against the stock because of the CVC earphones. I guess you'd have to wedge the stock under the earpiece, which kind of looks like what this TC is doing. I'll have to give that a try when I get back to the line... Dave |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 2:29:04 AM EDT
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When we first picked up the M4s back in 97, it was SOP to mount the carry handle on the underside of the handguard so you always had it with you.
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