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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:43:59 AM EDT
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When a man with a .45 meets a man with a rifle, the man with a pistol will be a dead man. That's an old Mexican Proverb...and it's true.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:44:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me. The shit that comes to some of you on Thanksgiving morning... |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:45:16 AM EDT
[#3]
CSB
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:45:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me. This is what goes through your mind on Thanksgiving ? |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:47:06 AM EDT
[#5]
Happy Thanksgiving?
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:49:29 AM EDT
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One in five handgun shootings are fatal OP.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:49:44 AM EDT
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I can't tell you how many times we've all heard it, pistols don't win wars and it's true alone, pistols don't. But I can't believe they are a completely insignificant tool for use in wars.
I'm just reacting the these shootings that have been taking place recently where the shooters have been using pistols rather than the dreaded "assault rifles". |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:50:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The shit that comes to some of you on Thanksgiving morning... Lol this OP isn’t wrong but… |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:50:57 AM EDT
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Meh, we can still talk guns on Thanksgiving. Pistols are great for what they are. Small, concealable weapons. On you whenever you need 'em, just in case.
If you're expecting a fight, carry a rifle. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:51:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When a man with a .45 meets a man with a rifle, the man with a pistol will be a dead man. That's an old Mexican Proverb...and it's true. not at 3 ft. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:51:14 AM EDT
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Someone who can't differentiate between immediate incapacitation and killing will be along shortly to correct you OP.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:52:24 AM EDT
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Pistols don't win wars. So if your goal is to win the war, you don't need a pistol.
A pistol MAY help you win a fight. Probably not a rifle fight, but maybe a fist/knife/bayonet fight. So if your goal is to survive that fight, you may want a pistol. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:52:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what goes through your mind on Thanksgiving ? I can’t wait to see what goes on in his head on Christmas morning. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:53:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When a man with a .45 meets a man with a rifle, the man with a pistol will be a dead man. That's an old Mexican Proverb...and it's true. Unless your Mike Rousseau…. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:53:46 AM EDT
[#15]
Well I'm thankful OP hasn't stopped thinking about guns today.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:54:05 AM EDT
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Shotgun with birdshot is superior. Meat-from-bone performance without overpenetration.
You could also have the best of both worlds and use a Taurus Judge. Mine fits great in an Uncle Mikes holster. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:54:15 AM EDT
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The Russians and Germans used pistols very successfully in WW2....
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:54:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't tell you how many times we've all heard it, pistols don't win wars and it's true alone, pistols don't. But I can't believe they are a completely insignificant tool for use in wars. I'm just reacting the these shootings that have been taking place recently where the shooters have been using pistols rather than the dreaded "assault rifles". |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:55:38 AM EDT
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I think you are conflating war with self defense.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:55:51 AM EDT
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I'd like to say I am thankful I have a rifle and not just a pistol.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:56:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The shit that comes to some of you on Thanksgiving morning... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me. The shit that comes to some of you on Thanksgiving morning... I saw a guy here say it was just him, his dogs and his guns at his house. Apparently the cutlery, lampshades, curtains, and other inanimate objects at his house don't make the cut. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:57:03 AM EDT
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Get both is the correct answer. Learn to transition between them.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:58:48 AM EDT
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I used to think the whole “use your pistol to get to a rifle” was bullshit.
It’s not. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:00:23 AM EDT
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Pistols are hard to shoot well. Be honest with yourselves, who puts in the work with a pistol to actually engage an active threat? Who is good enough with a pistol to take on a guy with less training on a rifle at 25-50 yards? Rifle wins 75% of the time.
Your post counts are too high to be dry firing like you should be doing. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:03:44 AM EDT
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Didn't Cooper have some line about your pistol being needed to fight your way to your rifle?
Also something about "if you don't think you'll need a gun, have a pistol. if you think you'll need a gun, have a rifle, or better, a rifle and a bunch of friends with their rifles" |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:06:41 AM EDT
[#26]
Well Smith and Wesson didn't name these Combat Magnum and Distinguished Combat Magnum for nothing.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:06:45 AM EDT
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OP is fantasizing about executing civilians, on Thanksgiving Day.
That’s not weird at all. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:08:24 AM EDT
[#28]
Yeah..a AR pistol
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:09:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw a guy here say it was just him, his dogs and his guns at his house. Apparently the cutlery, lampshades, curtains, and other inanimate objects at his house don't make the cut. Truth: I used to investigate insurance liability and when we would conduct origin and cause investigations for fires, the redneck arson check is whether their dogs and guns survived. If both did it was a suspicious fire, guaranteed. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:11:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP is fantasizing about executing civilians, on Thanksgiving Day. That’s not weird at all.  I am politely asking you to not be obtuse. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:11:02 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't tell you how many times we've all heard it, pistols don't win wars and it's true alone, pistols don't. But I can't believe they are a completely insignificant tool for use in wars. I'm just reacting the these shootings that have been taking place recently where the shooters have been using pistols rather than the dreaded "assault rifles". The presence of pistols don’t change the outcomes of wars. They change personal outcomes. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:15:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me. That's why I'm keeping a pistol on me for Thanksgiving today. Happy Thanksgiving, by the way. May you strengthen bonds with trustworthy people and may you mitigate your irritation for the rancid ones. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:16:34 AM EDT
[#33]
Stay strapped or get clapped
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:18:22 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One in five handgun shootings are fatal OP. How many of that 20% were fatal at the scene? How many were immediately fatal? |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:19:03 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: I don't know how many times I've heard it, that pistols are insignificant for use in combat. Pistols don't win wars, but damn if they aren't effective against civilians. If S ever HTF in my AO, I'll have a pistol on me. Artillery wins wars. Rifles and pistols take care of any survivors. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:19:15 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians and Germans used pistols very successfully in WW2.... Like OP said, effective against civilians. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:20:45 AM EDT
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Pistols are for play; rifles are for real. Now it is a little bit awkward taking a rifle to the grocery store. In my book pistols are an excellent exit strategy. I have no intentions of caring on a fire fight with a pistol; I will leave that to the guys who will show up with rifles to go in for the kill.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:20:46 AM EDT
[#38]
The Marine in the center agrees with you OP and disagrees with the title of your post.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:23:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Marine in the center agrees with you OP. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/97684/EC8ABC1C-AE00-43B7-AD3C-C5A8363BB2D7_jpe-2611910.JPG He was a senior NCO. He doesn’t carry a rifle because his job is to coordinate the Marines with rifles. If he truly need a rifle, there would be plenty of them laying around on the ground. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:23:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP is fantasizing about executing civilians, on Thanksgiving Day. That’s not weird at all. https://imgs.search.brave.com/_k4z5s8yfzv1VLNvkKeq0uuRe4lGJRE4Sr3HilPa3To/rs:fit:480:240:1/g:ce/aHR0cDovL2VzcXVp/cmV1ay5jZG5kcy5u/ZXQvMTYvNDYvNDgw/eDI0MC9sYW5kc2Nh/cGUtMTQ3OTIwNjg2/NC1kb25hbGQtdHJ1/bXAtd3JvbmcuZ2lm.gif I am politely asking you to not be obtuse. Obtuse is a word popping up in GD threads today. I’m here for it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:24:10 AM EDT
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I think if you are in a war,engaged in combat,and you are relying on a pistol. Something has gone very,very wrong
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:25:08 AM EDT
[#42]
I wish we lived in a society that would be accepting of us walking around with rifles on us 24/7 if we chose to do so. But since we don’t it is why we edc pistols. It’s better than a sharp stick.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:25:51 AM EDT
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A loaded Beretta M9 is 2.55 lbs, capacity 15+1 rnds. A single USGI Aluminum 30 rnd magazine fully loaded weights 1.1 lbs ea. I’d rather have 2 mags with an extra 60 rnds of 5.56 than a pistol with 16 rnds of 9mm. Weight isn’t free especially when you are in a light infantry role.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:26:22 AM EDT
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Pistols are the means to get to a long gun. Or buy you time to get your long gun back into the fight when it goes down. Or die with a working gun in your hand still giving them a fight.
And society doesn't let you walk around with a long gun. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:27:14 AM EDT
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OIF 1 most of the officers and staff NCOs of the 1st Marine Division only rated pistols and there were not enough stock weapons on hand to issue all of them one. Guys ended up carry a lot of Iraqi pick up weapons by the time they stopped in Tikrit.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:27:53 AM EDT
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Mike Day put in work with his pistol. To be fair though most DEVGRU guys i've heard said they don't carry pistols. It's added weight with little reward.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:30:52 AM EDT
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If you got caught under this, the pistol would come in handy.
 White Phosphorus Muntions over Donetsk, Ukraine |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:31:48 AM EDT
[#48]
I recall hearing about a hospital, maybe in Memphis or St. Louis that treated something like 5000 gunshot wounds a year, and had less than 100 deaths. Most victims walked in and out under their own power.
Handguns suck at killing people. They’re pretty good at convincing people who aren’t wearing armor and aren’t dedicated to harming you to stop trying to harm you. They’re way more convenient than carrying an M1 Garand around with you. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:33:57 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The shit that comes to some of you on Thanksgiving morning...  You remind me of me telling my son "Stop talking about Minecraft!" In the car
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Posted: 11/24/2022 11:35:45 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall hearing about a hospital, maybe in Memphis or St. Louis that treated something like 5000 gunshot wounds a year, and had less than 100 deaths. Most victims walked in and out under their own power. Handguns suck at killing people. They're pretty good at convincing people who aren't wearing armor and aren't dedicated to harming you to stop trying to harm you. They're way more convenient than carrying an M1 Garand around with you. |
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