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Posted: 11/24/2022 1:41:53 AM EDT
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I thought it was YOU who came up with this stuff…
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Posted: 11/24/2022 1:44:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was YOU who came up with this stuff… If was an offshoot of a thread on home made AP. I was in on that part of it. Then the member took the ball and ran with it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 1:44:21 AM EDT
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I think those solid copper bullets from Fort Scott kinda did away with the need. 9mm will go right through soft body armor and pistol rated stuff.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 1:51:37 AM EDT
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But why though?
Steel rod is easier to come by than nickel.. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 1:53:15 AM EDT
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I've tossed this idea around, but I can never make the economics work.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 2:01:40 AM EDT
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was the projectile inserted info a sabot? atlas arms dagney dagger?
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Posted: 11/24/2022 2:02:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But why though? Steel rod is easier to come by than nickel.. Steel is on the no no list for pistol bullets but nickel isn't. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 2:03:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But why though? Steel rod is easier to come by than nickel.. It would fall under a protected class of component, and illegal under the definition of manufacturing ap ammo. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:09:40 AM EDT
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Last I remember, his penetration tests were successful.
Can’t remember anything about accuracy. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:36:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If was an offshoot of a thread on home made AP. I was in on that part of it. Then the member took the ball and ran with it. It would have been awhile back but did you do something on a .22 rim fire case from a penny or something. I don't really remember the specifics and it might not even match my description but do know it was impressive. 
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Posted: 11/24/2022 8:47:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It would have been awhile back but did you do something on a .22 rim fire case from a penny or something. I don't really remember the specifics and it might not even match my description but do know it was impressive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If was an offshoot of a thread on home made AP. I was in on that part of it. Then the member took the ball and ran with it. It would have been awhile back but did you do something on a .22 rim fire case from a penny or something. I don't really remember the specifics and it might not even match my description but do know it was impressive. I recall spent 22 casings being formed into jackets for rifle projectiles. I can’t recall the outcome. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:53:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall spent 22 casings being formed into jackets for rifle projectiles. I can’t recall the outcome. this thread? |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:56:44 AM EDT
[#13]
Rub them in arsenic…
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:58:11 AM EDT
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I haven't bothered with nickel in JHP but I've had a great time with sabots. I made a poor 1895 Nagant revolver holepunch a IIIa vest.
 It's the main reason I'm so interested in .30SC as well. Semi auto legal AP carry gun? Yes please. 
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Posted: 11/24/2022 10:58:46 AM EDT
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It worked based on his tests. I'm waiting for the dagny dagger cause no one started offerings nickle penetrator rounds.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 3:46:48 PM EDT
[#16]
This sounds cool. Tagged.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 3:52:31 PM EDT
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My first guess was Salad Fingers guy but then OP is Salad Fingers guy.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 3:53:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Steel is on the no no list for pistol bullets but nickel isn't. Just curious as to why that is. I thought that it was more of intended purpose and use instead of specific materials. As in designed to penetrate armor. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 3:58:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to why that is. I thought that it was more of intended purpose and use instead of specific materials. As in designed to penetrate armor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Steel is on the no no list for pistol bullets but nickel isn't. Just curious as to why that is. I thought that it was more of intended purpose and use instead of specific materials. As in designed to penetrate armor. Congress wrote it that way. 18 USC § 921(a)(17) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means— (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 4:00:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to why that is. I thought that it was more of intended purpose and use instead of specific materials. As in designed to penetrate armor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Steel is on the no no list for pistol bullets but nickel isn't. Just curious as to why that is. I thought that it was more of intended purpose and use instead of specific materials. As in designed to penetrate armor. No it specifically mentions materials, fortunately because laws are made by retards, because if they just used something like "can penetrate a level II or higher vest" it would fuck over all kinds of pistol rounds and the entire concept of ar15s as pistols. 18 USC 921(a)(17): (B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means— (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 4:04:42 PM EDT
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I remember the thread well, basically every round he tested with the concept, including .380, was able to go through his test vests (soft vests, IIIA? can't remember the rating) except for .40 for some reason.
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Posted: 11/24/2022 4:09:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it specifically mentions materials, fortunately because laws are made by retards, because if they just used something like "can penetrate a level II or higher vest" it would fuck over all kinds of pistol rounds and the entire concept of ar15s as pistols. 18 USC 921(a)(17): (B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means— (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. Thanks. Learn something new every day. Disappointed that I can't have depleted uranium handgun rounds 
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Posted: 11/24/2022 4:11:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall spent 22 casings being formed into jackets for rifle projectiles. I can’t recall the outcome. Called swaging. Most likely predates your birth. The bullet casting guys have been doing it for years. 9mm casing can be made into 40 projectiles in a single pass with the right die |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 4:26:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall spent 22 casings being formed into jackets for rifle projectiles. I can’t recall the outcome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If was an offshoot of a thread on home made AP. I was in on that part of it. Then the member took the ball and ran with it. It would have been awhile back but did you do something on a .22 rim fire case from a penny or something. I don't really remember the specifics and it might not even match my description but do know it was impressive. I recall spent 22 casings being formed into jackets for rifle projectiles. I can’t recall the outcome. That product is how Hornady started |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 4:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My first guess was Salad Fingers guy but then OP is Salad Fingers guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: My first guess was Salad Fingers guy but then OP is Salad Fingers guy. Quoted: I thought it was YOU who came up with this stuff… 
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:57:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That product is how Hornady started Speer as well.. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 12:59:41 PM EDT
[#27]
Well looks like I make up a punch to HP it and hold the 1/8 dia rod in place.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 1:05:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This sounds cool. Tagged. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 1:09:28 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't bothered with nickel in JHP but I've had a great time with sabots. I made a poor 1895 Nagant revolver holepunch a IIIa vest. It's the main reason I'm so interested in .30SC as well. Semi auto legal AP carry gun? Yes please. https://i.imgur.com/gWu9Pkj.jpg?1 Remington Accelerators |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 1:31:47 PM EDT
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Was that they guy that swore by the tactical wheelbarrow.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 1:35:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall spent 22 casings being formed into jackets for rifle projectiles. I can’t recall the outcome. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If was an offshoot of a thread on home made AP. I was in on that part of it. Then the member took the ball and ran with it. It would have been awhile back but did you do something on a .22 rim fire case from a penny or something. I don't really remember the specifics and it might not even match my description but do know it was impressive. I recall spent 22 casings being formed into jackets for rifle projectiles. I can’t recall the outcome. Corbin makes and sells the tools necessary to do that at home. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 6:59:56 PM EDT
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Someone here on arfcom filled 45 acp rounds with lead then ?swagged? them for use in a 45-70.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 7:06:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI was looking for this thread the other day, thanks for putting up a link. All the pictures are gone though...
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Posted: 11/25/2022 7:10:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well looks like I make up a punch to HP it and hold the 1/8 dia rod in place. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 7:17:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. Learn something new every day. Disappointed that I can't have depleted uranium handgun rounds Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No it specifically mentions materials, fortunately because laws are made by retards, because if they just used something like "can penetrate a level II or higher vest" it would fuck over all kinds of pistol rounds and the entire concept of ar15s as pistols. 18 USC 921(a)(17): (B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means— (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. Thanks. Learn something new every day. Disappointed that I can't have depleted uranium handgun rounds 7.62x51mm DU has made it on to the market after research into it ended. You could technically have it if you are willing to write a big enough check. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 7:22:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No it specifically mentions materials, fortunately because laws are made by retards, because if they just used something like "can penetrate a level II or higher vest" it would fuck over all kinds of pistol rounds and the entire concept of ar15s as pistols. 18 USC 921(a)(17): (B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means— (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. There goes my idea of cutting down and reloading 9mm/.40/.45 carbide drill bits.
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Posted: 11/25/2022 7:25:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was looking for this thread the other day, thanks for putting up a link. All the pictures are gone though... https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/Bullet-Swaging-Master-thread-/42-394509/ |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 7:29:22 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryI thought it was just illegal to "manufacture" it, meaning you're producing and selling it for commercial means to the peasants. Making for yourself was acceptable. But I've been wrong before. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 7:38:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There goes my idea of cutting down and reloading 9mm/.40/.45 carbide drill bits. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No it specifically mentions materials, fortunately because laws are made by retards, because if they just used something like "can penetrate a level II or higher vest" it would fuck over all kinds of pistol rounds and the entire concept of ar15s as pistols. 18 USC 921(a)(17): (B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means— (i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile. There goes my idea of cutting down and reloading 9mm/.40/.45 carbide drill bits. Or TIG electrodes.  They'd be banned too since they're made of Tungsten. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 8:05:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how much difference a solid copper round with nickle penetrator would make. I a lead round is already lighter due to the nickle rod, but the added velocity with copper could be interesting. Might be able to do pure PE lvl 3 plates the lead will still be in the bullet. Im thinking jacket, swaged HP then the nickel rod pressed into the HP. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:04:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought it was just illegal to "manufacture" it, meaning you're producing and selling it for commercial means to the peasants. Making for yourself was acceptable. But I've been wrong before. Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Manufacturing any ammunition that meets the AP definition - even if it's not for sale - is illegal without a type 10 FFL. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:10:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall spent 22 casings being formed into jackets for rifle projectiles. I can’t recall the outcome. I’m pretty sure that’s how Speer and Hornady bullets were started. Edit: already covered. Oops. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:11:39 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't bothered with nickel in JHP but I've had a great time with sabots. I made a poor 1895 Nagant revolver holepunch a IIIa vest. It's the main reason I'm so interested in .30SC as well. Semi auto legal AP carry gun? Yes please. https://i.imgur.com/gWu9Pkj.jpg?1 With the popularity of 3D printing, I am surprised there isn't more happening with sabots |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:15:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With the popularity of 3D printing, I am surprised there isn't more happening with sabots Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I haven't bothered with nickel in JHP but I've had a great time with sabots. I made a poor 1895 Nagant revolver holepunch a IIIa vest. It's the main reason I'm so interested in .30SC as well. Semi auto legal AP carry gun? Yes please. https://i.imgur.com/gWu9Pkj.jpg?1 With the popularity of 3D printing, I am surprised there isn't more happening with sabots I'd have to look up the invoice but these were injection molded and a couple of cents each. I have a huge quantity to mess with in 30 cal. I haven't tried filament printing sabots for anything high velocity - just for 40mm pushers and other very low velocity things. I wonder how well various filament types would do at high velocity. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:19:12 AM EDT
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Academic firearm threads are why I pay for this website
I’d buy some rounds. I have no fallacies if needing them; rather, if I can support garage ammosmithing with my dollars I will |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:32:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m pretty sure that’s how Speer and Hornady bullets were started. Edit: already covered. Oops. Wait, what? Can someone explain this to me? |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:47:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, what? Can someone explain this to me? during the 2nd world war. copper was in short supply. to make jackeded bullets, Speer designed a swage to build .224 dia bullets out of 22 brass. RCBS also perused this as well.. Rock Chuck Bullet Swage.. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recall spent 22 casings being formed into jackets for rifle projectiles. I can’t recall the outcome. There used to be a whole website that sold the swaging equiptment to do that. Corbin http://www.corbins.com/kit-224.htm |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 7:54:32 PM EDT
[#49]
I'd be surprised if that didn't affect the accuracy. But I want to stick zippo flints in 22 LR hollow points...
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Posted: 11/26/2022 8:40:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't bothered with nickel in JHP but I've had a great time with sabots. I made a poor 1895 Nagant revolver holepunch a IIIa vest. It's the main reason I'm so interested in .30SC as well. Semi auto legal AP carry gun? Yes please. https://i.imgur.com/gWu9Pkj.jpg?1 I have a SW 642 in 38 spl. Apparently it has a twist of 18.5:1. So I wonder if a sabot could be 3D printed to hold a super light .223 bullet like a 40-45 grain and what sort of velocity it would push. |
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