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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:18:31 AM EDT
[#1]
It will still pass. Probably in a larger and more corrupt fashion that currently proposed.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:19:34 AM EDT
[#2]
Gotta incite the pro Ukraine war people
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:20:26 AM EDT
[#3]
$40b part of $8t in New Federal debt since trump took office.
$40b of a $750b pentagon budget to defeat Russia seems like a deal to me. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:20:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:20:48 AM EDT
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Rand is right.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:21:02 AM EDT
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The Uniparty is the real enemy.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:21:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:21:36 AM EDT
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The Ukrainian border is way more important because of kickbacks.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:21:55 AM EDT
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It says a lot that only 1 republican stands up for us.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:21:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $40b part of $8t in New Federal debt since trump took office. $40b of a $750b pentagon budget to defeat Russia seems like a deal to me. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:22:09 AM EDT
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DJT Jr.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:22:33 AM EDT
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What if I told you dooming the economy was the real goal?
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:23:06 AM EDT
[#13]
 Sen McCain on Sen. Paul: "The Senator from Kentucky is now working for Vladimir Putin." (C-SPAN) |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:23:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $40b part of $8t in New Federal debt since trump took office. $40b of a $750b pentagon budget to defeat Russia seems like a deal to me. Because you either don’t understand what is going on or agree with the planned elimination of the middle class. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:24:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327183/160DC429-A967-455F-AA46-F8095E64C0E4_jpe-2383423.JPG  Ungrateful fucks. How about a thank you for the $54B you’ve already received. Why do they feel entitled to my labor. That money is the result of Americans labor. Fuck Ukraine. I don’t work for them. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:25:03 AM EDT
[#16]
We should not be sending jack shit to any other country.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:26:32 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rand is right. 
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:27:10 AM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:27:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DJT Jr.
That’s likely what’s really going on. 1 - Print money (or steal from our taxes) 2 - Give to Ukraine 3 - Ukraine gives it to US military complex for weapons 4 - Military complex gives money to congress members as donations for re-election |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:27:18 AM EDT
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With all the money spent on the “Cold War”, still seems like a good ROI at the present.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:28:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:28:21 AM EDT
[#22]
US economy is already doomed, the only way to save it is to surrender all assets to a world unified power that will promise to protect it's dependents or subjects. Render unto Caesar what is Kaisers/Czars/?
Solutions will not come from suits/uniforms with tie lapel pins identifying their favorite fraternity. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:29:11 AM EDT
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We've spent enough to pay off every Russian over there, could have had it wrapped up a month ago and had money left over. At best this is going to drag on for years adding hundreds of billions to the budget each year. At worst Putin will get fed up with biden and strike which puts us in a position of having to stop 100% of incoming warheads. Can we even do that? Weather or not we retaliate won't change the fact that just few successful hits can deliver the coup de grass to our already faltering nation.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:29:14 AM EDT
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Rand is all we have left in the federal level.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:30:16 AM EDT
[#25]
Lol, look closer at where the money is really going. Hint, it’s not Ukraine.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:30:35 AM EDT
[#26]
Whatever happened to the anti war left?
They all become stockholders of Northup Grumman/Teledyne/Boeing? |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:31:37 AM EDT
[#27]
keep getting mad about spending in ukraine
it's what good puppets do for the MSM |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:31:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It says a lot that only 1 republican stands up for us. Republican... democrat... they're all our enemies. . |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:33:18 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryWhat a thoroughly rotten human being he was. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:33:38 AM EDT
[#30]
IMO, the title of OP's thread just about sums it up.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:34:24 AM EDT
[#31]
They don't even care to hide their corruption nowadays. They're trying to get every last bit they can before the music stops.
It's going to get ugly 
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:35:59 AM EDT
[#32]
I believe he is right. While I am not above helping out allies, I am not sure how much of an ally Ukraine is and with the money we have already sent,where are all the other nations who want to help. Where is their money/backing? Not to mention accountability with money we send.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:37:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever happened to the anti war left? They all become stockholders of Northup Grumman/Teledyne/Boeing? |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:37:52 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327183/160DC429-A967-455F-AA46-F8095E64C0E4_jpe-2383423.JPG Ungrateful fucks. How about a thank you for the $40B+ you’ve already received. Agreed, I'd laugh if the Russians dropped some artillery on his head. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:37:58 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rand is right. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:38:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if I told you dooming the economy was the real goal? if that was the case you obviously dont understand how little 40 billion is to do that. The trillion dollar 'Covid relief' bills + the trillion dollar 'infrastructure' bill are almost 100 times more than the proposed aid package. Compared to even a 'normal' budget its something like 1.25% or something like that. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:38:25 AM EDT
[#37]
This is the chance many have been waiting for.
A chance to screw Russia hard without having to being kinetic ourselves. I'll admit, this isn't much different than what Russia has been doing against us for more than the last decade. Russia was arming and aiding our enemies in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. They are directly responsible for American lives lost. Many are using this as a chance for payback, and to undermine Russia at the core. The billions being spent are to A) ensure Ukraine doesn't fall under the Russian sphere, but more importantly to many in the west, to B) screw Russia good, wrecking their military and economy for at least the next decade. Regarding the military, much of Russia's military might is on the legacy of the USSR. Ukraine is grinding all of that down rather effectively. As we've seen Russia has been unable to replace this legacy equipment in the post-USSR era, they will be even less able to now. Their military will be significantly less capable and a much lesser threat for a long time. For those worried about WWIII and possibly a combined Russia-China vs the West scenario, this is taking a significant part of the threat (sans nukes) off the table. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:39:30 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It will still pass. Probably in a larger and more corrupt fashion that currently proposed. How are the enemies of the constitution going to line their pockets if there's no pork? How are they going to punish the productive class who work in private industry and pay taxes? |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:41:24 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: if that was the case you obviously dont understand how little 40 billion is to do that. The trillion dollar 'Covid relief' bills + the trillion dollar 'infrastructure' bill are almost 100 times more than the proposed aid package. Compared to even a 'normal' budget its something like 1.25% or something like that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What if I told you dooming the economy was the real goal? if that was the case you obviously dont understand how little 40 billion is to do that. The trillion dollar 'Covid relief' bills + the trillion dollar 'infrastructure' bill are almost 100 times more than the proposed aid package. Compared to even a 'normal' budget its something like 1.25% or something like that. Have you observed any domestic issues the last 2 years? |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:42:17 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the chance many have been waiting for. A chance to screw Russia hard without having to being kinetic ourselves. I'll admit, this isn't much different than what Russia has been doing against us for more than the last decade. Russia was arming and aiding our enemies in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. They are directly responsible for American lives lost. Many are using this as a chance for payback, and to undermine Russia at the core. The billions being spent are to A) ensure Ukraine doesn't fall under the Russian sphere, but more importantly to many in the west, to B) screw Russia good, wrecking their military and economy for at least the next decade. Regarding the military, much of Russia's military might is on the legacy of the USSR. Ukraine is grinding all of that down rather effectively. As we've seen Russia has been unable to replace this legacy equipment in the post-USSR era, they will be even less able to now. Their military will be significantly less capable and a much lesser threat for a long time. For those worried about WWIII and possibly a combined Russia-China vs the West scenario, this is taking a significant part of the threat (sans nukes) off the table. I agree with all of that. So let's make sure that's where the money actually goes. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:42:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do they feel entitled to my labor. That money is the result of Americans labor. Fuck Ukraine. I don’t work for them. Well at least your labor to pay the interest on it because it is all an IOU put upon the backs of the tax payers forever, just like every other dime of debt. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:42:33 AM EDT
[#42]
Helping them with billions is a drop in the bucket. It will have zero effect on the economy. That other thing is what's going to ruin the economy.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:43:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:44:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because you either don't understand what is going on or agree with the planned elimination of the middle class. First, Zelensky and his admin are not the same as the people that were possibly laundering money for/with the Dems. He was elected for the same reasons Trump was. Second, if it was about the US domestic landscape it would have been a multi trillion dollar omnibus spending bill that was describes as an infrastructure bill but was in reality a complete financial reshaping of the US govt...OH! Like the one that was killed a few months ago! Third, the accusation that someone disagrees with your incorrect assessment of giving stuff to Ukriane to fight a proxy war against the Russians somehow being 'agreement with the grift' makes you look like a QTard. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:46:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It says a lot that only 1 republican stands up for us. 95% of the House and Senate are corrupt, treasonous felons who the founders would have ........ Every single one has voted bills into law without reading them. Creating laws that affect 330 million Americans and our children, and those fuckers couldn't take the time to read the damn bill. That alone should be a hanging offense. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:47:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's likely what's really going on. 1 - Print money (or steal from our taxes) 2 - Give to Ukraine 3 - Ukraine gives it to US military complex for weapons 4 - Military complex gives money to congress members as donations for re-election |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:47:44 AM EDT
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They are literally killing our economy. They might as well send troops into Ukraine at this point instead of continually funding a never ending war.
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:48:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for explaining you dont actually understand. First, Zelensky and his admin are not the same as the people that were possibly laundering money for/with the Dems. He was elected for the same reasons Trump was. Second, if it was about the US domestic landscape it would have been a multi trillion dollar omnibus spending bill that was describes as an infrastructure bill but was in reality a complete financial reshaping of the US govt...OH! Like the one that was killed a few months ago! Third, the accusation that someone disagrees with your incorrect assessment of giving stuff to Ukriane to fight a proxy war against the Russians somehow being 'agreement with the grift' makes you look like a QTard. Bust out your check book. Put your money where your mouth is. Libtards spend other people's money. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:48:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems overly complicated when they can just print the money, and then have it delivered to their bank to be deposited. It's not like anyone cares, or is going to do anything about it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's likely what's really going on. 1 - Print money (or steal from our taxes) 2 - Give to Ukraine 3 - Ukraine gives it to US military complex for weapons 4 - Military complex gives money to congress members as donations for re-election It's probably something incredibly stupid like getting invited to more party's with people more powerful than them. |
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Posted: 5/14/2022 11:48:44 AM EDT
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I'm real happy to keep sending defensive weapons to Ukraine, in fact I think we should keep doing so.
But 40 billion in extra defense spending could be put to far better use. Consider, for example that we are retiring the Ticonderoga cruisers as they are apparently just worn out and we don't have a replacement. The Burke destroyers are the ships which are supposed to fill the gaps. But imagine we designed a larger cruiser built along the same lines, using off the shelf components/proven technology, with enough power and space to accommodate future larger VLS cells and laser weapons. We could probably design such a ship rather easily and then build them for about 3 billion each. That would give every carrier battle group a new and very powerful cruiser to act as an escort. Or we could build about 20 more Burke class destroyers. Or 10 more Burke class destroyers and 10 more Virginia class submarines. We could buy another 300-400 F 35 fighters. And that's in one year. Presumably Ukraine will need another 40 billion next year, and 44 billion the year after that, and 48 billion the year after, then 53 billion, then 60 billion... |
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