it should be illegal for anyone to propose such laws.

Easy. No.

No.  And I'm not even a hoarder except for powder.  LGS had 10 1lb jugs of 4895.  I stopped every 3 days until I bought it all.  I could have bought all at once but I was trying to give those dumbasses a chance to get some.

As long as I got coffee, ammo, and women...I don't care.

Anti-horde? Laws against large groups of people?

Hell no.

What about Rationing? You remember when you had to bring your coupon book to the store to get some meat and gas?

yes, the government should totally arrest people for having too much stuff, and confiscate that stuff.
then its approved agents can grade that stuff, and distribute the stuff that's deemed acceptable to more deserving citizens.
what's left can be burned in a pyre to send a message to those thinking of accumulating more than their allotted amount of stuff.

not.

I personally think you should mind your own fucking business, and if you're going to support a law to take what I legally own for no reason other than your feeling about "hording" you should volunteer to show up and enforce it. Hope those plates are ceramic level 4.

Thanks, George!

That is an excellent example of capitalism being the solution for a shortage.

I agree that tar and feathers is a much better solution for many issues than government regulation that often ends up being abused and making things worse.

I've often opined that the difference between hoarding and collecting comes down to storage space.  

If you watch shows like "American Pickers" where the residence is neat and organized, but they have a barn or metal building out back packed to the gills, they are a "collector" in spite of having mountains of crap piled up.  Move that same crap indoors, and now you're a hoarder.

Bill gates is hoarding dollars.  It must be stopped immediately!  He's preventing others from using those dollars and they need to be distributed to those who need them in these times of crisis.

Anti-hoarding laws are just a looting permit for the government.

You understand that's not what that cartoon showed us right? It showed us to help each other no matter the circumstances and that while you know the grasshopper is useless, don't let him die if it doesn't really hurt you much.

Op be hoarding precious site resources

Anti-hording ?

Listen, if I want to form a loose federation of Central Asian horse clans and conquer the known world, I’ll fucking do it, and I’ll be goddamned if the government will tell me I can’t.

#empty shelves Biden thread

Why is it that whenever we don't like something, we try to create new laws...

I love this site, where among the hardcore "Muh freedom!"-types there are always some wondering if we need more laws.

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Why not an Anti-dog-eat-dog rule too while we're at it.

OP wants to hoard women's votes or something.

I've been here a lot less time than OP and I know how the majority of ArfCom feels about this topic. It's like these threads are made to get positive reinforcement and ArfCom internet points.

Devil's in the details, but any "law" is just permission to "bend the law", so I agree that when it does happen, the intent of the law will be ignored.  

50 U.S.C. § 4512. Hoarding of designated scarce materials is tied the Defensive Production Act (DPA).  The hoarding provision under the DPA has never meaningfully been litigated, we don’t know for sure what its limits are, or even if it would stand up in court as a criminal offense.

This was addressed by the former swamp-critter AG Barr, saying

The DOJ “isn’t interested in “consumers or businesses stockpiling supplies for their own operations, prosecutors are concerned instead about “people hoarding these goods and materials on an industrial scale for the purpose of manipulating the market and ultimately deriving windfall profits.”

Again, it’s not an issue until it is, but that “Anti-Hoarding” provision wasn’t meant for your food stocks or your personal collection of beanie babies that the President deems scarce and essential for our National Defense, listing those materials in the DPA under emergency conditions.

I do, however, believe it will eventually be used outside the parameters of the DPA, the courts won’t take any law suites, and local-level bureaucrats will expeditiously take liberties on how enforcement will be defined. For this government, it’s only unconstitutional if the SCOTUS opines, and even if they do disagree, no local, state, or federal agency is willing to stop unconstitutional actions by the executive branch when the legislative branch bickers about pay raises or mean Tweets, and the media ignores any stories about tyrannical violations of Constitutional Rights...

Yeah, "hoarding" for personal reasons is not illegal, or likely to be enforced....yet...

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Threads everywhere .  You are on a roll

I'm a planner. Not sure what all this hoarding talk is about.

I think there is an immoral aspect to it if you are intentionally taking more than you need of a necessity to create or
Exacerbate shortages so you can capitalize off of them.

But I don’t think it should be illegal. Primarily because proving that sort of intention is nigh impossible. It’s human nature to try to hoard necessities in times of scarcity simply based on fear of running out yourself. Not to mention how one would even define what constitutes a necessity or enough of it in a way that could differentiate between panic buying and immoral hoarding.

Ultimately, I think retailers limiting sales quantities per customer is probably the way it should be handled. The stores gets to say what’s what with the goods they own and the consumer can reward or punish the retailer with future business if the customer wants to do so.

BuckDelta19 - your suggestion raises the issue of central control, planning and rationing.  Go back to bed and please rethink it.  You can do better.

Some is pretty bored today, but no.

People should have more foresight than they do.

Yep, there definitely should be anti-hording laws enacted.

I mean, who wouldn't want another Mongolian Horde pre-emptively stopped?

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The government is willing to send people to kill you and confiscate your possessions.

The only question is how difficult will you make it for them?

I've been hoarding cash now for about 30 years, should the government come and take it? I know that talk has been about taking it because others haven't saved for their own retirement so "they" want to make sure everyone has a equal footing. so redistribution is the plan.

I can eat all of my candy now or eat a little bit at a time to make it last longer.

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Just understand that Hording laws will be written in a way that covers YOU and the supplies YOU put back for emergencies...... From Each According To His Ability To Each According To His Need, Comrade.

Be careful what you ask for-any government powerful enough to give you everything you ask for is also strong enough to take everything you have.

THANK you.

No. Who, other than yourself, determines how much of anything that you should have? Nobody including Governments have a Right to determine what or how much of something that you have.