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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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USA
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Posted: 11/23/2022 3:02:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: There is a prison society (gangsters) in Russia known as "thieves in law". They have a tattoo hierarchy and refuse to cooperate with any government agency. I would doubt this man is a member. They are anarchists and refuse to work for anyone. Considering that picture is Post Malone and Garand Thumb..... |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2022 3:10:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Interesting perspective. Thanks. Just my opinion. I arrived in the USA when I was 7 so all I have is my parent's and grandparent's stories of back home. Although I have lots of family in Hungary and Romania and have visited a lot. I'm 100% sure Jozsi and some others have much better and closer knowledge of Hungarian/Ukrainian politics. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 3:15:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: 1- If Poland wanted Kaliningrad it would be Polish in about 5 hours and there's fuck all short of NBC the Russians could do about it. 2- Not sure if the talk of using "Phosphorus" has become the new "thermobaric" and is supposed to be viewed as some shocking deviation from the norm. Nah, all they got left is the N. Last refuge of the conventionally incompetent. If they tried "B" or "C", they'd f- themselves, probably. Like China did with COVID. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 3:23:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AeroE]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Boeing was a decent company until the MD "reverse takeover" and injection of corrupt MD leadership. Removing the criminal leadership at Boeing is honestly a national security issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack67: Originally Posted By AlabamaFan64: I know they're involved in quite a few things and Congress isn't going to let them go away. I really thought Boeing was a good company until Airbus wanted to build the tankers here and Boeing management and some of the congressmen they owned started a cheap smear campaign aimed at people in another city. Boeing was a decent company until the MD "reverse takeover" and injection of corrupt MD leadership. Removing the criminal leadership at Boeing is honestly a national security issue. Inside the company and a project is the only way to know the truth. Public perception is expensive. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 3:45:16 PM EDT
[#5]
"Stuhna Missiles Help Ukrainian Troops Keep Russian Armor At Bay Near Bakhmut"  Stuhna Missiles Help Ukrainian Troops Keep Russian Armor At Bay Near Bakhmut |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 3:53:02 PM EDT
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"Ukrainian soldiers entered the house where the Russians were hiding: Fierce shooting"  Ukrainian soldiers entered the house where the Russians were hiding: fierce shooting |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 3:58:23 PM EDT
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"A Harrowing Journey Under Fire To Evacuate Frontline Ukrainian Towns"  A Harrowing Journey Under Fire To Evacuate Frontline Ukrainian Towns |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 4:14:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: 1- If Poland wanted Kaliningrad it would be Polish in about 5 hours and there's fuck all short of NBC the Russians could do about it. 2- Not sure if the talk of using "Phosphorus" has become the new "thermobaric" and is supposed to be viewed as some shocking deviation from the norm. Putins Ministry of Truth making sure Russians think they have to defend their country. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 4:26:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DKUltra: That guy is rapper Post Malone https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/110810/DA609A52-E666-46F2-9666-D04BB3F44AD3_jpe-2611017.JPG Yep. The other guy is a gun YouTuber that goes by Garand Thumb, or Flannel Daddy to his fans. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 4:32:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: How do we know the UA haven't tried this on multiple times already? They did try to hit a base on Putin's birthday, same day as the kerch bridge strike. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stgdz: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: Originally Posted By uxb: Someone needs to start splashing some Bears. Most certainly. 1. I would be building up at least 100 of those new kamikaze drones that have 1,000km range. 2. Send them at very low altitude at night along multiple waypoints to avoid known Russian SAM sites and make sure 33 drones arrive at the same time at the 3 Russian airbases that they use for these air launched cruise missile attacks. 3. Hit every known working bomber, if there are extra drones, hit high value targets like the A-50 AWACS parked at some of the same airbases, don't forget to hit any ammunition dumps like the cruise missiles for the aircraft. Any additional targets would be the pilots barracks. It needs to be a large enough attack to overwhelm local defenses with surprise. Most of the Ukrainian long range attacks unfortunately seem to have been a limited number of drones with little to show for a result. 4. Profit? How do we know the UA haven't tried this on multiple times already? They did try to hit a base on Putin's birthday, same day as the kerch bridge strike. Unfortunately, it seems the long range attacks Ukraine has done with flying drones has not had much of an impact. I'm just proposing that they need more systems to overwhelm the Russian defenses and do enough damage to have a profound effect in one big attack. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 4:34:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlmightyTallest]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: No specifics at all in that article. I'd hate to have any of the UAF's HIMARS sitting with empty tubes..... CMOS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMOS: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: It is supplied monthly, and according to the U.S. they said they were not having trouble keeping Ukraine supplied at the rates they are using it. Recent article. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-pentagon-holds-news-briefing-as-russia-continues-its-barrage-on-ukraines-energy-grid No specifics at all in that article. I'd hate to have any of the UAF's HIMARS sitting with empty tubes..... CMOS Unfortunately, there is never specifics on how many rounds we supply and how many they are using, other than them deciding what they get and to say we arent worried about supplying them with enough. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 4:34:51 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime:
Looks like a prairie dog hunt. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2022 4:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Erno86: "A Harrowing Journey Under Fire To Evacuate Frontline Ukrainian Towns"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD7OO05mbpg
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Posted: 11/23/2022 4:45:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 5:00:09 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Soon there will be no such thing as a safe space. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jungatheart: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: That always seemed like an extremely cool and promising option. Basically like a rocket launched mini airstrike the way it can fly in a 360 degree pattern. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP883020gE0Soon there will be no such thing as a safe space. If it works as advertised and if it can be produced in the numbers promised. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 5:08:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI noticed over the years that Iran being under sanctions didn’t produce many complaints from Tehran until Trump took office. Apparently sanctions with past presidents weren’t as strict or weren’t being enforced. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 5:12:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThose are or were nice large houses. Blowing up Beverly Hills
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2022 5:25:05 PM EDT
[#18]
Drone drop on a couple orcs.
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Posted: 11/23/2022 5:27:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 5:34:08 PM EDT
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2022 5:58:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: It's really quite simple. With high population density in an agrarian society, you need to minimize the number of people feeding off the land in your neighborhood to survive. For obvious reasons, you start by eliminating those who speak different language and prey in a different way. You kill one of theirs, they kill one of yours, now you're in a Hatfield and McCoy on steroids territory. It may be difficult to understand for someone whose ancestors stepped off the boat and immediately grabbed a piece of land the size of Rhode Island with nobody opposing them. North of Mexico was almost all English speaking and various sorts of Christian. South of the US, Spanish speaking and Roman Catholic. Quite homogenous compared to Europe. By the end of the US War with Mexico, the major border lines were complete and generally not going to be contested. (Of course, had the European imperialists discovered the mineral wealth of western North America before being booted by revolutions or just a lack of interest, things would have been different.) Europe, otoh, was a seething mass of historical claims, insults, religious violence, Empires rising and falling, greedy, incompetent, inbred aristocrats, countries and borders by marriage, or imposed by councils, kings or Popes, starving artists, dictators, nationalists, communists, fascists, peasants and serfs, university students, memories and grudges. Many of those coming to America did so to leave that mess behind. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 6:05:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m00ler03: Drone drop on a couple orcs.
Looks like the squirter took it right in the nuts. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 6:28:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Looks like the squirter took it right in the nuts. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Originally Posted By m00ler03: Drone drop on a couple orcs.
Looks like the squirter took it right in the nuts. Damn the guy sticks his head out of the hole. Looks like it got him right in the face. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:00:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/Novosibirsk_PNG-2608615.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgkAq1cXkAQy1Id?format=jpg&name=4096x4096 Wow...good. Not enough of them apparently, though. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:06:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Looks like the squirter took it right in the nuts. If you run, you'll just die tired. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: Next wave of attacks coming in. ⚠️Enemy aviation activity, Engels airfield!
5 Russian missile launches reported by Governor Kim https://t.me/mykolaivskaODA/3549 From other aircraft in the Mariupol area https://t.me/mykolaivskaODA/3550
Explosions are reported in the Odessa region. We check the information. DEATH TO THE RUSSIAN OCCUPANTS! https://t.me/dumskaya_net/47314 ❗️ The launch of missiles from the eastern direction was recorded. 🚀
‼️ 10 Tu-95 launches are reported at 12:40 p.m
"Two rockets fly to Zaporozhye, and one from Melitopol to Kryvyi Rih."
SKETCHY SOURCE
Dnipropetrovsk region, air defense is working! We don't post anything on social media! @Easterner https://t.me/mykola_lukashuk/2479 Dnipro government There is a threat of a missile strike, missile launches have been recorded. Please stay in shelters, no target information available at this time. The terrorist country of the Russian Federation has again taken up its own. Intimidation of the civilian population, pressure. Today, MEPs will vote on the resolution recognizing Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. So, Russia decided to demonstratively "play its muscles" again. https://t.me/mykola_lukashuk/2478
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiPpP_XXgAAdN9I?format=jpg&name=medium
Smoke is visible in the region https://t.me/dnepr_operativ A rocket is heading from Konotop to Kyiv 🚀...
Explosion in Mykolaiv
Explosions rang out in the Kremenchutsky district kop.net.ua/u-kremechutsko… Explosions are reported in the Kremenchutskyi district, the air defense is working as a preliminary.
⚡️Explosions are heard in Kremenchuk district of Poltava region, subscribers report. Previously, air defense is working. We are waiting for official information.
A group of rockets is flying through Lozova in the direction of the Dnieper, be careful!
‼️They are reporting a rocket in the direction of Zaporizhzhia - it was seen two minutes ago by Orihiv https://t.me/info_zp Approximately 20 cruise missiles were launched over Ukraine.
Missiles headed to Odesa https://t.me/mykolaivskaODA/3552
“Arrivals” in Odesa https://t.me/chatodessa000/645436 groups of rockets in the direction of Kyiv Oblast, Vinnytsia Oblast may change direction
Flight of 8 rockets over Kremenchuk!
Air defenses active in Kyiv
Air defenses active in Mykolaiv https://t.me/oleksiihoncharenko ❗Unfortunately, there is a blow to the Dnipro beforehand.
Multiple explosions in Kyiv, with power outage
Left bank area of Kyiv Guess it wasn’t enough to just get the maternity ward. Explosions in Vinnytsia Channel about Vinnytsia: https://t.me/kievreal1/31634 God damn it. It almost looks like general armagedon is more competent (and savage) than the previous russian generals. He convinced putin to allow him to pull the troops out of kherson before they were destroyed, in spite of the obvious embarrassment to the nation. Now he is bombing the shit out of the power that is needed by the civilians, and also needed by the military. Shipping lots and lots of small generators seems like a descent plan at this point. Good generators would be good, but LOTS of generators would be better. This is only going to harden the Ukranian people. Some body smarter than me said it looks like russia is now going to destroy the stuff they thought they were going to be able to steal. Shit. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:19:28 PM EDT
[#27]
Putin looks like shit
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest: ISW assessment for November 22nd. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-22 |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:33:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CharlieR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alex9661: It's really quite simple. With high population density in an agrarian society, you need to minimize the number of people feeding off the land in your neighborhood to survive. For obvious reasons, you start by eliminating those who speak different language and prey in a different way. You kill one of theirs, they kill one of yours, now you're in a Hatfield and McCoy on steroids territory. It may be difficult to understand for someone whose ancestors stepped off the boat and immediately grabbed a piece of land the size of Rhode Island with nobody opposing them. It is difficult for me to understand as you make no sense. Compare the population density of Massachusetts, where you claim you are from, with Germany or France. By your logic Massachusetts should declare war on someone to avoid famine. The idea that European wars were based on a desire to kill ones own population to survive and fend off famine is not right. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:43:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: No frigging doubt... It's way passed time to keep allowing this shit.. take out the Bears Failing to do so is driven by the same mindset that resisted mining Haiphong Harbor. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 7:45:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Whatever happened of the hyped up switchblade attack drones? There was supposed to be a lot of anticipated videos of this things zoning in on russian SAMs etc, after getting shot out of mortar tubes. Did they never get many or any? Or did they fizzle out and prove to be ineffective or duds? I saw one video where they were used for an assassination against some HVT. They're basically flying snipers designed to take out a single guy / a few guys standing right next to each other. Basically a 40mm grenade with wings. Compared to the M777 and HIMARS, or even many of the drone drop quadcopters, they just dont really compare. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:27:53 PM EDT
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https://defence-blog.com/ukrainian-drone-shows-giant-tank-graveyard-in-russia/
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:29:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CharlieR: It is difficult for me to understand as you make no sense. Compare the population density of Massachusetts, where you claim you are from, with Germany or France. By your logic Massachusetts should declare war on someone to avoid famine. The idea that European wars were based on a desire to kill ones own population to survive and fend off famine is not right. Ok, I guess I'm a lousy teacher. In Massachusetts we typically buy our food in supermarkets and don't rely on the four tomato plants that we grow in our 6,000 sq ft backyards for survival. That's totally different from ancient or medieval Europe where extra land meant more chances to survive and people across the river who spoke a different dialect and maybe even prayed to a different god were fair game. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: I saw one video where they were used for an assassination against some HVT. They're basically flying snipers designed to take out a single guy / a few guys standing right next to each other. Basically a 40mm grenade with wings. Compared to the M777 and HIMARS, or even many of the drone drop quadcopters, they just dont really compare. And a 10 km range. Very useful to exceed the range of ATGMs for soft and HVT. Small enough for a front line soldier to have one with his kit. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:33:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis would make a great brrrrrrt video. 
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:39:28 PM EDT
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Russians using trash bags as tarps. Sooo close to being a good idea (as we discussed earlier) but these fucking tards left a hole in the roof to allow the drone to spot them, and drop grenades in.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/z1yeka/russian_soldier_hiding_inside_a_black_bag_gets/ |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:49:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: The secret is ingredient isn’t crime per se. it’s grease. You didn’t grease the skids enough, or at all most likely. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Originally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By THOT_Vaccine: The secret ingredient is crime. Yeah this stuff had tungsten cores, needed a police letter all that, they said nope. The secret is ingredient isn’t crime per se. it’s grease. You didn’t grease the skids enough, or at all most likely. I doubt the Swiss are willing to break laws that hurt their number two bank account stash friends. 18k isn’t even the realm of peanuts. I doubt a legit 2 million round contract would convince them to revise their laws. It’s funny because the rifles that shot the maidan protestors were mostly B&T purchased under a Russian puppet contract. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:55:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I think calling it a repair depot is far more accurate. That place needs to burn. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m35ben: I think calling it a repair depot is far more accurate. That place needs to burn. If any place ever needed a clobbering, that place is high on the list. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:56:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: My Ukrainian family lived in the area where Hungary invaded. I dont forget. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By SBR300BLK: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral. There are many arbitrary borders in Europe post WW2. Europeans don't forget. My Ukrainian family lived in the area where Hungary invaded. I dont forget. Hungary even had secret passport centers and encouraged Ukrainians to get Hungarian citizenship for travel and SS benefits. SBU sting shut it down. The whole Ukraine destroying Hungarian language by making it illegal etc. all Kremlin/Orban ploys while playing the anti immigrant nationalism (immigration from Middle East that was a combined Russian mafia and GRU op. They went around refugee camps and paid/lied to Syrians etc and set up rides to Greece. Hopefully Orban goes, he’s turned Hungary into a Belorussian type arrangement or that’s the Russian intent. Easy access to Serbia and Moldova. That was all part of the master plan. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 8:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ContraHQ: And a 10 km range. Very useful to exceed the range of ATGMs for soft and HVT. Small enough for a front line soldier to have one with his kit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ContraHQ: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: I saw one video where they were used for an assassination against some HVT. They're basically flying snipers designed to take out a single guy / a few guys standing right next to each other. Basically a 40mm grenade with wings. Compared to the M777 and HIMARS, or even many of the drone drop quadcopters, they just dont really compare. And a 10 km range. Very useful to exceed the range of ATGMs for soft and HVT. Small enough for a front line soldier to have one with his kit. That's the 300. The 600 is a flying Javelin warhead. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:02:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: I cannot speak for Jozsi but I think it is possible there was some deal between Putin and Orban. I'd hate to believe it since I support Orban and think his domestic policies are good for Hungary. But there does seem to be some personal animus between Orban and Zelensky and conversely some friendly gestures towards Putin. As an ethnic Hungarian, I'd much rather see closer ties and friendly relations with neighbors who now hold ex-territories. Hungary is 1/4 of it's Greater Hungary size because of stupid military adventurism in WWI and II and I'd hate to see Hungary on the wrong side of another war. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral, but I believe you disagreed with my conclusion. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Etnos0.gif/250px-Etnos0.gif Ethnic map of Zakarpattia Oblast in 2001 PINK- Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) GREEN- Hungarians YELLOW- Romanians BLUE- mixed Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) and Russians https://i.ibb.co/4Z98gkR/20221123-122343.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yq5wNcW/20221123-122403.jpg https://i.ibb.co/GkbDnx0/20221123-122429.jpg Understand that I am NOT being confrontational with you, I am interested in your opinion now that this photo of Orbon was posted. I cannot speak for Jozsi but I think it is possible there was some deal between Putin and Orban. I'd hate to believe it since I support Orban and think his domestic policies are good for Hungary. But there does seem to be some personal animus between Orban and Zelensky and conversely some friendly gestures towards Putin. As an ethnic Hungarian, I'd much rather see closer ties and friendly relations with neighbors who now hold ex-territories. Hungary is 1/4 of it's Greater Hungary size because of stupid military adventurism in WWI and II and I'd hate to see Hungary on the wrong side of another war. Wrong, Hungary and his party have received Russian gas money. He’s bought a payed for, as much as I dislike open borders, it’s a chink in western armor Russia has really targeted via “hybrid war” it’s a common link to keep them in power. The sweet Russian money rolled in, guys were compromised never seeing what Russias long term plan was. It’s a simple rule in prison, if you find a piece of cake on your bed, “Don’t eat it” as tasty as it might be. The cake comes with a price. Think Russian guys, that’s are problem. We can’t think like them so we can’t effectively see them coming or fight in the non- kinetic arena. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:06:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JethroActual: Hungary was excessively punished after WW1. No other country lost as much land. The punishment for losing WW1 is still a factor, and still a sore point for Hungarians. Hungarians (from what I'm told) are treated poorly in Romania. Organized crime in Hungary from Ukraine is also a big deal. It's a giant complicated mess. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JethroActual: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral, but I believe you disagreed with my conclusion. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/13/Etnos0.gif/250px-Etnos0.gif Ethnic map of Zakarpattia Oblast in 2001 PINK- Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) GREEN- Hungarians YELLOW- Romanians BLUE- mixed Ukrainians (incl. Rusyns) and Russians https://i.ibb.co/4Z98gkR/20221123-122343.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yq5wNcW/20221123-122403.jpg https://i.ibb.co/GkbDnx0/20221123-122429.jpg Understand that I am NOT being confrontational with you, I am interested in your opinion now that this photo of Orbon was posted. Hungary was excessively punished after WW1. No other country lost as much land. The punishment for losing WW1 is still a factor, and still a sore point for Hungarians. Hungarians (from what I'm told) are treated poorly in Romania. Organized crime in Hungary from Ukraine is also a big deal. It's a giant complicated mess. The crime is typically smugglers of ethnic Hungarian decent trading with other Eastern European gangs. It’s also played up in Hungarian news to strengthen his political position. That smuggling is cigarette and occasional Aks etc. it’s nothing compared to Mexico not even 1/10 of 1%. It’s politics to stoke Hungarian nationalism, keep Orban in power as a Russian yes man who fucks up NATO. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:18:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: That's the 300. The 600 is a flying Javelin warhead. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dracster: Originally Posted By ContraHQ: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: I saw one video where they were used for an assassination against some HVT. They're basically flying snipers designed to take out a single guy / a few guys standing right next to each other. Basically a 40mm grenade with wings. Compared to the M777 and HIMARS, or even many of the drone drop quadcopters, they just dont really compare. And a 10 km range. Very useful to exceed the range of ATGMs for soft and HVT. Small enough for a front line soldier to have one with his kit. That's the 300. The 600 is a flying Javelin warhead. My misread. Thanks for the correction 
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:18:21 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Hungary even had secret passport centers and encouraged Ukrainians to get Hungarian citizenship for travel and SS benefits. SBU sting shut it down. The whole Ukraine destroying Hungarian language by making it illegal etc. all Kremlin/Orban ploys while playing the anti immigrant nationalism (immigration from Middle East that was a combined Russian mafia and GRU op. They went around refugee camps and paid/lied to Syrians etc and set up rides to Greece. Hopefully Orban goes, he’s turned Hungary into a Belorussian type arrangement or that’s the Russian intent. Easy access to Serbia and Moldova. That was all part of the master plan. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By SBR300BLK: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: @Jozsi Comments please. Remember when I bought up about Hitler promising SW Ukraine to Hungary when Hungary invaded Ukraine? (Around page 1168.) And I also mentioned how Hungary pumps money into the area of Ukraine with a higher Hungarian population- those areas fly the Hungarian flag and many street signs are in Hungarian. I assumed that Putin promised this area to Orbon if Russia defeated Ukraine in return for staying neutral. There are many arbitrary borders in Europe post WW2. Europeans don't forget. My Ukrainian family lived in the area where Hungary invaded. I dont forget. Hungary even had secret passport centers and encouraged Ukrainians to get Hungarian citizenship for travel and SS benefits. SBU sting shut it down. The whole Ukraine destroying Hungarian language by making it illegal etc. all Kremlin/Orban ploys while playing the anti immigrant nationalism (immigration from Middle East that was a combined Russian mafia and GRU op. They went around refugee camps and paid/lied to Syrians etc and set up rides to Greece. Hopefully Orban goes, he’s turned Hungary into a Belorussian type arrangement or that’s the Russian intent. Easy access to Serbia and Moldova. That was all part of the master plan. Thanks. That is interesting - great info. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:33:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Prime]
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https://www.flightglobal.com/military-uavs/iranian-made-drones-recovered-in-ukraine-contain-us-components/151087.article?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=Sendible&utm_campaign=RSS 80% US components.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/11/21/ukraine-has-a-secret-resistance-operating-behind-russian-lines/ 
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:37:43 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m:
 So fucken what... .Stalin stole those parts of Hungary anyways. Orban as much as he is a tard he's not asking for it back but greater Hungary was what it was. I have that one map also...doesn't mean I want any of that back... Like it or not....those areas were stolen... Doesn't mean dibly squat today....doesn't mean we want it back nor have interest. https://vimeo.com/350703663 |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:48:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mickdog13: I can assure you that a certain manufacturer you mentioned, been spooling up ALL SUMMER LONG. They have added a large percentage to their workforce. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mickdog13: Originally Posted By Kagetora: An understandable point of view, but while we sit on our hands waiting for Lockheed/Boeing/Whoever to gear up and deliver things, how many more Ukrainians die, how much more time do we give Russia to consolidate? If 18 HIMARS can put Russia on their heels like this, why haven't we sent 100, and kept 300 back for ourselves? Ditto with every other weapon system we own, that I've helped pay for? 75% of our stockpile would seem to be enough to deal with, well...ANYTHING. I can assure you that a certain manufacturer you mentioned, been spooling up ALL SUMMER LONG. They have added a large percentage to their workforce. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:50:42 PM EDT
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I know most people won't have any idea about what I'm referring to, but I think a drone based on the Cessna A-37 Dragonfly would be perfect for Ukraine.
Strafing runs with the mini-gun and rockets/bombs as needed. Fly it just over the tree tops, striking troops and light vehicles as needed. Hellfires for harder targets. Build it as cheaply as possible, consider it disposable. Perhaps a .50 BMG mini-gun (the current three barrel version) could be an option. |
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Posted: 11/23/2022 9:53:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gentlemanfarmer: The crime is typically smugglers of ethnic Hungarian decent trading with other Eastern European gangs. It’s also played up in Hungarian news to strengthen his political position. That smuggling is cigarette and occasional Aks etc. it’s nothing compared to Mexico not even 1/10 of 1%. It’s politics to stoke Hungarian nationalism, keep Orban in power as a Russian yes man who fucks up NATO. Sounds like Hungary needs to be booted from nato |
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