Need ref. for online discussion about M16 A3 & A4

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Need ref. for online discussion about M16 A3 & A4

Posted: 5/24/2001 8:52:19 PM EDT

Basic argument going on is he's saying that because Colt is saying the M16 A3 is the military designated flattop model and that makes it so(also because of Janes, don't go there I've seen misprints). I'm saying that the M16 A4 is the military designated flattop and that manufacturers have gotten it wrong.

Yes, I know about the Armalite FAQ and it's something I'm gonna post. I need more though, as official as possible PLEASE. I'd love it if the Naval Surface Warfare Center had pictures of an M16 A4 and maybe a R&D description run down.

Posted: 5/24/2001 9:03:38 PM EDT

[#1]

The A3 in the military looks exactly the same as the A2. The difference is that the A2 is semi or three shot burst and the A3 has full a full auto setting on the selector as well as the other two. The A4 is the military flat top. I have a friend in the army who verifies this and I have read it several places. This is probably not official enough, but my 2 cents worth.

All the manufacturers do have it wrong except ArmaLite.

Posted: 5/24/2001 9:10:52 PM EDT

[#2]

Rock River Arms calls their flattops A4s as well.

I just need to get it as official as possible, something like a military procurement order where the description of the A3 and A4 would be there in nitpicking detail and all it's glory.

I've seen the info for the A4 out there too but it's all been written or summarized by the person who wrote the page, hardly factual.

Posted: 5/24/2001 11:45:38 PM EDT

[#3]

uglygun, there's too much in those "sarda" Army acat sequence files to go through in a week, but it looks like [u]you[/u] are right.

There's some GREAT toys in "under two-million dollar" lists! I want one of those "tactical silenced generators" (They're NOT under 2 mil), and, one case of each type of 5.56 tracers (there's only about twenty), and, and.....

Posted: 5/24/2001 11:47:43 PM EDT

[#4]

It's gonna take a lot more than what's in those links, can't say I found mention of the M16 A3 or the A4 anywhere in those links either.

Thing is I can't goof around with this guy, he knows his stuff really well and that's an understatement. It's just that I've been hearing the A3/A4 debate for a few years now and I want to find some actual, laid out on the table, proof of one or the other.

I actually found a spot on the web where it lists the A3 and the A4 as both being flattops with one version being a "safe,semi,burst" trigger group and the other being a "safe,semi,full" trigger group and aside from that they are identical.

Posted: 5/25/2001 12:11:58 AM EDT

[#5]

If you can make it through the whacky military files for a while, you keep running across references to the M-4, but M-3 seems to mean the .45 H&K buzz-gun they were going to adopt a while back. Still haven't found it.
No way the part of their M-4 description (that mentions the M-3) is proof enough for him...?

Re:

"CG, TACOM (DIR, ACALA) Carbine, M4 TACOM-ACALA PFDOS IV The M4 Carbine is a smaller, lighter version of the M16A2 rifle. It is a 5.56mm, gas operated, air-cooled, magazine-fed, selective rate shoulder fired weapon. It is fed by a 30 round aluminum magazine and is designed for use in close quarters. It is the fleet replacement weapon for the .45 caliber M3 submachine gun and selected M9 and M16 series weapons."

[url]http://www.sarda.army.mil/acat/mda_seq.htm[/url]

Posted: 5/25/2001 12:18:07 AM EDT

[#6]

Naw, the M3 is a WWII submachine gun chambered in 45ACP known as the "grease gun", yeah the M4 was replacing something that old. Atleast within the articles of that report that's what it was said to replace.

Posted: 5/25/2001 1:13:52 AM EDT

[#7]

"Naw, M3... "grease gun"

[brainfart] Oops, forgot about that! [/brainfart]

And I just lost the damned "M" seq.... again!

[url]http://www.sarda.army.mil/acat/mda_seq.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.sarda.army.mil/acat/mda_seq.htm[/url]

[url]http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~heithier/m16_page_files/indexm16.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.bwl.uni-mannheim.de/Dekanat/homepages/alexv/military.htm[/url]

[url]http://www.leconsulting.com/arthurhu/99/08/m60.txt[/url]

[url]http://www.hayner.net/part3.htm[/url] (Can't believe you can get into this - personnel)

[url]http://www.mulberrybook.com/new_page_4.htm[/url]

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