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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:42:42 AM EDT
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"Died from" or "died after they had it"? Seems like the same discrepancy that was used in counting COVID deaths. Some people had it when they died, some people died from it yet there was no distinction in the reporting.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:45:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Died from" or "died after they had it"? Seems like the same discrepancy that was used in counting COVID deaths. Some people had it when they died, some people died from it yet there was no distinction in the reporting. Objectively speaking, this. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:46:54 AM EDT
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What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%?
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:47:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Died from" or "died after they had it"? Seems like the same discrepancy that was used in counting COVID deaths. Some people had it when they died, some people died from it yet there was no distinction in the reporting. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:47:48 AM EDT
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First it's not a vaccine.
Second it's not FDA approved but FDA authorized. Let someone else play guinea pig. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:48:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First it's not a vaccine. Second it's not FDA approved but FDA authorized. Let someone else play guinea pig. There was no need for animal testing. . . . . . YOU ARE THE ANIMAL TESTING. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:48:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? And the people who received the jab and then became sick with covid? The stuff never went through normal testing and those receiving it are the test sample. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:49:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn't die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? As for me, I am not taking the experimental gene therapy. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:51:30 AM EDT
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I don't think they should shut the vaccine down, but I do think this kind of data gives validity to people who do not want to get the vax and would prefer to wait for more data before putting it in their bodies...
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:54:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think they should shut the vaccine down, but I do think this kind of data gives validity to people who do not want to get the vax and would prefer to wait for more data before putting it in their bodies... I wish at the very least the caregivers would be required to tell each patient the facts about how it was rushed into distribution without going through the normal evaluation process. That would at least allow people to decide intelligently instead of all the hysteria over "get it now get it now get it now".  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:54:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? Over a vaccination against a cold with a 99.9% survival rate? Yes. That doesn’t include the people that are crippled by it also like my wife’s friend now In a wheelchair. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:55:11 AM EDT
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Just when I thought the world couldn't get stupider.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:55:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? Under the same reasoning that we shut the country down and have been in this mess for the last year+, we should halt use of the covid shots. Now, neither is the correct answer - just if we're going to try to be objective about this. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:55:51 AM EDT
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New virus with a ~99.5% survivability rate - eh, no big deal.
New vaccine with a 99.997% (and probably higher) survivability rate - WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE - DON'T TAKE THE EVIL VACCINE!!!! |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:56:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the FIFY, and that's assuming that the VAERS death reports accurately reflect the risk from the vaccines (which they don't.) |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:57:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? This |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:58:05 AM EDT
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Not this crap again. You cannot use VAERS data alone to find cause of death. VAERS even tells you this. There are not 3k+ deaths due to the vaccine.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:58:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? Soon 
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:59:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish at the very least the caregivers would be required to tell each patient the facts about how it was rushed into distribution without going through the normal evaluation process. That would at least allow people to decide intelligently instead of all the hysteria over "get it now get it now get it now"./media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/team_america-39.gif I understand you haven't been vaccinated and don't have any personal experience with it, but we were all given a multi page document covering the vaccines status under the emergency use authorization. Trump was pushing the the Covid vaccines under operation Warp Speed for months all over the news. It's not like people don't understand it was rushed and pushed as fast as possible. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 10:59:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New virus with a ~99.5% survivability rate - eh, no big deal.... If you state that as a 1 in 200 chance of death, you're likely to get blank stares in response. A lot of people are really bad a math. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:00:42 AM EDT
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People still haven't realized that they can choose not to get one and leave those alone that want to. Just like those who don't want a gun don't have to buy one but...
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:01:38 AM EDT
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Rocks have killed more people than my gun. Same with electricity, sand, dogs, balloons, gravity, water, garage doors, plants, carbon monoxide, the sea, fish hooks, darkness, etc.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:02:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand you haven't been vaccinated and don't have any personal experience with it, but we were all given a multi page document covering the vaccines status under the emergency use authorization. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wish at the very least the caregivers would be required to tell each patient the facts about how it was rushed into distribution without going through the normal evaluation process. That would at least allow people to decide intelligently instead of all the hysteria over "get it now get it now get it now"./media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/team_america-39.gif I understand you haven't been vaccinated and don't have any personal experience with it, but we were all given a multi page document covering the vaccines status under the emergency use authorization. Good. I did not know that. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:02:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? That would be fair. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:03:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the people who received the jab and then became sick with covid? The stuff never went through normal testing and those receiving it are the test sample. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? And the people who received the jab and then became sick with covid? The stuff never went through normal testing and those receiving it are the test sample. It never promised to be 100% effective and it certainly isn't if you decide to go to a bar full of a bunch of slobbering drunks the day before or after. It actually takes time for it to do its job. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:04:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY, and that's assuming that the VAERS death reports accurately reflect the risk from the vaccines (which they don't.) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What about the FIFY, and that's assuming that the VAERS death reports accurately reflect the risk from the vaccines (which they don't.) FIFY |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:05:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What about the FIFY, and that's assuming that the VAERS death reports accurately reflect the risk from the vaccines (which they don't.) FIFY Oops. Thanks! |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:06:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? The entire country was shut down for 0.3%. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:07:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Over a vaccination against a cold with a 99.9% survival rate? Yes. That doesn’t include the people that are crippled by it also like my wife’s friend now In a wheelchair. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What about the 99.9% of people who received the vaccine and didn’t die? Should we shut down all vaccinations for .1%? Over a vaccination against a cold with a 99.9% survival rate? Yes. That doesn’t include the people that are crippled by it also like my wife’s friend now In a wheelchair. Sorry to hear about your wife's friend but was it was proven that the vaccine did this and it wasn't going to happen anyway and not just coincidental timing like the majority of reports have been. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:08:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People still haven't realized that they can choose not to get one and leave those alone that want to. Just like those who don't want a gun don't have to buy one but... If only that worked in reverse. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:09:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:10:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Died from" or "died after they had it"? Seems like the same discrepancy that was used in counting COVID deaths. Some people had it when they died, some people died from it yet there was no distinction in the reporting. There is distinction in the data once you dive in. As it turns out, the vast majority of people died With COVID actually did die Of COVID related complications (respiratory failure/pneumonia/other sepsis organ dysfunction). 580K deaths for 35 million cases, or about 1,700 deaths per 100K for COVID. And remember most of those 35M didn't die but many more than 580K did get sick, suffer, and some are disabled. The reason the numbers aren't higher is all of those painful restrictions to limit transmission. Is it so for people died after vaccine? 3362 died of the nearly 150 MILLION people who have gotten the vaccine over the last 6 months? That's 2 per 100K, but was it due to vaccine? How many people out of 150 million are expected to die anyway? Yes many got it recently, but remember also that the vaccine was most focused on the old and unhealthy as priority early recipients. Statistically you expect an annual death rate of 800 per 100K in the US per year for all causes. Vaccine then death: 2 per 100K most of which were likely not vaccine related. COVID then death: 1700 per 100K most of which were due to COVID. The vaccine has saves an incredibly high multiple of lives vs lost... and the vaccine will make the restrictions go away. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:13:16 AM EDT
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Considering a few thousand people die every day and 100 million people have been vaccinated over the last few months it would be safe to assume people who have received a vaccine will have died but not because of the vaccine.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:13:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... and the vaccine will make the restrictions go away. Sounds suspiciously like "Arbeit macht frei". Maybe we should put a sign above all vaccination outlets "Vaccination makes free."  |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:14:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was distinction in the data once you dive in. As it turns out, most people died with COVID actually did die of COVID related complications (respiratory failure/pneumonia/other sepsis organ dysfunction). 580,000 deaths for 35 million cases, or about 1,700 deaths per 100K for COVID. Is it so for people died after vaccine? 3362 died of the nearly 150 MILLION people who have gotten the vaccine over the last 6 months? That's 2 per 100K. How many people out of 150 million are expected to die anyway? Yes many got it recently, but remember also that the vaccine was most focused on the old and unhealthy as priority early recipients. Statistically you expect an annual death rate of 800 per 100K in the US per year for all causes. [b]Vaccine then death: 2 per 100K most of which were likely not vaccine related. COVID then death: 1700 per 100K most of which were due to COVID. The vaccine has saves an incredibly high multiple of lives vs lost... and the vaccine will make the restrictions go away. So some people really believe this part in red eh? |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:18:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and the vaccine will make the restrictions go away.[/b] No, it won't. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:20:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds suspiciously like "Arbeit macht frei". Maybe we should put a sign above all vaccination outlets "Vaccination makes free." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ... and the vaccine will make the restrictions go away. Sounds suspiciously like "Arbeit macht frei". Maybe we should put a sign above all vaccination outlets "Vaccination makes free." Vaccines will make people immune. That will reduce transmission. If you reduce transmission then you don't need to reduce transmission through actions that harm the economy. It's a benefit vs cost. If people are immune and transmission is low, then the cost of restrictions is not worth it anymore because the vaccine has already provided the benefit. Now you can argue that it was not worth the cost if you want, that's another thread, but the economics are pretty straightforward. Vaccination is already crushing transmission rates, just look at Israel. I can look at my county where we have 75% vaccination and our COVID rates went from among the highest in the state to the lowest seen in nearly a year. As a result, restrictions are melting away like butter on a hot pan! If you think that encouraging vaccination is the same as someone banning your right to own a business/radio/guns, hire people not of your religion, beating you in the streets, putting you in a boxcar at gunpoint, unloading you at a work camp where you are starved, beaten, shot, whipped, made to sleep on wooden bunks, and worked to death as a slave, then I suggest you consider some more reading or talk to a holocaust survivor. My ancestors died in those camps. BTW communicable disease were rampant in the camps and killed many. Read: The Great Influenza by Barry Night by Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:22:12 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: Would love to have that on a bumper snicker. The vaccine is supposed to be shitty so you don't want to take it, by design; their entire effort around this is about turning you into the boogeyman to give a figleaf for lockdowns and other measures. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:22:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:22:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vaccines will make people immune. That will reduce transmission. If you reduce transmission then you don't need to reduce transmission through actions that harm the economy. It's a benefit vs cost. Vaccination is already crushing transmission rates, just look at Israel. I can look at my county where we have 75% vaccination and our rates went from highest in the state to the lowest seen in nearly a year. If you think that encouraging vaccination is the same as someone banning your right to own a business/radio/guns, hire people not of your religion, beating you in the streets, putting you in a boxcar at gunpoint, unloading you at a work camp where you are starved, beaten, shot, whipped, made to sleep on wooden bunks, and worked to death as a slave, then I suggest you consider some more reading or talk to a holocaust survivor. My ancestors died in those camps. BTW communicable disease were rampant in the camps and killed many. Read: The Great Influenza by Barry Night by Elie Wiesel Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: ... and the vaccine will make the restrictions go away. Sounds suspiciously like "Arbeit macht frei". Maybe we should put a sign above all vaccination outlets "Vaccination makes free." Vaccines will make people immune. That will reduce transmission. If you reduce transmission then you don't need to reduce transmission through actions that harm the economy. It's a benefit vs cost. Vaccination is already crushing transmission rates, just look at Israel. I can look at my county where we have 75% vaccination and our rates went from highest in the state to the lowest seen in nearly a year. If you think that encouraging vaccination is the same as someone banning your right to own a business/radio/guns, hire people not of your religion, beating you in the streets, putting you in a boxcar at gunpoint, unloading you at a work camp where you are starved, beaten, shot, whipped, made to sleep on wooden bunks, and worked to death as a slave, then I suggest you consider some more reading or talk to a holocaust survivor. My ancestors died in those camps. BTW communicable disease were rampant in the camps and killed many. Read: The Great Influenza by Barry Night by Elie Wiesel My point was that even the worst persecution starts with something seemingly innocent. This whole COVID narrative has had the effect of enslaving and controlling the population as if we live in a totalitarian regime. For something that's a little worse than the flu? Sorry to hear about your ancestors. I am very much a Jewish and Israel sympathizer. In fact, I almost expect a Jewish persecution to start in this country, and I fully plan to use my resources to help as many as I can escape to Israel. I do believe it's an End Times possibility. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:23:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish at the very least the caregivers would be required to tell each patient the facts about how it was rushed into distribution without going through the normal evaluation process. That would at least allow people to decide intelligently instead of all the hysteria over "get it now get it now get it now". /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/team_america-39.gif It's each persons responsibility to do their own research before any medical procedures. Cigarettes have had warning labels for years I doubt it has made any noticeable impact on lung cancer. Get the shot or don't but I'm tired of hearing about it either way. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:26:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
There are probably deaths that were caused by it but can't be linked to the vaccinations. And there are probably deaths linked to it that weren't caused by it. So, assume that the death number is approximately correct. You can safely approximate that there were 10 times as many bad reactions as deaths. And you can also approximate that the number of mild reactions was 100 times the death rate. That's still Not a large number as a percentage but other vaccines have been shut down for lower numbers. 
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:30:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My point was that even the worst persecution starts with something seemingly innocent. This whole COVID narrative has had the effect of enslaving and controlling the population as if we live in a totalitarian regime. For something that's a little worse than the flu? Sorry to hear about your ancestors. I am very much a Jewish and Israel sympathizer. In fact, I almost expect a Jewish persecution to start in this country, and I fully plan to use my resources to help as many as I can escape to Israel. I do believe it's an End Times possibility. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ... and the vaccine will make the restrictions go away. Sounds suspiciously like "Arbeit macht frei". Maybe we should put a sign above all vaccination outlets "Vaccination makes free." Vaccines will make people immune. That will reduce transmission. If you reduce transmission then you don't need to reduce transmission through actions that harm the economy. It's a benefit vs cost. Vaccination is already crushing transmission rates, just look at Israel. I can look at my county where we have 75% vaccination and our rates went from highest in the state to the lowest seen in nearly a year. If you think that encouraging vaccination is the same as someone banning your right to own a business/radio/guns, hire people not of your religion, beating you in the streets, putting you in a boxcar at gunpoint, unloading you at a work camp where you are starved, beaten, shot, whipped, made to sleep on wooden bunks, and worked to death as a slave, then I suggest you consider some more reading or talk to a holocaust survivor. My ancestors died in those camps. BTW communicable disease were rampant in the camps and killed many. Read: The Great Influenza by Barry Night by Elie Wiesel My point was that even the worst persecution starts with something seemingly innocent. This whole COVID narrative has had the effect of enslaving and controlling the population as if we live in a totalitarian regime. For something that's a little worse than the flu? Sorry to hear about your ancestors. I am very much a Jewish and Israel sympathizer. In fact, I almost expect a Jewish persecution to start in this country, and I fully plan to use my resources to help as many as I can escape to Israel. I do believe it's an End Times possibility. "even the worst persecution starts with something seemingly innocent" has absolutely nothing to do with vaccination! Further, your contention that this is a little worse than the flu is just way the fuck off. When is that last time they were burning bodies in the street in India due to a flu outbreak? We actually don't give the flu enough respect as a society, but COVID is easily 5x as bad and its killed nearly 600K despite all the transmission controls in place. Whether you want to look at the medical literature (I do) or care for COVID patients first hand (I do), this isn't "just the flu." As far as vaccines. How do you think we got rid of Smallpox? Almost eliminated Measles, Polio, etc... vaccines that are mandated. (COVID vaccine isn't) Vaccination shouldn't be political, but even 100 years ago there were antivaxxers raging against smallpox vaccination. We don't give the smallpox vaccine anymore because the disease is extinct. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:30:36 AM EDT
[#44]
The first people to get the vaccine were elderly people in nursing homes. Most were ready to die in the next year or two anyway.
Some of you anti vaccination crowd are as insane as the triple masking wearing DUMBocrats. If you have ever better to Africa or India even before Covid you had a shit load of vaccines before you could travel there. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:31:27 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Objectively speaking, this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Died from" or "died after they had it"? Seems like the same discrepancy that was used in counting COVID deaths. Some people had it when they died, some people died from it yet there was no distinction in the reporting. Objectively speaking, this. good for the goose |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:33:29 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The vaccine is supposed to be shitty so you don't want to take it, by design; their entire effort around this is about turning you into the boogeyman to give a figleaf for lockdowns and other measures. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would love to have that on a bumper snicker. The vaccine is supposed to be shitty so you don't want to take it, by design; their entire effort around this is about turning you into the boogeyman to give a figleaf for lockdowns and other measures.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:34:29 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are probably deaths that were caused by it but can't be linked to the vaccinations. And there are probably deaths linked to it that weren't caused by it. So, assume that the death number is approximately correct. You can safely approximate that there were 10 times as many bad reactions as deaths. And you can also approximate that the number of mild reactions was 100 times the death rate. That's still Not a large number as a percentage but other vaccines have been shut down for lower numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
There are probably deaths that were caused by it but can't be linked to the vaccinations. And there are probably deaths linked to it that weren't caused by it. So, assume that the death number is approximately correct. You can safely approximate that there were 10 times as many bad reactions as deaths. And you can also approximate that the number of mild reactions was 100 times the death rate. That's still Not a large number as a percentage but other vaccines have been shut down for lower numbers. Agree, it is impossible to determine conclusivity. But the correlation is much larger with these experimental injections than other vaccines. The virtue signaling is what really sours me on this whole deal.
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:34:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vaccines will make people immune. That will reduce transmission. If you reduce transmission then you don't need to reduce transmission through actions that harm the economy. It's a benefit vs cost. If people are immune and transmission is low, then the cost of restrictions is not worth it anymore because the vaccine has already provided the benefit. Now you can argue that it was not worth the cost if you want, that's another thread, but the economics are pretty straightforward. Vaccination is already crushing transmission rates, just look at Israel. I can look at my county where we have 75% vaccination and our COVID rates went from among the highest in the state to the lowest seen in nearly a year. As a result, restrictions are melting away like butter on a hot pan! If you think that encouraging vaccination is the same as someone banning your right to own a business/radio/guns, hire people not of your religion, beating you in the streets, putting you in a boxcar at gunpoint, unloading you at a work camp where you are starved, beaten, shot, whipped, made to sleep on wooden bunks, and worked to death as a slave, then I suggest you consider some more reading or talk to a holocaust survivor. My ancestors died in those camps. BTW communicable disease were rampant in the camps and killed many. Read: The Great Influenza by Barry Night by Elie Wiesel So are you telling us to "SHUT IT DOWN"? Seriously though, just leave people the fuck alone. If someone doesn't want to get it, that's their decision. If they start forcing people to get it. Then it's a problem. We all have the right to be skeptical of a government that has proven almost every chance it gets that it doesn't give two shits what's best for people. 99.9% of elected gov and top officials are simply in it for power, money, or fame. Prove to me THAT isn't true and I'll go along with more of their suggestions. |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:35:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The vaccine is supposed to be shitty so you don't want to take it, by design; their entire effort around this is about turning you into the boogeyman to give a figleaf for lockdowns and other measures. Somalia flag checks out... |
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Posted: 5/7/2021 11:37:48 AM EDT
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The under reporting of adverse events is for mild shit like slight fever, rash, etc.
Deaths are more likely to be over reported. Also, plenty of people died after being vaccinated but not from the vaccine, just like a lot of people died with COVID and not of COVID. |
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