BUSH LIED TO THE US!

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - BUSH LIED TO THE US!

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:01:59 PM EDT

Or so we've been hearing from the media. I just got this email and its worth readying through.

Old records can still bite!!!

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." > - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years .. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR UNECESSARILY!

I checked on a couple of these, none were false.

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:19:52 PM EDT

[#1]

Greg it is a great relief to know that Bush took these folks word for it before he committed us to a war.

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:22:49 PM EDT

[#2]

Greg it is a great relief to know that Bush took these folks word for it before he committed us to a war.

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:24:33 PM EDT

[#3]

Damn...........I guess you can look at it that way also!

Damn.

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:25:17 PM EDT

[#4]

Hussein had so much time to hide the stuff, and so many warnings, that I'm not at all surprised that we haven't found much of anything.

Say what you want about Hussein's principles and moral character, he's NOT stupid. The WMDs definitely exist, or at least they did (maybe he used them all up on the Kurds), and if they do still exist, they're well enough hidden that it may yet be a long time before we find ANY of them.

I'll bet the Syrians know where some of them are, though!

I'd go so far as to say that anyone who thinks there WERE no Iraqi WMDs is someone who is suffering from delusional thinking.

CJ

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:28:56 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Greg it is a great relief to know that Bush took these folks word for it before he committed us to a war.

I think you're missing the point. Those people came to the same conclusion as the president did. I doubt he commited our troops on the word of those who would love to see him fail.

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:29:38 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Hussein had so much time to hide the stuff, and so many warnings, that I'm not at all surprised that we haven't found much of anything.

Say what you want about Hussein's principles and moral character, he's NOT stupid. The WMDs definitely exist, or at least they did (maybe he used them all up on the Kurds), and if they do still exist, they're well enough hidden that it may yet be a long time before we find ANY of them.

I'll bet the Syrians know where some of them are, though!

I'd go so far as to say that anyone who thinks there WERE no Iraqi WMDs is someone who is suffering from delusional thinking.

CJ

I wonder when we'll find that he buried a french aircraft carrier in the desert....

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:30:31 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
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Greg it is a great relief to know that Bush took these folks word for it before he committed us to a war.

I think you're missing the point. Those people came to the same conclusion as the president did. I doubt he commited our troops on the word of those who would love to see him fail.

He understands, he's just busting my balls. (Note his wise ass smiley)

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:32:16 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
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Greg it is a great relief to know that Bush took these folks word for it before he committed us to a war.

I think you're missing the point. Those people came to the same conclusion as the president did. I doubt he commited our troops on the word of those who would love to see him fail.

No, I think YOU are missing the point - the Dems are a bunch of disgusting lying hypocrits for saying those things throughout the 90s, and only now completely reversing themselves for nothing more than partisan party politics.

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:33:50 PM EDT

[#9]

I can't find the source, but Hillary was quoted as saying that "everyone knew" about the intelligence indicating Saddam's WMD. The difference was that "Bush believed it."

Edit: I love Google -

The lack of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq contradicts years of intelligence indicating Saddam had such weapons, which also was the conclusion of officials in the Clinton administration.

"The consensus was the same, from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration," she said. "It was the same intelligence belief that our allies and friends around the world shared.

"But I think that in the case of the [Bush] administration, they really believed it. They really thought they were right, but they didn't let enough sunlight into their thinking process to really have the kind of debate that needs to take place when a serious decision occurs like that."

Source: CNN

Posted: 5/14/2004 6:46:08 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Greg it is a great relief to know that Bush took these folks word for it before he committed us to a war.

I think you're missing the point. Those people came to the same conclusion as the president did. I doubt he commited our troops on the word of those who would love to see him fail.

No, I think YOU are missing the point - the Dems are a bunch of disgusting lying hypocrits for saying those things throughout the 90s, and only now completely reversing themselves for nothing more than partisan party politics.

No you think I am missing the point. I fully understand the hypocrisy of the dems with their new position on WsMD. I was pointing out(seemingly in error) that Shooter505 appeared to say that our president took us to war over the dems demands. I misinterpreted his smiley.

Posted: 5/14/2004 7:51:18 PM EDT

[#11]

The insurgents in Fallujah managed to hide away millions of rounds of ammo, thousands of rifles, hundreds of RPGs, and tons of explosives, all in a little town the size of Allentown, PA.

GunLvr

Posted: 5/14/2004 9:21:55 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Greg it is a great relief to know that Bush took these folks word for it before he committed us to a war.

I think you're missing the point. Those people came to the same conclusion as the president did. I doubt he commited our troops on the word of those who would love to see him fail.

Posted: 5/15/2004 8:44:22 AM EDT

[#13]

after reading Woodward's book, the only person I think should really be held responsible for
the bad intell is George " it's a slam dunk" Tenet

he should be fired, Bush was wary & skeptical BUT his advisors where confidant of WMD

Posted: 5/15/2004 9:04:13 AM EDT

[#14]

It's too late now.

Posted: 5/15/2004 9:09:38 AM EDT

[#15]

those iraqi's sure need a lot of bug poison, don't they? and they all seem to store it in highly secure military bases- they must want their military to be REALLY bug free.

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