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Posted: 5/8/2004 12:12:10 PM EDT
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Cool, maybe now the import lovers can get them at WalMart!
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Posted: 5/8/2004 12:13:25 PM EDT
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So are they building them in the USA now?
 BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 12:14:29 PM EDT
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Given the growing market in China I doubt any of them will be exported.
For now.... |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 12:15:37 PM EDT
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F••K IT! I don't want to believe it! That's it I'm selling my Mercedes! I don't want my car to be just another cheapshit chinese import
  WTF is wrong with the west… I want QUALITY! not cheap QUANTITY. Andy |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 12:16:21 PM EDT
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Build in China? Wow. Does that mean the price is going to be be cheaper or the same? 
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Posted: 5/8/2004 1:10:01 PM EDT
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hey why not. mercedes generally have lower than average reliability ratings.
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Posted: 5/8/2004 1:12:03 PM EDT
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Daimler-Chrysler/Mercedes already has plants in the following countries:
Germany Austria, France, South Africa, United States, Argentina, Brazil, Canada, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Spain, Turkey, Hungary, Mexico, South Korea and Vietnam. |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 1:15:24 PM EDT
[#8]
Wow ! What an ending !
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Posted: 5/8/2004 1:30:58 PM EDT
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Are they building it for internal consumption or for export? last time I was there all the taxis were 2nd generation VW Jettas.VW must have sold off the tooling to them after they had no use for it.
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Posted: 5/8/2004 1:33:56 PM EDT
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No question these will end up being exported to the rest of the world. Its hard for a greedy execs to pass up on $1.50 an hour employes.
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Posted: 5/8/2004 1:41:32 PM EDT
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Great! That means the 2k I save on a new benz will go back into the economy.
Everyone thinks moving overseas is bad. Any Econ majors here? It is only bad if those workers don't get remployed which we know they will for several reasons I won't get into. It releases their labor to do stuff that will make society better off. |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 1:47:09 PM EDT
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oubeta,
Please get into those reasons. Also, what will the recently unemployed start doing to make society "better off?" No flame, just curious. IM or start another thread. -Ngog |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 1:52:11 PM EDT
[#13]
Kindly refrain from doubting the words of our President! Why do you hate freedom so much? 
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Posted: 5/8/2004 1:54:16 PM EDT
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This must be a joke? |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 2:02:42 PM EDT
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The recently unemployed will release their resources into making something that society values more. A few of the reasons we know they will get remployed are history for one and americas infinite desire for goods and services. It's all theory, all economics is based on theory. My thoery or the one I was taught makes the most sense to me, but it only works if the workers get remployed. For me to even argue with someone they have to accept my argument that layed off workers get rehired at or above wha they were meking. When firms act in the best intrest of the firm it actually is the best for society. I'll try to find a better way to explain it. In a free-market economy outsourcing actually helps the american economy more then it hurts. Ya is sux for all those workers out of a job, but the net gain by society is much larger then then the net loss of those few people out of work. |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 2:07:23 PM EDT
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If you have time to read this guys theory it will make you look at the economy and goverment intervention in a whole different way.
www.ou.edu/class/econ3003/area1b.htm Ch 30 is a good read on outsourcing Read it with an open mind. It took me reading several different economist books on outsourcing etc to see the big picture. |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 2:37:02 PM EDT
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Mercedes also plans to use the High Quality Hyundai engines for their lower end vehicles.
]biz.yahoo.com/bizwk/040507/b3883054_2.html[/url |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 2:47:26 PM EDT
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I am just wondering how a German company building Mercedes in China qualifies as outsourcing from the US point of view.
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Posted: 5/8/2004 3:10:54 PM EDT
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Oh God, It gets worse… Andy |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 3:26:00 PM EDT
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I never said it was, but it is outsourcing, just not from the US to Asia
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Posted: 5/8/2004 3:32:05 PM EDT
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Outsourcing is good !
Outsourcing is good ! Outsourcing is good ! Outsourcing is good ! ~Newspeak 2004 
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Posted: 5/8/2004 3:34:04 PM EDT
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Seeing the Big Picture is good ! Seeing the Big Picture is good ! Seeing the Big Picture is good ! Seeing the Big Picture is good ! ~Newspeak 2004
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Posted: 5/8/2004 3:37:37 PM EDT
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It doesn't make that much sense to build autos in China at the moment. Their big advantage is low labor costs, but manufacturing autos is not labor-intensive, it's capital-intensive. Especially high quality, luxury vehicles like Mercedes.
What's the most capital-rich country in the world? The US. That's why you see quite a few Japanese and German auto makers have factories here. |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 3:46:51 PM EDT
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Right, raven. But the point for Mercedes and VW for instance is to produce affordable cars locally to sell locally, to people who couldn't otherwise buy a German-built 2004 mid-sized sedan. Their brands have to get a hold on the local market or some other company is going to sell the cars in that segment...which is why Mercedes is building the M class here, as well as BMW the X3 and X5, and Saab is going to sell a US-built SUV as well.
"The indigenous people couldn't afford a vehicle built in Europe, but they /want/ /this kind/ of vehicle and they are going to buy it from /somebody/. Might as well be us, let's build it where the buyers are and save on shipping costs, as well." Well, that's the theory. PS: I /know/ Saab is a Swedish GM-brand. Just used them as example to illustrate my point. People wanna buy a fancy-schmancy Euro vehicle, let's build something here and slap some cool name badge on it. So what would otherwise at best be the "Alabama Motor Vehicle and Spittoon Factory" is now cranking out Mercdessess (?) instead. |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 3:48:16 PM EDT
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You are right my friend |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 5:22:39 PM EDT
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M-B's ML-series SUVs are built in Alabama. China has been a fairly big market for M-B. I figured it'd only be a matter of time before they started building cars their. |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 6:47:56 PM EDT
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no telling whether or not we're going to be getting the chink MB's.
Both GM and VW have plants in China, but they're selling the "Made in China" cars only in their domestic market. Automakers typically have plants everywhere. Toyota, Honda, BMW and others have plants here in the US. Some Toyotas are made in Fremont, CA at the New United Motors Mfg, Inc (NUMMI) plant. It's a joint venture with GM. Ever wonder why the Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe look so similar? They're the same car. All built in Freakmont. BMW has a Spartansburg, SC plant. Z4's and Z3's are/were built there. |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 6:51:12 PM EDT
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I don't understand how any company can responsibly reconcile investing that kind of money and effort in China. The country is just too damn unstable IMO, and had it not been for Klinton's giving them MFNTS they would have already gone into civil war.
Makes one wonder what will happen to all those factories *when* not "if" China attacks Taiwan? The other problem is that of technology flight. When you send manufacturing technique out of your country, you are giving away the business you are in. My Dad's company (TRW) is experiencing that with airbag system development being handed to the Indians on a silver platter. The profits look GREAT until you customer goes directly to the people you used to outsource. Ask the Japanese about the "good ol' days" when TV's and VCR's were made in Japan and not China.. I'm not economist, but I believe that for countries like the USA to thrive, we need a third world take advantage of. Now that the world is smaller and the shithole countries in Asia and Africa are advancing rapidly this is becoming less and less possible for us. Dave |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 7:05:46 PM EDT
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SO why did you buy a Mercedes? Biggest POS's on the road... |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 7:54:20 PM EDT
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I have seen people who think they all are made in Germany and will not change their mind, even with US plants. Im sure they will still think them same thing.
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Posted: 5/8/2004 8:08:17 PM EDT
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SO what model do you own? Please tell us... |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 8:23:48 PM EDT
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If they felt they were being taking advantage of it wouldn't happen. The free economy is led by the "invisible hand". Look at it this way, when a product is developed engineers and scientists work to refine the product then they pass the tourch on to factory workers who are less skilled to make the product. Well why can't they pass it down to someone less skilled then them? this would be third world countries. Now they are free to work on producing other goods which are newer in the product lifecycle. |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 8:35:39 PM EDT
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I didn't mean take advantage of in the lowest common terms-even the 11 year old who works a 14 hour day is happy to have her job and is benefitting her local economy by working for $.60 an hour job making $150 Nikes.
Sure is hard to say it without coming off that way though, isn't it? Dave |
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Posted: 5/8/2004 8:43:04 PM EDT
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This is where externalites come into play or third parties. If society cares so much they will be led my the 'invisible hand' to so something about it. Which is exactly what happened with the crackdown on 'sweat shoops'. You can see these externalities in play all over the place. Just for an example, Willie Nelsons Farm Aid benefit concerts or recyling. Recycling doesn't make any economic sense, but we still do it because it is worth the extra cost we pay or extra resources that go into recycling knowing that we might be helping the enviorment. A truly free market economy seems to work itself out by itself. It's when goverments start to interfer and start banning outsourcing, or giving subsidys, etc |
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