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Posted: 5/16/2001 4:48:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Why not buy both and then this question becomes a moot point?
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Posted: 5/16/2001 4:48:58 PM EDT
[#2]
Here we go again..... troll time
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Posted: 5/16/2001 4:57:08 PM EDT
[#3]
Is a ar worth the trouble? Are they as hard to keep clean as I have herd? I have never had any problems with any of my AK's. What would you reccomend as a good starter ar?
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Posted: 5/16/2001 4:59:22 PM EDT
[#4]
One Delta Ten Tango!
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Posted: 5/16/2001 4:59:41 PM EDT
[#5]
Originally Posted By your daddy: ? so you can hit your target for a change. you should try it. it's quite fun actually!!! |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:08:55 PM EDT
[#6]
i know i know DTT. but i have both an AK and an AR. i shoot the both regularly and they both kick ass. i cant give you a real accuracey figure because i dont go to a "real" range but i can hit soda cans at 100 paces, about 150ft, with both all day long. i havent really shot at a distance any greater becouse i havent found a god place to do it. you know the myth about ARs jamming every other round? welp i put 550 rnds through mine wihtout cleaning it and had no problimes. and i just told you about the AKs accuracey. so as far as im concerned they both rock. just my $.02. thanks
DB |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:10:30 PM EDT
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If you are an uneducated peasant who doesn't have any idea how to clean your weapon or any training whatsoever the AK is a good choice.
If you have over a 6th grade education and very little training you can maintain an AR to standard, and actually hit your target at any range the cartridge will allow. You also have much greater flexibility in that you can change uppers in 10 seconds and go from a 14.5" CQB weapon to a 26" bull barrel for lang range work. Or a .22LR to a .50BMG. Try that with an AK. Or for that matter, try hitting a man sized target at 500M. |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:10:55 PM EDT
[#8]
Ahh yes, get both. If you are looking for a good starter. YOu might want to take a look at the Ltd Edition Group Buy thread.
Here are my two babies. [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/011/aE/Np/zC/Lb35373.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:11:44 PM EDT
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1. Inaccurate weapons are very frustrating.
2. AK's are about as ergonomic as a fence post. 3. AR sights (especially the A2) are excellent. 4. 5.56/.223 is a flat shooting, accurate round in itself. 5. If your AR shoots poorly, the problem can usually be solved. If your AK shoots poorly, it's an AK. IMHO, the AK is a clunky, awkward weapon, and in the most common 7.62X39, underpowered at anything over 200 yards. The only two things the AK has going for it are its political status and its reliability. It's like comparing a Russian T55 tank toa Corvette. |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:13:24 PM EDT
[#10]
try one out ill bet you like it as much or more than your ak!
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:21:16 PM EDT
[#11]
I like both the AR's AND the AK's
both have advantages and disadvantages accuracy is better with the AR ammo is cheaper for the AK AR's are usually better made AK's are cheaper to purchase AR's have less recoil AK's aren't too finicky with ammo brands etc, etc, etc,... Just buy them both and be happy...I did |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:21:45 PM EDT
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Every weapon has it's pro's and con's...it's own personality if you will. that is what makes and motivates collectors.
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:22:37 PM EDT
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This is like asking why have a beautiful, busty, long-legged brunette when you can have a skanky, skinny, flat chested blond. Then arguing they both clean the house good, but the brunette is too "high maintenance" to be worthwhile. Sheesh. I have/love an AK but it sure ain't no AR. Don't knock it till you try it, as Cleatus T. Judd said.
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:24:35 PM EDT
[#14]
Just say no to Communist weapons.
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:26:12 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted: This is like asking why have a beautiful, busty, long-legged brunette when you can have a skanky, skinny, flat chested blond. Then arguing they both clean the house good, but the brunette is too "high maintenance" to be worthwhile. Sheesh. I have/love an AK but it sure ain't no AR. Don't knock it till you try it, as Cleatus T. Judd said. I think that just about sums it up! |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:30:27 PM EDT
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"your daddy" is just a bit over the top for a troll's name don't you think? You have to be a bit more subtle like me.
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:31:45 PM EDT
[#17]
good advice troll. Check out my post under m16
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:34:25 PM EDT
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i am gettin' older now and found that i have arthritis in both my shoulders and elswhere, the ar-15 is the rifle i most enjoy to shoot. comfortable, accurate, and no pain. a real cadillac. surprisingly, i also can shoot the fnfal without a problem. the ak bothers me to shoot because i tend to tuck in close to the sights and the takedown spur whacks my face and glasses. short stock i guess? [:D]
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:41:34 PM EDT
[#19]
And if can believe it, he claims to be from RU, which is Russia. A former commie troll? Kewl!
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:42:31 PM EDT
[#20]
I used to think the same thing until I tried one (AR that is). Now I own both and enjoy and dislike certain things about both.
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:43:51 PM EDT
[#21]
commie gun good. English is baad.
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Posted: 5/16/2001 5:56:18 PM EDT
[#22]
btt
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Posted: 5/16/2001 6:33:37 PM EDT
[#23]
....................shhhh, im hunting troll with my trusty flame shooting ak troll slaying carbine[pyro]
its a tough job, but somebody has to do it. not your boy lib |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 6:39:44 PM EDT
[#24]
i love both the AR-15, AK-47, and all of their variants. i own both, but the reality is that they both "suck"!!! both have their issues, both have their plusses. argueing over which is better is like a pissing contest. they are only tools. they are only rungs in the latter to a better design that has'nt been manufactured yet.
wishing for more lib ak are not that inaccurate. depends on barrel quality, change of sites, and the shooter [:D] |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 6:51:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By your daddy: ? an AK? dont you mean three or four AK's, because you get what you pay for. How much is your life worth to you? |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 7:06:46 PM EDT
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lordtrader, I can't get a handle on your AK, what is that - Saiga?
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Posted: 5/16/2001 7:12:18 PM EDT
[#27]
Hey, your daddy, why buy spelling and grammatical lessons when you can buy an AK?
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Posted: 5/16/2001 7:16:12 PM EDT
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Why use a paint brush,when you have a roller.Da I don no
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Posted: 5/16/2001 9:28:37 PM EDT
[#29]
Ak-47 = Poor mans M-16.
Get yourself an AR-15. If you have to ask why, stick with the AK. Not intended to flame the economicly challenged. |
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Posted: 5/16/2001 9:38:03 PM EDT
[#30]
I love having an AK and 2 ARs. I call it the best of both worlds!
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Posted: 5/17/2001 4:44:24 AM EDT
[#31]
I've got an AK. It sits all the way in the back of my safe. THIS is the 7.62X39 I shoot.
[img]albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=183095&a=1591939&p=48299405[/img] |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 5:55:10 AM EDT
[#32]
I have got both and like them both. Whatever mood you are in, I guess.
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Posted: 5/17/2001 7:41:34 AM EDT
[#33]
what do you mean starter AR????GET what you can get.p.s.i dont care fore black stocked AKs.AKs must have wood furnature.if you want a black rifle there only one...M-16/AR-15
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Posted: 5/17/2001 8:19:24 AM EDT
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[img]albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1277466&a=9460188&p=46364431&Sequence=0[/img]
The FNC is the most comfortable but the AR is my Favorite. The AK is just to own it. It shoots ok I guess. But I love my AR. My AR has never, failed me. Get a Bushmaster. |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 9:46:31 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: "your daddy" is just a bit over the top for a troll's name don't you think? You have to be a bit more subtle like me. Yeah the least you could do is come up with Jo! Jo Momma! BigDozer66 |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 9:50:13 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: [img]albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1277466&a=9460188&p=46364431&Sequence=0[/img] The FNC is the most comfortable but the AR is my Favorite. The AK is just to own it. It shoots ok I guess. But I love my AR. My AR has never, failed me. Get a Bushmaster. I know who I am going to become friends with! I got a Colt and a Bushy. Well almost a whole Bushy...I am looking for an upper for it now. Nice Toys ah I mean Tools! Lynn [sniper] |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 10:04:15 AM EDT
[#37]
daddy is correct. The AR15 does have some deficiencies. If you are inclined to buy another weapon to fill those deficiencies the AK sure the hell isn't the answer. However, an M1A (or other high quality .308) is. And don't give me this crap about price. As another poster stated, "you get what you pay for."
MG |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 10:20:08 AM EDT
[#38]
I've owned several AK and AK variants in times past. All were fiarly decent. My Valmet 76? was excellent back in 1980. Had a tubular T stock. I had to use Egyptian ammo though that often cracked cases when firing. Still was very accurate. Commie ammo was not to be found then.
Then came the Galils. I put up the money way before they became available. Got one of the first in .308 to come into the US. Awesome rifle. Later bought one in .556 and another in .308. Those FN folding stocks and the charging handle improvements on the bolt and the tritium night sights... Shot well too. But still, to this date, I don't think anything is as ergonomic as an AR. And mine have proven to be just as dependable as an AK. So there. |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 12:30:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Since we can't have full autos it boils down to
accuracy and that means the ar. |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 12:34:19 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: "your daddy" is just a bit over the top for a troll's name don't you think? You have to be a bit more subtle like me. Who's "your daddy"? Sorry, I couldn't resist.[}:D] |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 12:39:07 PM EDT
[#41]
A picture is worth a 1000 words.
[img]http://home.bak.rr.com/varmintcong/custom1.jpg[/img] For my purposes a 1000AKs couldn't ever compare favorably to just one of my ARs. I have no use for an AK type rifle, I figured that out after owning my SKS for a couple years. The SKS makes it out maybe once or twice a year and I don't see where an AK clone would see much more use. The ARs are my primary use rifles and for me they do everything better than an AK ever could. |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 12:41:19 PM EDT
[#42]
IVE SPENT 13 YEARS IN THE INFANTRY AND LOVE THE AR. AS FAR AS CLEANING IT, IVE ACTUALLY FOUND THAT A LITTLE CARBON LEFT ON THE BOLT AND CHAMBER HELPS KEEP IT FROM JAMMING. I HOPE NOBODY FLAMES ME FOR SAYING THAT, JUST EXPERIENCE TALKING.
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Posted: 5/17/2001 12:55:13 PM EDT
[#43]
If you usa AK quality mag in an AR it will jam.
If you use AR Quality Mag in an AR it will function perfectly. |
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Posted: 5/17/2001 1:00:08 PM EDT
[#44]
I own both, but my ar is definitely my favorite. The AR is reliable and accurate. That is the key, all I am doing with my ak is just blasting. That gets awfully boring after while! The ar is not only an "assault rifle" but is also a marksman's tool. Hell of a better buy than my ak.
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Posted: 5/17/2001 1:06:33 PM EDT
[#45]
Made in America, buy Americans, Need I say more????????
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Posted: 5/17/2001 2:10:15 PM EDT
[#46]
AK or AR , not this debate again . Go out and buy one or two OF BOTH and stop bothering me with this CRAP .
That's what I did . |
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