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Posted: 4/19/2019 4:45:07 PM EDT
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And answering something you didn’t ask, but since you threw it it out there..... How many times in cities all over America have we all been frustrated that homeless people just piss and shit anywhere they want, spewing filth with no consequence or police response, and yet you suggest that police do exactly the same thing? Why would you think that is acceptable? So while I wouldn’t ‘like’ to see it, I think footage of that should be seen by the public, wether it be security cam, cell phone camera, or (if the officer is stupid enough to activate their camera, yes) body cam. Not pissing in the street is the standard we should hold everyone to. What's the cut-off for who is allowed to piss in public?100k a year?Male and female? Pissing in a cornfield is a whole different scenario than pissing in a city somewhere. I knew a guy named Jerry that got arrested for peeing in the corner of a parking garage in NYC back in the 90's.............. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 4:56:56 PM EDT
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Calm down, Sarcasm King. You forgot your smilies until now. Kind of hard to read the sarcasm you didn’t indicate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And answering something you didn’t ask, but since you threw it it out there..... How many times in cities all over America have we all been frustrated that homeless people just piss and shit anywhere they want, spewing filth with no consequence or police response, and yet you suggest that police do exactly the same thing? Why would you think that is acceptable?   |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 5:20:49 PM EDT
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Ya got me there. -ness problem. $20 to Nolo in the name of the first person who replies with the quote source. 
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Posted: 4/19/2019 6:31:53 PM EDT
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/at-the-noor-trial-13.php
Don’t know who this writer is but he has some interesting points noted. [“He could not have lawfully...” means Harrity.] “• After Peter Wold’s cross-examination I thought Sweasy made the critical points. He could not have lawfully shot at the silhouette he made out. It was premature to use deadly force. Death or great bodily harm was only a possibility. I’m afraid these points were lost.” |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 6:45:06 PM EDT
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If that was a good shoot then cops have a license to kill and maybe the police abolition groups are right.
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Posted: 4/19/2019 6:52:35 PM EDT
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If that was a good shoot then cops have a license to kill and maybe the police abolition groups are right. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 6:58:10 PM EDT
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Blatant Sharia killing, sanctioned & supported by the government of the city-state in which it occurred. They need to get an electric chair out of storage & fry this murdering barbarian bastard as an example.
But they won’t, cuz protected class & muh diversity... |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 7:05:27 PM EDT
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What the hell is with all this talk of sharia killing?
The guy was jumpy and incompetent? perhaps intoxicated or altered by psych meds? perhaps he was just itching to get a kill in the line of duty? I'd bet these are all more likely than it being some kind of spur of the moment sharia enforcement because a white lady was wearing pajamas outside of the home. The only part part his religion may have played is if he got hired despite being a substandard applicant or 'failing' a psych screening, none of which I know to have happened because I haven't looked into it that much. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 7:14:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guaranteed. Multiple defense theories will be used, from PTSD from the Somalia civil war to racial discrimination in the US to "she made a move, he had to get it on." It'll be blamed on bad training or some shit & all this will be swept under the rug after the not guilty verdict. |
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Posted: 4/19/2019 7:33:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the problem is not as much cops with a license to kill as it is muslims with guns. The SGT in command of the scene who couldn't explain.under oath why she turned her cam off and on throughout her time on scene indicates a possible wider problem. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 2:33:40 PM EDT
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/at-the-noor-trial-15.php
You may recall that Harrity’s bodycam video has what I called “a 15-second gap” that should have caught the shooting. Based on the testimony of several police witnesses, if turned on, the bodycam should have a 30-second buffering period during it silently captures the 30 seconds preceding activation of recording by the officer. We have seen this buffering on the numerous bodycam and squad car videos introduced into evidence — all but Harrity’s. Harrity’s has a 15-second buffering period. Another 15 seconds would have caught the shooting. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 2:38:40 PM EDT
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If that was a good shoot then cops have a license to kill and maybe the police abolition groups are right. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 4:42:01 PM EDT
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How much trouble would it be to install cameras that cover the entire 360 degree perimeter of the car instead of having just the dash cam? I'm guessing that information storage would be the biggest pain in the ass, but then again, you could rewrite the regulations to say that only actual footage of actual incidents must be saved until inexpensive storage methods are developed. [youtube]https://youtu.be/68JvceyuwBM[/youtube] @ceetee |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 5:14:35 PM EDT
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I really don't see how a camera would have made any difference in this case-he was a scared pussy and shot something that moved.
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Posted: 4/24/2019 5:57:06 PM EDT
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I really don't see how a camera would have made any difference in this case-he was a scared pussy and shot something that moved. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 6:08:16 PM EDT
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If you’re in a car and you believed you are going to get ambushed then just step on the accelerator and escape the killzone. I’m tired of lethal force being just another tool in the tool bag and not considered as serious as it is. I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison but can you imagine justifying as a concealed weapons holder shooting someone from your car window because you got spooked. Unreal. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 6:10:47 PM EDT
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I really don't see how a camera would have made any difference in this case-he was a scared pussy and shot something that moved. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 6:14:14 PM EDT
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Ignorance is bliss. You seem to think we can just step on the gas and leave. It doesn't work that way. We have a duty, and it can mean bad things can happen to us. It's what makes us different from you. And police respond based on the community and what is reasonable rather than your feelz. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you’re in a car and you believed you are going to get ambushed then just step on the accelerator and escape the killzone. I’m tired of lethal force being just another tool in the tool bag and not considered as serious as it is. I know it’s not an apples to apples comparison but can you imagine justifying as a concealed weapons holder shooting someone from your car window because you got spooked. Unreal. You can’t egress and call for backup? |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 6:16:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If any of that is brought forward, then every cop who was imported from some shit-hole country needs to be removed from their job, as they could all be ticking time bombs and use such a convenient excuse. |
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Posted: 4/24/2019 6:20:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ignorance is bliss. You seem to think we can just step on the gas and leave. It doesn't work that way. We have a duty, and it can mean bad things can happen to us. It's what makes us different from you. And police respond based on the community and what is reasonable rather than your feelz. |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 11:45:56 PM EDT
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Noor took the stand. The blogger I've been posting links to seems to believe he got ripped pretty good on numerous inconsistencies during cross.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/at-the-noor-trial-17-noor-testifies.php |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 11:54:48 PM EDT
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Noor took the stand. The blogger I've been posting links to seems to believe he got ripped pretty good on numerous inconsistencies during cross. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/at-the-noor-trial-17-noor-testifies.php |
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Posted: 4/25/2019 11:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, his lawyer let him get on the stand? Seriously? Or maybe Noor insisted. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 12:00:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ignorance is bliss. You seem to think we can just step on the gas and leave. It doesn't work that way. We have a duty, and it can mean bad things can happen to us. It's what makes us different from you. And police respond based on the community and what is reasonable rather than your feelz. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 9:06:22 AM EDT
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Noor took the stand. The blogger I've been posting links to seems to believe he got ripped pretty good on numerous inconsistencies during cross. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/04/at-the-noor-trial-17-noor-testifies.php |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 9:12:50 AM EDT
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The blogger did say that he seemed to have some jury members sympathetic to him. Maybe the lawyer thought that he could drum up enough sympathy. I'll let someone like @aimless weigh on on the pros and cons of that tactic. Or maybe Noor insisted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/26/2019 9:18:47 AM EDT
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He’ll probably get off... He killed the white devil for justice. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 10:07:04 AM EDT
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And answering something you didn’t ask, but since you threw it it out there..... How many times in cities all over America have we all been frustrated that homeless people just piss and shit anywhere they want, spewing filth with no consequence or police response, and yet you suggest that police do exactly the same thing? Why would you think that is acceptable? So while I wouldn’t ‘like’ to see it, I think footage of that should be seen by the public, wether it be security cam, cell phone camera, or (if the officer is stupid enough to activate their camera, yes) body cam. Not pissing in the street is the standard we should hold everyone to. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 10:11:38 AM EDT
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Affirmative action hire. Protected class hire. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 10:14:03 AM EDT
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And answering something you didn’t ask, but since you threw it it out there..... How many times in cities all over America have we all been frustrated that homeless people just piss and shit anywhere they want, spewing filth with no consequence or police response, and yet you suggest that police do exactly the same thing? Why would you think that is acceptable? So while I wouldn’t ‘like’ to see it, I think footage of that should be seen by the public, wether it be security cam, cell phone camera, or (if the officer is stupid enough to activate their camera, yes) body cam. Not pissing in the street is the standard we should hold everyone to.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 10:14:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So do cops hassle people they catch doing the same thing? What's the cut-off for who is allowed to piss in public?100k a year?Male and female? Busting someone not hurting anyone taking a piss at night is a chickenshit move. Pis sing in the middle of the street in broad daylight is a different story. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 10:19:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to get money out of a cop is hard. Getting money out of a city is easy. Are you going to take away someone’s retirement? No. Are you going to take away someone’s house? No. Are you going to take someone’s car? No. Last I heard oj Simpson still owes money to some families and they haven’t gotten it. I think it’s a very bad shoot. Bad shoot. But going after an individual who doesn’t have two wooden nickels compared to a rich city is dumb. They were sitting in their car. There was nothing going on. Comparison isn’t close. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:02:15 AM EDT
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IIRC, The partner testified that he drew his pistol, without any problems, because he felt nervous about a potential ambush when they entered the alley. Then Noor testifies that his partner tried to draw when he saw the woman, and fumbled the draw which is why Noor drew and fired.
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:10:29 AM EDT
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Way back when this happened, the reports was a person, in the dark and unrecognizable, was running toward them in their squad car. If it was not expected the complainant would be there to greet them, then I could imagine they suspected an ambush or bad guy intent on harming them. Everyday on arfcom GD we hear keyborne rangers tell us how they are going to shoot them some bad guy if he even looks sideways at them. But GD also wants to string up every police officer for everything, especially when they have no clue of what actually happened. Monday morning quarterbacking is an arfcom GD sport that is highly competitive. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:16:50 AM EDT
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Noor will get a slap on the wrist, maybe lose his job, and they'll go down to Cedar Riverside and hire a new one to replace him.
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:19:04 AM EDT
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I worked with a coward like that, he pulled his weapon and aimed it at a 10 year old one night to "quote, scare him" I turned him in, this was witnessed by no less than 5 officers , not one lied , he was terminated 5 days later. He threatened me in bar one knight a couple years later , he refused to go out back of the bar and repeat it. I hate cowards and bullies That MFer who pulled on that 10 year old was always l;ate to bar fight calls or any calls where he might get hit. I watched him stand there while his partner struggled to get a suspect under control, another officer was closer and pushed him out of the way and helped cuff the guy. If you ask why I didn't intervene , i was covering the guys buddy who was still in the car and acting fidgety Thats the kind of situation a coward puts you in, leave the spot where you are covering someone , go to aid the other officer and 2 or 3 get shot by the guy I was supposed to cover, you don't leave the second suspect uncovered , turns out there was a 38 under his seat , so who knows, but it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up, training , follow it or die. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One of the single most heinous acts by a police officer I've heard of. Fucker needs to hang by his Somali neck. I turned him in, this was witnessed by no less than 5 officers , not one lied , he was terminated 5 days later. He threatened me in bar one knight a couple years later , he refused to go out back of the bar and repeat it. I hate cowards and bullies That MFer who pulled on that 10 year old was always l;ate to bar fight calls or any calls where he might get hit. I watched him stand there while his partner struggled to get a suspect under control, another officer was closer and pushed him out of the way and helped cuff the guy. If you ask why I didn't intervene , i was covering the guys buddy who was still in the car and acting fidgety Thats the kind of situation a coward puts you in, leave the spot where you are covering someone , go to aid the other officer and 2 or 3 get shot by the guy I was supposed to cover, you don't leave the second suspect uncovered , turns out there was a 38 under his seat , so who knows, but it made the hair on the back of my neck stand up, training , follow it or die. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:20:41 AM EDT
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You willing to pay for such a nonexistent high tech piece of gear? I generally turn mine on when I get out of my car. There's usually some preliminary house-keeping and note-taking from the call ticket on the screen that doesn't need to be recorded, and recording all of that uselessly on each call would add up to a lot of needless recording and cut down on BWC battery life. You really have to be selective on when you're running your camera; if you run it for every little thing at the beginning of your shift, you'll run out of battery life long before the end of an eight hour shift. So I generally turn my camera on as I get out of the car and do some narrative for the benefit of the guy who runs our camera program so he knows what call ticket to attach the video to. I can see where having her approach the car would short circuit that normal process if they follow a similar process. I've had people approach my car as I've arrived and before I've gotten out/ started my BWC Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So if you are on the block where the call report was from, and don’t have your cameras on, then when would you turn them on? After you first encounter either a witness or suspect? After you have bailed out of the car? After you have already arrested someone? Any policy that didn’t start recording before an officer would be likely to encounter anything specifically related to a call would be an idiotic policy. After you are already on the block, that would be idiotic. There's usually some preliminary house-keeping and note-taking from the call ticket on the screen that doesn't need to be recorded, and recording all of that uselessly on each call would add up to a lot of needless recording and cut down on BWC battery life. You really have to be selective on when you're running your camera; if you run it for every little thing at the beginning of your shift, you'll run out of battery life long before the end of an eight hour shift. So I generally turn my camera on as I get out of the car and do some narrative for the benefit of the guy who runs our camera program so he knows what call ticket to attach the video to. I can see where having her approach the car would short circuit that normal process if they follow a similar process. I've had people approach my car as I've arrived and before I've gotten out/ started my BWC |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:22:08 AM EDT
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Your last paragraph is awfully similar to a lot of poor legislation being proposed by the left in CA currently. We have good, solid case law governing UoF. I’ve seen nothing from Noor that leads me to believe it was a justifiable shoot. The part regarding him refusing to speak with investigators is especially telling in my mind Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most likely outcome is Noor will see no penalty beyond the loss of his job, and a fresh recruit selected only on the basis of demographics will be hired in his place. This new recruit will be equally skilled in the law, policy, marksmanship, and courage. There's a TINY possibility that this case will cause policies to be passed requiring constantly running cameras, or, as I hope, legislation that dictates state wide camera policy as well as periodic review and fines for officers found to be failing to turn cameras on when they should. EVENTUALLY, this kind of behavior is going to continue until the citizenry is sick of police being able to shoot at the smallest provocation and use the magic words 'but I was scared!' and changes are going to be made. Some potential changes that I personally hope for is #1 strip an officer involved in such an incident of credentials permanently. #2 instead of viewing those cases in the split second of the shooting, back it up 5 minutes and say 'Did the officer take appropriate steps leading up to the shooting? Did his actions de escalate or escalate the situation? Did he approach the situation in a way that allowed him to be as informed as possible?' So if officers really thought they were likely to be driving into an ambush and stated this was why they shot so quickly, the question then becomes, if an officer really thought he was driving into an ambush, wouldn't he #1 turn his body camera on #2 sweep the area with his lights extensively as he approached #3 called for backup #4 chosen the spot to stop the squad in the best tactical location #5 both partners would be looking out eyes peeled for threat vs chatting casually. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:24:21 AM EDT
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There's a Black-only Police union in Baltimore, "The Vanguard". They apparently have a lot of political pull (I learned this on the Wire but I looked it up and it's a thing). But wasn't he the only Somali cop? Was there a union just for him? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Somali-American Police Officers Association" But wasn't he the only Somali cop? Was there a union just for him? |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:25:50 AM EDT
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It's not being swept under the rug, the piece of shit is in trial and I'd bet the farm he's found guilty. I wonder if the cop blockers here actually hope he's acquitted, just to validate their goofy bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He’ll probably get off... Multiple defense theories will be used, from PTSD from the Somalia civil war to racial discrimination in the US to "she made a move, he had to get it on." It'll be blamed on bad training or some shit & all this will be swept under the rug after the not guilty verdict. I wonder if the cop blockers here actually hope he's acquitted, just to validate their goofy bullshit. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:27:00 AM EDT
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Why not just 24/7 body cams? Wouldn't you like to see live action footage of some cop taking a piss in an alley? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not having a cam turned on because you're not expecting anything is like not having a round chambered. Let's put an auxilary sensor in the holster that ensures the cam is on if your weapon is drawn. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:29:32 AM EDT
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Just popping in to say that no Muslim in this country should ever be given armed authority over any American. This man has no place in law enforcement, or in this country for that matter.
He shot an unarmed white woman for no reason whatsoever, on top of that. I hope they stick him in one of those flaming tires out in front of the courthouse. Piece of third world filth. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 11:57:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2019 12:01:24 PM EDT
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Get off the cross, we need the wood. This is a bad cop. Everyone wants him to be punished, severely for what he did. Your victim cop crap is getting old. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 12:15:34 PM EDT
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As I've said many times, most police agencies are much more budget conscious than is recognized here. They aren't going to buy a holster or tech that kicks a BWC on every time the gun is drawn. Maybe a few will, most will ..or cannot afford to..do so. A few possible solutions: proportional pay cuts to directly pay for acquisition costs, raise freeze for multiple years department wide, overtime caps, reduction in unnecessary spending in other areas, elimination of non-essential personnel, issue a municipal bond to spread the cost. As a side note, body cams ought to be considered essential equipment nowadays no differently than squad cars, issued firearms, radios, computers etc. and be budgeted for accordingly. Technology starts as a novelty and grows into a necessity, look at smartphones now vs a decade ago. |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 12:20:57 PM EDT
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Two rookie cops, with poor training, in the same car, in the dark, on a possibly questionable call. At least one a social hire, scared out of his wits & way out of element. What could go wrong?
The ‘real’ problem is way up the food chain. What happened was the results, not the cause. Neither cop should have ever had a badge. Neither should their boss(s). |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 12:37:13 PM EDT
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"Look at me. I am the defendant now."
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Posted: 4/26/2019 1:23:52 PM EDT
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T When was the last time a white blonde in PJs (WITH NO WEAPON) ambushed a cop? |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 1:27:08 PM EDT
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You have a duty to stay in an ambush zone if you believe you are being targeted? You can’t egress and call for backup? (assuming that Noor was doing what he says he was doing when he killed her) |
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Posted: 4/26/2019 1:33:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that's how you approach your job, I respect the hell out of you. But purely from a legal standpoint, the Supreme Court has ruled that cops do not have a duty to put themselves In Harm's Way or protect people. |
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