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Posted: 12/29/2003 8:06:26 AM EDT
Hitler's father was illegitamete and probably half jewish, having been conceived when Hitlers grandmother worked as a maid for a jewish family, the Frankenbergers, who paid support for the son until he was fourteen years old. When the Germans annexed Austria, Hitler had the area of his fathers birthplace, Dollersheim, and the grave of his grandmother, designated a tank training ground, thus destroying all evidence forever.
In addition to his probably being one quater jewish, his life was full of aquantences with jews. His mothers doctor, who treated her until she died on December 21, 1907 was jewish. Hitler received his First Class Iron Cross in World War I from a jew, First Lieutenant hugo Gutmann. He borrowed his psychology of the masses from Sigmund Freud, a jew. Eva Braun, his mistress, was saved from her second suicide attempt by a jewsih doctor, Martin Marx. His vegetarian cook, Marlene von Exner, was also part jewish. And finally one of Hitlers allies in the war, Francisco Franco, was half jewish, a fact carefully hidden from him by Hitlers advisors. The Nazi party was the N.S.D.A.P. or National Socialist German Workers party. Hitler was not a nationalist; his willful destruction of Germany at the end of the war proves this. He was not a socialist, and he killed off all the socialists during the Roehm purge in 1934. He was not German having been born in Austria and was never really a member of the 'working class.' Hitler was not by their own definition a 'nazi.' Hitler & Napoleon: Both had photographic memories. Both were foreigners to the countries they headed. Both were contemptuously called "carpet chewers." Napoleon was 5'7", Hitler was 5'8". Napoleons coup de tat of Bramaise was on Nov. 9, 1799, Hitlers attmpted Putsch was Nov. 9, 1923. Both planned their invasions of Russia while still preparing their invasions of Britain. Napoleon captured Vilna on June 24, 1813; Hitler captured it on June 24, 1941. Hitler had 3 nephews; Hans Hitler who fought at Stalingrad and escaped back to German lines, Heinz Hitler who fought at Stalingrad and was captured and died in captivity and William Patrick Hitler, the son of Alois Jr. (Hitlers half brother), and the brother of Heinz, who served in the US Navy during WWII. Willaim Patrick Hitler lives in New York but changed his name. |
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Quoted: and was never really a member of the 'working class.' View Quote Hmmm.....he was trained and graduated as a blacksmith. SRM |
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Here's his sister's website:
http://www.auschwitz.dk/Paula.htm Here's one on his half brother: http://fp.dowling.f9.co.uk/i1910hit.htm I didn't hot link them on purpose. |
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You ought to post that on Pre-Ban.com so that the Resident Nazi Troll can see it and stew....
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Quoted: Quoted: and was never really a member of the 'working class.' View Quote Hmmm.....he was trained and graduated as a blacksmith. SRM View Quote Yes, that point is debatable. And he had his 'starving artist' period. However when he was a member of the NSDAP, he was hardly 'working class' for very long. |
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Quoted: Hitler's father was illegitamete and probably half jewish, having been conceived when Hitlers grandmother worked as a maid for a jewish family, the Frankenbergers, who paid support for the son until he was fourteen years old. When the Germans annexed Austria, Hitler had the area of his fathers birthplace, Dollersheim, and the grave of his grandmother, designated a tank training ground, thus destroying all evidence forever. View Quote I would'nt call this a fact by any stretch of the imagination. The only source for this story is Hans Frank who gave the information at the Nuremberg trials. Even he does not say for sure, only that it was not out of the question that Hitler's father could be half-Jewish. His proof, letters between a distant relative of Hitler and Franks neither of which could be supplied by Franks. Werner Maser, a Hitler Historian, researched the matter and stated this: Jews were expelled from Graz in the 15th century and not allowed to return till the 1860's. Hilters father was born in 1837 when there were no Jews in the city. Maser believes Hitler's real father was his legal Grandfathers brother. He just so happened to be the grandfather of Hitlers mother. F'ed up family to say the least. Course, Maser does not have any other proof either so at best all we have are guesses not facts. The destruction of the villages of Strones and Dollersheim is another story. While the story of Franks gives a logical reason for leveling the area another story involves Hitler's obsession with his superior in WW1( Hugo Gutmann). Brigitte Hamann wrote in a book that Gutmann(A Jew) either violated Hitler in some way in WW1 or Hitler precieved that Gutmann did and that this episode was the focal point in Hitler's attitude toward Jews. Much of the debate has to do with Hitler receiving the Iron cross and Gutmann timeliness in giving it. Hitler later in a speech signalled out Gutmann "as an example of how German honour had been violated during WW 1 by Jews bearing the Iron Cross". So what does this have to do with Dollersheim, you say. The place where Hitler received his Iron Cross was in Soissons. At the site, he levelled the area and installed a new headquarters "Wolfsschlucht 2", (from a play about a pact with the devil who has a Jewish name). Hamann theorizes that Hitler suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder thought to erase old memories by leveling the area and rebuilding on it. Strones and Dollersheim could have been leveled for the same reason as Soissons, to erase memories. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Hitler's father was illegitamete and probably half jewish, having been conceived when Hitlers grandmother worked as a maid for a jewish family, the Frankenbergers, who paid support for the son until he was fourteen years old. When the Germans annexed Austria, Hitler had the area of his fathers birthplace, Dollersheim, and the grave of his grandmother, designated a tank training ground, thus destroying all evidence forever. View Quote I would'nt call this a fact by any stretch of the imagination. The only source for this story is Hans Frank who gave the information at the Nuremberg trials. Even he does not say for sure, only that it was not out of the question that Hitler's father could be half-Jewish. His proof, letters between a distant relative of Hitler and Franks neither of which could be supplied by Franks. Werner Maser, a Hitler Historian, researched the matter and stated this: Jews were expelled from Graz in the 15th century and not allowed to return till the 1860's. Hilters father was born in 1837 when there were no Jews in the city. Maser believes Hitler's real father was his legal Grandfathers brother. He just so happened to be the grandfather of Hitlers mother. F'ed up family to say the least. Course, Maser does not have any other proof either so at best all we have are guesses not facts. The destruction of the villages of Strones and Dollersheim is another story. While the story of Franks gives a logical reason for leveling the area another story involves Hitler's obsession with his superior in WW1( Hugo Gutmann). Brigitte Hamann wrote in a book that Gutmann(A Jew) either violated Hitler in some way in WW1 or Hitler precieved that Gutmann did and that this episode was the focal point in Hitler's attitude toward Jews. Much of the debate has to do with Hitler receiving the Iron cross and Gutmann timeliness in giving it. Hitler later in a speech signalled out Gutmann "as an example of how German honour had been violated during WW 1 by Jews bearing the Iron Cross". So what does this have to do with Dollersheim, you say. The place where Hitler received his Iron Cross was in Soissons. At the site, he levelled the area and installed a new headquarters "Wolfsschlucht 2", (from a play about a pact with the devil who has a Jewish name). Hamann theorizes that Hitler suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder thought to erase old memories by leveling the area and rebuilding on it. Strones and Dollersheim could have been leveled for the same reason as Soissons, to erase memories. View Quote Hitler's father was illegitamate and [red]probably[/red] half jewish, [red]thus destroying all evidence forever[/red] And as even you noted: "Even he does not say for sure, only that it was not out of the question that Hitler's father could be half-Jewish." But given the fact that Hitler destroyed Dollersheim and the grave of his grandmother, I'd say he might have had something to hide. |
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My understanding is that PART of Hitlers immense hate for Jewish persons had to do with the fact that MANY of them were communists, which he hated also.
Some correlation, tho not necessarily 100% causal relationship. Just ONE factor.... |
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Quoted: My understanding is that PART of Hitlers immense hate for Jewish persons had to do with the fact that MANY of them were communists, which he hated also. Some correlation, tho not necessarily 100% causal relationship. Just ONE factor.... View Quote Would have been part of the reason. The other was certainly poltical opportunism. The European jews were a prime target, wealthy, exploitable and generally resented by a almost universally anti semitic Europe. One needs only read the Protocals to realize Hitler hardly invented anti semetism but merely used it for his own benefits. Of interest, is the fact that most scholars agree the Protocols probably first surfaced in Russia where anti semetism ran very high. Anti semetism was also prevelent in the United States. Henry Ford published a anti semetic newspaper and actually received a Iron Cross for his efforts. Hitlers imigration policies were based directly on those of the US and the vast majority of European jewish refugees fleeing Europe were denied entrance to the US. But in the end it was just political expediency. Hitler needed a boogeyman to blame the woes of Germany (and indeed Europe) on. This alleviated Germany of any blame for their own troubles and the jews fit the bill nicely. What should be remembered is all of Europe (and even Russia) accepted the notion and went along with it. |
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Quoted: But in the end it was just political expediency. [strike]Hitler[/strike] Democrats needed a boogeyman to blame the woes of [strike]Germany[/strike] the USA (... on. This alleviated [strike]Germany[/strike] Liberals of any blame for their own troubles and the [strike]jews[/strike] Conservatives fit the bill nicely. . View Quote Classical use of class struggle. Liberals create an underclass (blacks, hispanics, poor, etc) and set themselves up as their saviours, when in fact it is Liberal policies and ideology that is to blame for MUCH of teh problems so-called "under priviledged" people experience. Boiled down.... Liberals = Hitler - death camps |
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Quoted: Quoted: But in the end it was just political expediency. [strike]Hitler[/strike] Democrats needed a boogeyman to blame the woes of [strike]Germany[/strike] the USA (... on. This alleviated [strike]Germany[/strike] Liberals of any blame for their own troubles and the [strike]jews[/strike] Conservatives fit the bill nicely. . View Quote Classical use of class struggle. Liberals create an underclass (blacks, hispanics, poor, etc) and set themselves up as their saviours, when in fact it is Liberal policies and ideology that is to blame for MUCH of teh problems so-called "under priviledged" people experience. Boiled down.... Liberals = Hitler - death camps View Quote Re education camps. RE: Museum of Tolerance. |
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Quoted: But in the end it was just political expediency. Hitler needed a boogeyman to blame the woes of Germany (and indeed Europe) on. This alleviated Germany of any blame for their own troubles and the jews fit the bill nicely. What should be remembered is all of Europe (and even Russia) accepted the notion and went along with it. View Quote From what I have read, the resources that Hitler diverted towards killing Jews, even while he was losing the war, strongly suggests that it was more then just political expediency. What would have been the outcome of the war if he had forced the Jews to work in factories instead of being slaughtered? What about the trains, troops, and fuel diverted from war duties even while the Allies were closing in on Berlin? |
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Here's a small article about Hitler's ranch in Cheyenne County, Colorado -
[url]http://www.gjsentinel.com/featr/content/features/portraitp10.html?urac=n&urvf=10727388596170.7409689242963148[/url] I couldn't find anything more detailed, with a plat, and so on, on the internet. |
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Quoted: Quoted: But in the end it was just political expediency. Hitler needed a boogeyman to blame the woes of Germany (and indeed Europe) on. This alleviated Germany of any blame for their own troubles and the jews fit the bill nicely. What should be remembered is all of Europe (and even Russia) accepted the notion and went along with it. View Quote From what I have read, the resources that Hitler diverted towards killing Jews, even while he was losing the war, strongly suggests that it was more then just political expediency. What would have been the outcome of the war if he had forced the Jews to work in factories instead of being slaughtered? What about the trains, troops, and fuel diverted from war duties even while the Allies were closing in on Berlin? View Quote In the 1930s I think it was mostly a matter of political expediency, but this is not to suggest he was neutral towards the jews personally. As far as how he ran things towards the end of the war, the jews were just one more example. He personally interfered with just about all aspects of running the war in any practical way. In the end Hitler was possibly as much an asset to the allies as an obstacle. |
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Quoted: Mein Gott! Who vould haff known? View Quote [LOLabove] I don't know why, but that made me LMAO. |
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I think the 'Hitler was part-Jewish' story is dead wrong for the very reasons cited by [b]Atencio[/b], above.
It only serves as bitter irony for some, and as just another smack against the Jews for others. Whatever the truth might be, Hitler never acted as a Jew, worshipped as a Jew, or considered himself as a Jew. So what 'makes' him a Jew? The fact that his father may have been half-Jewish? Well, we all know that you are not considered Jewish because your father was a Jew, but only because your mother was a Jew. And Hitler's clearly wasn't, was she? Eric The(Doubting)Hun[>]:)] |
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mace, that is a question I have wondered about for a long time. No doubt will get some answers here.
He DID make some of them work, though slave output can be poor. Used to know an old guy here who had been slave labor in the camps. Had the tatto and would talk about it as long as you wished to listen. He made fomenated (sp?) mercury primers. Said they parked a wagon at the factory every morning to haul away the bodies. Said it was NEVER empty in the evening. He decided to refuse to allow Hitler to kill him. Worked, I guess, because he survived and Hitler didn't. Tough old bird; I miss him. R.I.P. Henry. |
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Quoted: He also had one nut. View Quote And his wife's vagina was also to small, so she had to have surgery done to make it bigger. |
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Quoted: Whatever the truth might be, Hitler never acted as a Jew, worshipped as a Jew, or considered himself as a Jew. View Quote That is true. In fact it may have been possible that he did not discover his legacy until later in life, probably about when he began investigating other people. Quoted: So what 'makes' him a Jew? The fact that his father may have been half-Jewish? View Quote Well that is enough for some. In fact I have seen it suggested by many here that even jews who do not recognize or practice theri faith are still jews by birth. I even started a topic "OK, What Is A Jew" (I think that was the title), to finally get a definitive answer on what is and isn't a jew since it seems to be both a race and a religion. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Mein Gott! Who vould haff known? View Quote [LOLabove] I don't know why, but that made me LMAO. View Quote Then my job here is done. [:D] |
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What was the deal with the 'Schickelgruber' name??
Was it a birth name?? Dropped because 'heil Schickelgruber' just doen't sound good?? |
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Quoted: Both were contemptuously called "carpet chewers." View Quote Hitler [b][i]and[/i][/b] Napolean were BOTH [B]LESBIANS?!?!?[/B][:p][LOL] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Both were contemptuously called "carpet chewers." View Quote Hitler [b][i]and[/i][/b] Napolean were BOTH [B]LESBIANS?!?!?[/B][:p][LOL] View Quote Could be...both were kinda ugly. |
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I also read somewhere that Hitler liked to have women shit on his face, don't remember where.
The nazi party was evil but one thing they had right was the opposition to communism which I see as being a greater evil than nazism. If Hitler would have made an agreement with Poland allowing Germany to cross their land to attack Russia instead of getting bogged down in the west, world history might be a lot different. Of course the holocaust would still have happened, which is what I believe doomed Germany to defeat in a metaphysical sense. We must remember that anti-semitism was a world wide reality, with disdain for the Jews universal in Europe, Britain, and America. It wasn't until after the war, when the full horror was revealed that outrage against the nazis "final solution" became vogue. Especially when Nazi leaders went on trial. The truth is, we had hints of what was going on, one can go back and review microfilm from newspapers in the early 1940s and find articles. Just as in our Civil War, the fiction that says it was a sttruggle over the liberation of slaves prevails; when in reality emancapation was at best, an afterthought, and at worst, a strategic ploy on the part of Lincoln to spread mayhem in the South. Don't get me wrong, slavery and the holocaust were great evils, but were not why either war was fought. I realize I'm off on a tangent here so I digress... |
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Quoted: I also read somewhere that Hitler liked to have women shit on his face, don't remember where. View Quote Actually the rumor was he was into golden, not brown showers. What is even more interesting is that nearly every woman he had contact with tried to, or did kill herself. |
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I'm curious regarding the number of people who had the last name "Hitler" changed because of the war. One day, junior is doing his genealogy project, and asks, "why isn't there any family history before 193x?" The parents who named their kids Saddam Hussein after the first gulf war are in the same boat!
I also find amazing the propaganda machine and spin doctors that were behind Hitler and the nazi party. I can't imagine him being a marketable product by himself alone! |
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The History channel covered this. He was also a possible member of the communist party before joining the Nazi party. Choosing the later for more political gains.
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They also compared Hitler to Stalin. Both were severely beaten by their fathers. Hitler's dad almost killed him. The theory being this was reason for their Megalomania killing sprees.
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Quoted: I'm curious regarding the number of people who had the last name "Hitler" changed because of the war. View Quote I used to live next door to Joe Hitler. I used to come home from a second shift job in the middle of the night and he'd be sitting in his chair, lights off, shades wide open,illuminated only by his TV set, buck assed naked. He was also about 75 years old. Weird old dude. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm curious regarding the number of people who had the last name "Hitler" changed because of the war. View Quote I used to live next door to Joe Hitler. I used to come home from a second shift job in the middle of the night and he'd be sitting in his chair, lights off, shades wide open,illuminated only by his TV set, buck assed naked. He was also about 75 years old. Weird old dude. View Quote Holy Crap. I think his last name was the least of his problems. [LOL] |
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