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Posted: 12/12/2003 12:20:58 AM EDT
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Damn, dude get a peephole. You are a little high strung.
I knew there was a reason I stood to the side of the door when knocking. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 12:24:33 AM EDT
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How exciting [):)]
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Posted: 12/12/2003 12:39:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: Damn, dude get a peephole. You are a little high strung. I knew there was a reason I stood to the side of the door when knocking. Well, yes, I probably am a bit high strung, but how many times do people knock on your door at 1 am? Besides, no one has knocked on my door for several months - I don't get visitors and usually don't tell people where I live. If I go out with people or hang out, it's not at my place. Also, the door does have a peephole, but it doesn't work right. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 12:47:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: How exciting [):)] |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 1:28:03 AM EDT
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Boo Radley
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Posted: 12/12/2003 1:34:28 AM EDT
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No shit, get a peephole. It will help allot in just that situation. They are cheap and easy to install.
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Posted: 12/12/2003 3:08:07 AM EDT
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I have a peephole, but at 0100 I'm reacting the same way, cop or not.
Eddie |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 3:20:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Well, yes, I probably am a bit high strung, but how many times do people knock on your door at 1 am? Besides, no one has knocked on my door for several months - I don't get visitors and usually don't tell people where I live. Dude, you ever watch "Silence of the Lambs?" Also, the door does have a peephole, but it doesn't work right. That's generally what happens when you paint over it. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 4:10:54 AM EDT
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You're lucky you didn't accidentally catch a bullet opening the door to a cop with gun in hand. I use a peephole.
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Posted: 12/12/2003 4:25:18 AM EDT
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Peep hole sheep hole.
1 am, I WILL NOT OPEN THE DOOR. ME in a loud voice through the closed door: What the fuck do you want ! COP In a loud voice: Its the police. Please open the door, sir ? ME in a loud voice through the closed door: What is the problem officer ? COP : Could you open the door, sir ? ME in a loud voice through the closed door: WHY ? You get the point. WHY open the door ? |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 4:26:47 AM EDT
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I had the apartment maintenance man [B]unlock my door and walk in the apartment[/B]one morning about 1:30AM. Seems the pipes had frozen and broken in one of the apartments and he was looking for the leak. He thought my apartment was vacant. I damn near shot him. He was about three steps into the living room when I threw down on him. Lucky for him I recognized him and he stopped when challenged. The manager was standing right behind him while all this was going on. He quit the next week.
It's amazing how fast you can go from a dead sleep to cocked and locked isn't it. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 4:33:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: Peep hole sheep hole. 1 am, I WILL NOT OPEN THE DOOR. ME in a loud voice through the closed door: What the fuck do you want ! COP In a loud voice: Its the police. Please open the door, sir ? ME in a loud voice through the closed door: What is the problem officer ? COP : Could you open the door, sir ? ME in a loud voice through the closed door: WHY ? You get the point. WHY open the door ? Why? 1. Because the building is on fire 2. Because your (mother, father, sister, brother, wife, son, daughter) has been (arrested, involved in an accident, caught sniffing glue) 3. Because they know you have a preban upper on a postban lower The list goes on. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 4:40:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Peep hole sheep hole. 1 am, I WILL NOT OPEN THE DOOR. ME in a loud voice through the closed door: What the fuck do you want ! COP In a loud voice: Its the police. Please open the door, sir ? ME in a loud voice through the closed door: What is the problem officer ? COP : Could you open the door, sir ? ME in a loud voice through the closed door: WHY ? You get the point. WHY open the door ? Why? 1. Because the building is on fire 2. Because your (mother, father, sister, brother, wife, son, daughter) has been (arrested, involved in an accident, caught sniffing glue) 3. Because they know you have a preban upper on a postban lower The list goes on. My point is if he HAS reason I will open the door. Find out why first. Cop : Sir do you own a blue pick up ME through closed door at 1:00am : NO |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 4:42:51 AM EDT
[#14]
There ARE scumbags out there who will impersonate a cop. An unexpected knock is always answered armed. I know most of the deputies around here but new ones are hired rather often too. I won't threaten the guy but I DO want to see ID BEFORE I open my door.
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Posted: 12/12/2003 4:45:06 AM EDT
[#15]
im scared of the peep-hole...
I feel that someone will stab an ice pick thru it when they see the light that shines thru is blocked by my head... < meaning my eye is right where they want it.. ive never even heard of that happening.. but no peep-hole for me.. > and no.. Im not kidding.. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 4:48:49 AM EDT
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Quoted: Also, the door does have a peephole, but it doesn't work right. The cop had already seen in the house... turn the peephole around. [;)] DrMark |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 5:06:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Peep hole sheep hole. 1 am, I WILL NOT OPEN THE DOOR. ME in a loud voice through the closed door: What the fuck do you want ! COP In a loud voice: Its the police. Please open the door, sir ? ME in a loud voice through the closed door: What is the problem officer ? COP : Could you open the door, sir ? ME in a loud voice through the closed door: WHY ? You get the point. WHY open the door ? Why? 1. Because the building is on fire 2. Because your (mother, father, sister, brother, wife, son, daughter) has been (arrested, involved in an accident, caught sniffing glue) 3. Because they know you have a preban upper on a postban lower The list goes on. My point is if he HAS reason I will open the door. Find out why first. Cop : Sir do you own a blue pick up ME through closed door at 1:00am : NO Cop: Could you open the door sir? You: Fuck off type response Cop: Fine sir, thank you. Turns out someone smashed your car window and it's about to pour . . . but since you reacted like a jerk the cop leaves without telling you and writes it up that you refused to answer the door. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 5:11:06 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted: im scared of the peep-hole... I feel that someone will stab an ice pick thru it when they see the light that shines thru is blocked by my head... < meaning my eye is right where they want it.. ive never even heard of that happening.. but no peep-hole for me.. > and no.. Im not kidding.. Thank you very much for sharing your phobia with me!!! I'm never going to be able to use a peep hole again without that thought going through my head... And I have a lot a years of peeping left in me. [:)] Kent |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 5:20:13 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted: Quoted: im scared of the peep-hole... I feel that someone will stab an ice pick thru it when they see the light that shines thru is blocked by my head... < meaning my eye is right where they want it.. ive never even heard of that happening.. but no peep-hole for me.. > and no.. Im not kidding.. Thank you very much for sharing your phobia with me!!! I'm never going to be able to use a peep hole again without that thought going through my head... And I have a lot a years of peeping left in me. [:)] Kent When I get sent on "dope in the dorm" type calls, I knock on the door and then cover the peep hole with my thumb. A sober person will ask who it is. A stoner, almost 99% of the time, will open the door to see what is blocking in the peep hole. Works great! Dave |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 5:35:03 AM EDT
[#20]
I've answered the door at 2am with a pistol in my hand.
Like you, I don't get people that late. Turned out to the neighbor's daughter, who was locked out and needed to call mom. She never saw my gun. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 5:58:53 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: Quoted: im scared of the peep-hole... I feel that someone will stab an ice pick thru it when they see the light that shines thru is blocked by my head... < meaning my eye is right where they want it.. ive never even heard of that happening.. but no peep-hole for me.. > and no.. Im not kidding.. Thank you very much for sharing your phobia with me!!! I'm never going to be able to use a peep hole again without that thought going through my head... And I have a lot a years of peeping left in me. [:)] Kent OMG...[rofl2] |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 6:09:56 AM EDT
[#22]
Ever seen "The Professional"?
That's how I answer my door. [;D] |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 6:15:40 AM EDT
[#23]
You need to get over the belief that your Kimber is an extension of your penis. Miss-using your penis costs you half of everything plus monthly paymnets. Miss-using your Kimber can get you all that and lodging in jail.
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Posted: 12/12/2003 6:19:46 AM EDT
[#24]
Jesus christ you guys need to amp down. How the hell do you enjoy life running around acting captain tactical all the damn time?
If you're really scared of th peephole, they sell big ones that you can stand back from the door and still see who it is. Personally I have always lived in places where I had a window near the door that I could see out of and see who was at the front door. If you're building your own house, it's a good idea to design in something like that. If you're a studend of Cooper, you'll already know this. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 6:28:26 AM EDT
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I agree with U-Baddog, If you did not call them then they have no reason to be there. I used to share an apartment with my brother, one time we were drunk, wrestling around and making a bunch of noise so the people below us called the cops
(I guess that is easier than being a man and coming to us and asking that we keep the noise down)when they arrived we just told them that we had nothing to say to them and refused to open the door. They went away. Tom |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 6:31:19 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Damn, dude get a peephole. You are a little high strung. I knew there was a reason I stood to the side of the door when knocking. i would do the same to anyone who knocks on my door after midnight |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 6:41:36 AM EDT
[#27]
Quoted: Jesus christ you guys need to amp down. How the hell do you enjoy life running around acting captain tactical all the damn time? Damn! I agree with Norman on something. Some of you really have issues. Paranoia is not a healthy lifestyle, though I must admit, one with never a dull moment. Right off the bat I can think of quite a few reasons why the police could show up at my door at 1am. Canvassing for witnesses to a crime. (Sir, in the past hour or so, have you heard any screaming?) Gas leak inform you of a manhunt in your neighborhood. (Did this Weds at 0400. Bet a few people reconsidered their lack of gun ownership that night) Asking you if you know where your car is. (If I'm asking this question, your car is NOT where you think you left it.) 911 hangup call (We get dozens of these. People using calling cards are especially prone to this) Asking for access to your property. (Fire dept was one example already given) Not every knock on your door is a SHTF scenario. Bad guys won't knock in the first place, You'd be amazed how easy it is to kick a door in. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 6:42:24 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: Quoted: Jesus christ you guys need to amp down. How the hell do you enjoy life running around acting captain tactical all the damn time? Damn! I agree with Norman on something. I love it when people say that! |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 6:47:33 AM EDT
[#29]
There's a difference between being scared and being prepared.
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Posted: 12/12/2003 7:37:05 AM EDT
[#30]
I only answer my door after I've put on my black tactical pants, commander-style black boots, tactical belt with 1911/tac knife/flashlight/cuffs/two extra pistol mags attached, black t-shirt, black baseball cap, and either my Bushy 20" A2 or Winchester 1300 12 gauge in hand.
Funny though there's never anyone there when I get there. I think they're all just playing pranks on me. Maybe if I slept with all my gear on, I could catch the these mysterious knockers who are messing with me... [%|] Mmmm... "knockers" |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 8:14:58 AM EDT
[#31]
I see nothing wrong it going to the door armed, its kept he JWs from coming back!
CH |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 8:21:39 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Jesus christ you guys need to amp down. How the hell do you enjoy life running around acting captain tactical all the damn time? People knocking at my door at 1am means I am already not enjoying life. Cooper also has a long hallway and such with gates on either end of the main entrance, huh? You say don't act like CPT Tactical, but yet you quote a tactically sound principle of checking who is at your door through a window designed to do so..... Contradictions don't help your point. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 8:25:14 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Bad guys won't knock in the first place, You'd be amazed how easy it is to kick a door in. Well shit, then it could be VERY confusing for the average person if a team of cops no-knocks the wrong house in the middle of the night, huh? If only bad guys enter without knocking, then why don't cops knock?? [lol] |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 8:55:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Jesus christ you guys need to amp down. How the hell do you enjoy life running around acting captain tactical all the damn time? People knocking at my door at 1am means I am already not enjoying life. Cooper also has a long hallway and such with gates on either end of the main entrance, huh? You say don't act like CPT Tactical, but yet you quote a tactically sound principle of checking who is at your door through a window designed to do so..... Contradictions don't help your point. Here's your answer Quoted: There's a difference between being scared and being prepared. Studying Cooper doesn't mean do what he does all the time either. Nobody is 100% correct all the time. That guy lives at Gunsite for christ's sake, do you really think he needs ANY of that horseshit? If you live in an area where you go running off to the door with a gun everytime someone knocks & scares you, you should either move, or get a dog. Probably both. My impression of the original poster is that he lives in fear. I guess it works for some folks, the rest of us actually have lives to attend to. My dog, guns, practice, knives, heightened sense of awareness etc. aren't there to limit my life, they are there to make sure I get to enjoy it. Yet, this guy is so scared, but he won't do the basic things to keep himself safe. The point I was making about Cooper's window was that there are basic preparations you can take so that you don't have to put on your level III chemical and biohazard & bulletproof suit before you answer the door all the time. Get a proper peep-hole, get a dog, get a place with good window placement, MOVE, etc. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 8:58:23 AM EDT
[#35]
Damn, don't you guys have your PEEPHOLE TACTICS down?? j/k
Actually, I've always had a penny taped over the peephole so that it is always dark and people can't look inside. Then when you do need to use the peephole, I'd just lift up the taped penny, so that for someone outside they don't see the difference from when it goes from light to dark. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:08:58 AM EDT
[#36]
Johninaustin,
Bad guys won't knock in the first place, You'd be amazed how easy it is to kick a door in. Actually, a large percentage of home invasions start with a knock on the door, and impersonation of a police officer isn't uncommon at all. I really don't see being armed when answering the door at one in the morning as paranoid. Asking a supposed cop to state his business through a closed, locked door seems entirely appropriate to me as well. Remember all, you can always call the 911 center to confirm the ID of anyone claimang to be a cop. Samples from a short search: This week Crime Stoppers needs your help in solving a home invasion that occurred Highland Road near Lee Drive on Thursday, August 16, 2001 and is currently under investigation by the Baton Rouge Police Armed Robbery Division. Here are some of the facts: On Thursday, August 16, 2001 around midnight at an apartment on Highland Road near Lee Drive, two male subjects [blue]knocked on the door[/blue] of the victim's apartment. The victim answered the door and the Black Male subject asked, "is Chelsea there". The victim told the Black Male that no one by that name resided at the apartment and she shut and locked the door. A short time later, the subjects knocked again on the door and the victim's friend opened the door and the two subjects forced their way in at knifepoint. The two subjects took control of the victims and each were forced into different bedrooms... ROCHESTER — Police are looking for a Pembroke man suspected, along with two others of being involved in a home invasion on Pleasant Street early Saturday morning... The victims said they were pistol-whipped and threatened with a gun by three people after they [blue]knocked on the door[/blue] and pushed their way in. Van Nuys, Calif.: On Monday, February 7, 2000, at approximately 9:05 p.m., a Vietnamese family, ages ranging from 13-51 years old, were inside their residence located on the 17500 block of Sherman Way when an unknown individual [blue]knocked on the door[/blue]. Upon opening the door, a lone male suspect, possible of Cambodian decent, armed with a handgun, entered the home. The suspect ordered the victim to the floor and an undetermined number of other suspects also entered the home. The suspects ripped the telephone cords from the wall to prevent the victims from calling police, ransacked the residence and took an unknown amount of jewelry and money. None of the family members were injured during the robbery. 12/04/03) WYANDANCH - Police say a home invasion happened at a two family home located 56 Spruce Street in Wyandanch Wednesday night. Suffolk detectives say at around 11 p.m., three men walked up to the side of the house and [blue]knocked on the door[/blue].Police say as soon as a woman who lived inside opened the door, she was rushed by the men, one of which struck her with a handgun and snatched a chain from around her neck. Cops say the woman's boyfriend was also hit in the head with a handgun. With the homeowners bruised and begging for mercy, the men ransacked the home. But the torture didn't end there. Police say the gunmen forced the woman to the front of the house. They told her to cry for help and if she didn't, they would kill her. Police say she yelled for someone to call police and it was enough to get the attention of the woman who lived in the second floor apartment. The men fled the scene and police are still searching for them. As for the family that lives in the house, they say they're moving out until the men are caught. Shelby County Sheriff's Office investigators now have a picture of the man believed to be the person responsible for a home invasion earlier this week in East Shelby County. A lady reported a man [blue]knocked on her door[/blue], [red]flashed a law enforcement badge[/red] and then barged into her home in the 8700 Block of River Wood Farms Parkway this past Wednesday. The man was armed and threatened to rob her. As the man attempted to kidnap the woman and drive her to a bank teller machine, a real estate agent who was scheduled to meet the woman pulled up into the driveway and scared off the intruder. You keep answering the door unarmed if you want. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:11:07 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Remember all, you can always call the 911 center to confirm the ID of anyone claimang to be a cop. Shit, but then what do I do with that really cool sticker on my front door that says "I don't dial 9-1-1"? |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:11:11 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted: Damn, dude get a peephole. You are a little high strung. I knew there was a reason I stood to the side of the door when knocking. Screw a peephole.... I got one like this but with a wider field of view.... it is great! [url]http://www.quietek.com.au/[/url] |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:14:28 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: Quoted: Damn, dude get a peephole. You are a little high strung. I knew there was a reason I stood to the side of the door when knocking. Screw a peephole.... I got one like this but with a wider field of view.... it is great! [url]http://www.quietek.com.au/[/url] That is exactly what I was talking about. They had them in the dorms when I was in college. [img]http://www.quietek.com.au/images/imageL13_140.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:16:12 AM EDT
[#40]
geez. Maybe some of you guys live in safer dwellings than I have, but in some apartment complexes I've lived in it would be foolish to answer the door at 1 a.m. without arming yourself. At that hour, there can only be one of a few reasons for someone at your door. If it's a cop, no problem. If it is somebody pretending to be a cop, they COULD see you cover the peephole, kick in the door and send you reeling. (There have been home invasions in several affluent Dallas neighborhoods where bad guys dress in "Police" black gear.)
My family depends on me as their last line of defense. I will be armed. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:20:49 AM EDT
[#41]
I’d think there needs to be compromise in how to handle this.
Simply opening a door to an unidentified person at 1 AM is, IMHO, a really bad idea. OTOH, you can’t live your life hiding under your bed!! And need I date myself badly by mentioning Kitty Genovese? Quoted: im scared of the peep-hole... I feel that someone will stab an ice pick thru it when they see the light that shines thru is blocked by my head... I’m not worried much about an icepick, but I could see someone waiting to see movement and then shooting through the door. I typically put my hand in front of the peephole while standing to the side of the door for a couple of seconds to see what happens. When I lived in NYC many years ago, I recall some “pranksters” ringing someone’s apartment doorbell and putting a lighted M-80 in the peephole (which back then was often simply a hole in the door with a retractable cover). The M-80 went off just as a teenager in the apartment looked through the peephole, destroying one of his eyes. Quoted: I had the apartment maintenance man [B]unlock my door and walk in the apartment[/B]one morning about 1:30AM. ... I damn near shot him. ... Maybe twenty years ago in Maryland, an off duty cop awoke in the middle of the day and found a black male going through his apartment. He shot and killed the man. Turned out it was a maintenance worker simply doing his job. (The rental office should have notified the renter beforehand, but didn’t.) If you’re renting, there’s a lot to be said for installing your own deadbolt or chain to prevent this kind of thing. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:25:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Wtf is some of you guys' problems... if someone knocks on my door at 1am they are going to greeted by me armed, and if it's just some shmuck they're going to get the riot act. If it's a cop I'll help them out and if it's a BG I'll ventilate him. Btw answering your door armed doesn't mean I go kick it open and jump out ninja style with gun drawn. My door has a window at the top that I can look through from many different angles including from my staircase, and it's hard for them to look in.
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:26:20 AM EDT
[#43]
Oh ya and one more thing... I too am afraid of a "peephole ambush". Only I'm afraid of someone putting a bullet through the hole when I peek out (glad I don't have a peephole [:)]). Someone did it in a movie once or twice I think...
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:43:29 AM EDT
[#44]
Quoted: Johninaustin, Bad guys won't knock in the first place, You'd be amazed how easy it is to kick a door in. Actually, a large percentage of home invasions start with a knock on the door, and impersonation of a police officer isn't uncommon at all. I really don't see being armed when answering the door at one in the morning as paranoid. Asking a supposed cop to state his business through a closed, locked door seems entirely appropriate to me as well. Remember all, you can always call the 911 center to confirm the ID of anyone claimang to be a cop. Samples from a short search: You keep answering the door unarmed if you want. Excellent post tt!! In my experience, I've seen at least an equal number of "knock and force entry" cases as "bust down the door" types. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:43:35 AM EDT
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Knock on my door at anytime after midnight, I answer by emptying a 30 rd. clip into the door with my Bushy! Why? Because this isn't a game! This is war, my neighborhood is the battlezone, the front-line! When are you people going to wake up and realize this! Maybe you have not shot anyone in a long time or ever, but we need to start! Only then will this country be a better place to live!
...Sorry, but this is how some of you guys sound to me. If I get a knock on my door, I look to see who it is first. If it's a cop in uniform and I can see the marked car as well. I will gladly open the door to talk to them, and help them in any way I can. I am on the side of law enforcement, for the most part. |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 9:59:03 AM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: Wtf is some of you guys' problems... if someone knocks on my door at 1am they are going to greeted by me armed, and if it's just some shmuck they're going to get the riot act. If it's a cop I'll help them out and if it's a BG I'll ventilate him. Btw answering your door armed doesn't mean I go kick it open and jump out ninja style with gun drawn. My door has a window at the top that I can look through from many different angles including from my staircase, and it's hard for them to look in. I with you 100% Who the fuck knocks on my door at 1AM??? I'm long done with my college days, so it ain't a buddy coming to tell me there's a free keg down the block. If someone knocks on my door at 1AM, no good can come from it. It's either: 1. Wrong address (guy knocking at door is still sketchy for knocking at 1AM), in this case my gun with not be visible to him and he will be told to go away. 2. Family or friend in an emergency, and in this case the last concern on my mind is whether they see my gun or not. 3. Police, in this case they will not see my gun and I will help them with whatever they need, if I'm convince they are indeed cops and not clever home invaiders. or... 4. Someone(s) with the intention of harming me, or at least taking my property from me. Why not be prepared??? |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 10:30:58 AM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: You need to get over the belief that your Kimber is an extension of your penis. [BC comics clam voice][size=4]DU infiltrator!![/size=4][/BC comics clam voice] |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 10:35:25 AM EDT
[#48]
people get shot thru peepholes.
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Posted: 12/12/2003 10:37:05 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: Ever seen "The Professional"? That's how I answer my door. [;D] Ever seen "The Transporter"? That's how I knock on a door. [;D] |
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Posted: 12/12/2003 10:39:10 AM EDT
[#50]
BlackMountainArmory, I cannot believe people are bitching at you for answering the door armed. I have a CCW, so any time you see me there is a good chance I will be armed. So at 0100 I should suddenly hide the gun? Amazing. No doubt the same people would make nasty comments had you been injured/killed ("he should have been armed, why did he even own a gun?").
I carry in areas where I am in far more danger from meteorites than goblins. Not because I am scared, but on principal. How many threads have we seen asking "how many guns are in reach right now?" Many people keep a pistol within grabbing range or a shotgun in the closet, etc. Paranoid? Captain Tactical? I don't think so. Bang on my door during the day and I might be carrying, do so at nite and I will definitely be armed. |
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