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Posted: 11/12/2018 10:35:36 AM EDT
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They went LE only |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 10:37:16 AM EDT
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critical duty or defense and ranger are my new go too. The departments I work with dont even use the HST anymore for some reason federal ammo think LEO and non LEO are not the same....the police state mentality i guess. LEO and non LEO are civilian yet they like to put both in different category |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 10:48:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @1999cutiger Where can we get the reloading data/recipe for 124gr +p and 147gr +p HST? There is a Vihtavouri powder that will allow you to hit 1100-1150 fps, but no idea about accuracy. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 2:33:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can reach 1050 fps with a 147 and Blue Dot and it is a hell of a lot more accurate than the factory stuff. There is a Vihtavouri powder that will allow you to hit 1100-1150 fps, but no idea about accuracy. I ran into the same deal with their N110 max load in .44 Magnum with the 300 gr XTP. I actually ruptured a case 1.5 grains under that load 
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:13:16 PM EDT
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Perhaps Federal figured out how to get some free advertising? 1. Announce HST as too lethal to be sold to mere civilians. 2. Jack up the price. 3. Profit because neckbeards buy all the HST inventory. 4. Release sales to civilians again. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:17:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They only went LE on 50rd boxes. Only 20’s available for peasants.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:19:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vista group caved to SJW pressure after Parkland. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:20:10 PM EDT
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Why do you hate capitalism bro?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like a case for an Anti-Trust breakup. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:21:38 PM EDT
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I predicted that in the mega thread, but I was assured I was wrong. Time will tell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps Federal figured out how to get some free advertising? 1. Announce HST as too lethal to be sold to mere civilians. 2. Jack up the price. 3. Profit because neckbeards buy all the HST inventory. 4. Release sales to civilians again. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:22:10 PM EDT
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I've got a thousand.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:28:16 PM EDT
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You missed the long ass thread about Vista outdoors being a bunch of cunts and not letting dealers sell 50 round boxes to the peons? It's a $ grab 2x. The 1st is to cause a run on 50 round boxes in stock, and the 2nd is to force you to buy the 20rd boxes for way too much $/rd. A good lot of us are boycotting everything Vista sells because of this shit. I'm in the market for a bolt gun and I'm super bummed Savage is a Vista held company.........for example.  https://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/ ETA: Camp Chef, NOOOOOOOOOOO |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:32:10 PM EDT
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This is a lot of stuff to boycott. https://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/ ETA: Camp Chef, NOOOOOOOOOOO Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You missed the long ass thread about Vista outdoors being a bunch of cunts and not letting dealers sell 50 round boxes to the peons? It's a $ grab 2x. The 1st is to cause a run on 50 round boxes in stock, and the 2nd is to force you to buy the 20rd boxes for way too much $/rd. A good lot of us are boycotting everything Vista sells because of this shit. I'm in the market for a bolt gun and I'm super bummed Savage is a Vista held company.........for example. https://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/ ETA: Camp Chef, NOOOOOOOOOOO Edit: Blackhawk is listed too, so no more SERPA holsters. 
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:32:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GTFO. Are you serious? Any reason why? Something else. My online vendor doesnt have 9mm gold dot either in 50 round boxes. 
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:41:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GTFO. Are you serious? Any reason why? Something else. My online vendor doesnt have 9mm gold dot either in 50 round boxes. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 5:46:32 PM EDT
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SGAmmo has Remington Golden Sabers for $19/50. Local LE agency has successfully used them for years.  9mm and .45 ACP Federal HST Ammo: Hot or Just Hype?  Why I Don't Like "Hyper" Ammo |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:04:28 PM EDT
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Everyone should go to Federal's website and leave a comment at the contact us site. Let them know how we plan to vote with out wallets for different ammo.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:05:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GTFO. Are you serious? Any reason why? Something else. My online vendor doesnt have 9mm gold dot either in 50 round boxes. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:05:26 PM EDT
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Everyone should go to Federal's website and leave a comment at the contact us site. Let them know how we plan to vote with out wallets for different ammo. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:14:57 PM EDT
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Eagle eye guns has 124gr, +p, and 147
I just bought 1/4 case of the +p My 2nd order from them |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:16:06 PM EDT
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You've been bitching about your EE score in a few threads now.......about how you want to sell stuff but your score is too low. You have 2 feedback, 1/2 of them are negative. You didn't sell much before.....this is what, the 3rd thread you "would sell but....". |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:16:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't buy shit from someone who says lol like that, much less from someone who says it twice. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:16:56 PM EDT
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No more Hoppes' 9 either. Edit: Blackhawk is listed too, so no more SERPA holsters. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:17:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I guess You can count on shipping first then payment. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:19:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are absolutely correct |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:19:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reason is the 50rd boxes were always LE only. They just finally got around to enforcing it on their distributors. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:26:43 PM EDT
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No more Hoppes' 9 either. Edit: Blackhawk is listed too, so no more SERPA holsters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You missed the long ass thread about Vista outdoors being a bunch of cunts and not letting dealers sell 50 round boxes to the peons? It's a $ grab 2x. The 1st is to cause a run on 50 round boxes in stock, and the 2nd is to force you to buy the 20rd boxes for way too much $/rd. A good lot of us are boycotting everything Vista sells because of this shit. I'm in the market for a bolt gun and I'm super bummed Savage is a Vista held company.........for example. https://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/ ETA: Camp Chef, NOOOOOOOOOOO Edit: Blackhawk is listed too, so no more SERPA holsters. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:28:39 PM EDT
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How do you people shoot this much defensive hp ammo?
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:33:03 PM EDT
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I answered the op's question on this very page but y'all too busy arguing to actually break away and buy some
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:35:39 PM EDT
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I answered the op's question on this very page but y'all too busy arguing to actually break away and buy some |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:37:13 PM EDT
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In my ammo box locked away in the ammo Job box.
Many boxes. Bought sometime back. 
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:41:49 PM EDT
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Everyone should go to Federal's website and leave a comment at the contact us site. Let them know how we plan to vote with out wallets for different ammo. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:46:56 PM EDT
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My buddy is LE and my neighbor is LE. I can get all 50 rnd boxes I want.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:51:03 PM EDT
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500 rds of P9HST2 showed up on my doorstep today.
Not the greatest price at ~$270, but I was lazy and didn't buy from sg when the getting was good. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:51:36 PM EDT
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Just switch to 9mm ball, problem solved
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Posted: 11/12/2018 6:52:40 PM EDT
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Which is laughable because LEO's aren't buying their own ammo, the departments are buying it, and usually in bulk. The chief of police isn't perusing the interwebs looking to save 40/round and $4 on shipping Fifty round boxes are easier for agencies to manage ammo distribution to patrol officers |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 7:00:06 PM EDT
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What were they seriously trying to achieve with this move? We can still buy this super Dee duper LEO only ammo in 20 rd boxes
. So they dont want civilians to have these...but we can still buy them? What the hell is that. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 7:03:46 PM EDT
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Ive only ever been able to get the 20 rd boxes here in communism. I hope Federal gets their shit together for you guys tho. Ill be in a free state soon and hoping they realize what a stupid decision this was by then
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Posted: 11/12/2018 7:05:37 PM EDT
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What were they seriously trying to achieve with this move? We can still buy this super Dee duper LEO only ammo in 20 rd boxes . So they dont want civilians to have these...but we can still buy them? What the hell is that. The LEO boxes come out to, what, 40 cpr, but the civilian boxes are >$1 per round. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 7:06:47 PM EDT
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How do you people shoot this much defensive hp ammo? 
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Posted: 11/12/2018 7:09:16 PM EDT
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You think that is it? I think that they're just enforcing a preexisting policy Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Vista group caved to SJW pressure after Parkland. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 7:12:26 PM EDT
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I just went and counted, I only have 350 rounds of it.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 7:15:05 PM EDT
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I just went and counted, I only have 350 rounds of it.
(Maybe 100 total between HST's and Hydra-Shok) I be slackin'. Been mostly stocking up on range ammo tho. Don't need a whole shit ton of HD/SD ammo |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 7:20:44 PM EDT
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I predicted that in the mega thread, but I was assured I was wrong. Time will tell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Perhaps Federal figured out how to get some free advertising? 1. Announce HST as too lethal to be sold to mere civilians. 2. Jack up the price. 3. Profit because neckbeards buy all the HST inventory. 4. Release sales to civilians again. |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 8:20:00 PM EDT
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I have a wife and two girls and we all shoot G19 or G43. We practice. A lot. Most practice is with cheaper alternatives, but practice like you play they say, so we shoot a lot of Gold Dot. Glad I bought that 5K when it was cheap! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How do you people shoot this much defensive hp ammo? |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 8:24:13 PM EDT
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The 124 Nato recoils the same as the defensive loads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How do you people shoot this much defensive hp ammo? Not a huge fan of Winchester ammo by any stretch, but I get it much cheaper than any other NATO spec ammo |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 8:34:34 PM EDT
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I just went and counted, I only have 350 rounds of it. When you have a G17, a couple G19's, and a G45, as well as three extra 17-round mags, loaded at all time, it adds up to a lot of defensive ammo. (119 rounds, to be precise) |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 8:48:45 PM EDT
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A certain beloved arfcom vendor in the industry told me today that they've cut way back on production. Derive from that what you will but to me, sounds like artificial price inflation.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 9:30:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/12/2018 9:43:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2018 12:38:05 AM EDT
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If anyone is looking for 50-round boxes of Speer 124gr and 124gr +P 9mm GDHP's for less than $25 per box, send me an IM. Fair warning, the vendor has flat rate shipping of $15 per 50 pounds. If you're not ordering 4-5 boxes at a minimum, the shipping can be a bit of a tough nut to swallow. I recently ordered 4 boxes, for a grand total of $110.96, or $0.5548/round.
If you want the info, I just ask that you don't post it publicly. Send it via IM all you want, but try to keep it on the down low, lest Vista find out the vendor is selling to non-LE and cracks down on them like they did BFGC and others. Keep it discrete and keep the supply line open to the unwashed masses, please. The only HST the vendor has is in 20-round boxes. They do have some .357 Sig Hydra-Shoks in 50-round boxes, though. |
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