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Posted: 11/17/2003 5:58:12 AM EDT
[#1]
Take the blue pill and pretend it never happened.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 5:58:21 AM EDT
[#2]
tell them to eat your ass with a spoon.
Seriously, I'd ignore it. edited to add: get the lawyer...if you have to give $3500, give it to the lawyer rather than those turd burglars. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 5:58:26 AM EDT
[#3]
Shouldn't have stolen their property in the first place.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 5:59:11 AM EDT
[#4]
Who says I did?
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:02:39 AM EDT
[#5]
Well, it certainly wasn't any of us starting this thread, feeling all guilty about something. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:03:08 AM EDT
[#6]
(Cost of this legal action) - (Value of stolen DTV services) = Amount of "Oh shit!" factor |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:05:07 AM EDT
[#7]
So, you're saying you bought the device but never used it?
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:06:07 AM EDT
[#8]
Well I belive those are legal aslong as you never acessed programming you were not paying for. I say hell with them, I worked for hughes, get irate they bend over for you then. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:07:59 AM EDT
[#9]
He had the means to do it, but it doesnt necessarily mean he did use it for free TV...
If they cant't proved you used it, the best they have is intent, right? Its like the feds busting me for having an AK74 kit and intending to make an assault rifle. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:08:32 AM EDT
[#10]
The device is not illegal. Using it to pull the signal is. If they can't prove you used it, they have no case. Get a lawyer though. But thats how it was explained to me by a friend who works for the local cable company about the black boxes and cards for digital boxes. owning them is not a problem, using it is. And they have to prove use. Toss the fucker away and there is no way they can prove that it was used.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:12:43 AM EDT
[#11]
Exactly what I thought when I read the first post in the thread. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:13:30 AM EDT
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Hmmmmm... I was thinking that as well but ya know.. after all the lawyer fees, time, effort and worry factors it would be simpler to settle with them although it does not seem right in principal.
I also heard that if you decide to settle they'll want the unit back "if you still have it" |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:13:43 AM EDT
[#13]
Obtaining television services in that manner may seem like a "Robin Hood" type of thing, but in the end, it is stealing.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:16:02 AM EDT
[#14]
Fuck that. Settling = admission of guilt. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:16:28 AM EDT
[#15]
Moving beyond this person's specific incident ... it's OK to do wrong as long as you don't get caught? I try to treat others, including "nameless" businesses providing a service, as I would like to be treated.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:16:59 AM EDT
[#16]
IF it was between giving a lawyer or DTV the 3500 I'd choose the lawyer.
The thing is though I'd rather give DTV $3500 than a lawyer $5000 That is my quandary. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:17:21 AM EDT
[#17]
So if it's not illegal and you never admit that you used the device to steal DirectTV how are they going to prove you owe them any money?
If you're that worried about it pay a local attorney who knows your state laws a $ 100, or whatever, for an hour consultation have him tell you what the deal is. Bad luck? Er, you bought a cable stealing device under your own name and you're surprised the manufacturer got in trouble and the cops got your name from them? There wasn't much "luck" involved. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:21:27 AM EDT
[#18]
Those were sold on hundreds of website, I claim bad luck being that the website I chose wound up being busted... If I would have chose another site, I would have been ok.
I certainly take personal responsibility for everything I do but I dont simply roll over to anyone that brings a case against me or accuses me of anything without any proof at all. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:22:23 AM EDT
[#19]
Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:24:34 AM EDT
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How much was the original cost of the doodad? A couple of hundred bucks?
Can someone enlighten me as to why you would spend good money on a device which is only used to steal pay TV services unless you were going to use it to steal pay TV services? |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:25:09 AM EDT
[#21]
gilfrd, Having not paid for premium cable/pay-per-view myself since 1990 - I would say: Fuck 'em. If they could prove that you were receiving their signal "illegally", you can bet sure as fuck that you wouldn’t be getting some letter in the mail brother – you’d be gettin’ a knock at the door! They’ve got your name on a list – that’s all. Someone is trying to fleece you – and giving them $3500 is simply an admission of guilt if you ask me. I’d LOVE for Time-Warner Cable to try this shit with me – it’d be the biggest mistake they’d ever make. I’d make Waco look like a goddamn camp-fire girls outing. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:28:27 AM EDT
[#22]
Dolomite, that's taking the high road. I bet you'd scream bloody murder if anyone stole from you. The point is that we're talking about someone else's property.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:28:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:28:56 AM EDT
[#24]
Yeah... but weren't all those great shows worth it ?
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:30:25 AM EDT
[#25]
Not that I know of these devices, but I wouldnt settle. Unless they confiscated the unit and checked your computer for DTV bins, how are they going to know for sure that was it's intended use. There are other applications for unloopers and loaders. All you bought were parts. It's up to you to decide how to use it. And if they cant prove it, fook em.
Ahhh, I miss the old days...Football cards and emulation...... These new cards are a bitch. So I hear. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:34:49 AM EDT
[#26]
Bud, If someone’s going to charge me upwards of $65 a month just so I get to watch commercial after commercial (albeit – with an amazingly crisp and clear signal) – I can say with a 100% clear conscience – THAT is being ripped off! |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:34:49 AM EDT
[#27]
Um, the unit in question was not manufactured by them in the first place, right? Then in that case it isn't theirs' to "have back" at all. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:35:10 AM EDT
[#28]
80 bucks It is also used for security control.. Microsoft has a website touting it's benefits. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:38:38 AM EDT
[#29]
You are a funny guy!! 
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:41:44 AM EDT
[#30]
Ah, a clear TV signal is one of our basic, God-given rights under the Constitution. Never realized that! |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:42:19 AM EDT
[#31]
If you think they charge too much don't do business with them. That's your choice. Fight the government-established monopolies that created this cable structure in the first place. But DON'T STEAL. Once you've crossed the line (screw property rights!) where does it stop? From then on it's only a matter of degree. Is it then OK to break into a store and steal things you think are priced too high? It's wrong.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:42:50 AM EDT
[#32]
There was a "sting" around here by the cable company of people they found out had descramblers. However they sent out private dectectives to the homes of the people who bought them to get statements out of them that they actually used them. Only one guy refused to give a statement and refused to pay. I think they tried to either have him arrested (theft of services) or sued him but he got off the hook. The moral being if you are a theif you have to learn to keep your mouth shut. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:45:04 AM EDT
[#33]
I like a different moral - don't be a thief.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:46:44 AM EDT
[#34]
I am surprised at the number of people on this thread who are acting as if Direct TV is the bad guy for going after those who *STEAL* their services. Feel how you may about the cable/satellite co., it is *THEFT* to do other than pay for it, and I do not understand the indignance being displayed regarding this. Not on a moral crusade here, just pointing out the painfully obvious.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:49:59 AM EDT
[#35]
Just for fun, let's not assume anything.
NOW what do we have? 1. I bought a piece of hardware 2. I'm being sued by a corporation without evidence. Sounds slightly nazi to me. It is wrong for DTV to sue thousands upon thousands of people for MAYBE doing something wrong. It causes people like me to spend untold hundreds of dollars for our defense. Without proof, I cant see how they got this far with it. Ever heard of "Innocent until proven guilty"? |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:50:38 AM EDT
[#36]
if asked, tell them you only had the device to figure out how it works.
you wanted to build a device the blocks the "unlooper" or whatever. you only wanted to help people like DTV, and you never used it. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:53:03 AM EDT
[#37]
I thought you told me it never arrived in the mail.....or it was broken when it finally di arrive?
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:54:04 AM EDT
[#38]
...or came with absoultely no instructions
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:55:00 AM EDT
[#39]
My advise is to obtain counsel from an attorney who is familiar with this type of case.
Several years ago I defended a friend who received a similar letter from the cable company. I researched the Federal statutes and found that possessing a cable box is not improper. Using it is. At least with the cable, the plaintiff has the burden of proof in showing that you illegally obtained the cable signal. My clients wanted to settle. I rejected the Cable Co. settlement agreement and sent my own. That was three (3) years ago. Never heard from them again. You should seek your own legal advise Good luck, Mike |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:56:27 AM EDT
[#40]
If Direct TV does not want their programming intercepted, then they should not broadcast it over public airways. If you physically connect to a cable TV coax that is wrong. Having the ability to receive a broadcast signal is their tough luck! Screw them! Planerench out.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:56:45 AM EDT
[#41]
If you **really** bought the device for kicks and never used it for anything illegal/immoral, fight like hell. If you did wrong, make it right.
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:57:17 AM EDT
[#42]
Sure have, but which are you? Have you ever received the signal illegally?? yes/no?? SGtar15 |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:57:50 AM EDT
[#43]
Yes, in fact I have heard of this thing. *Travelling with large amounts of cash will see that cash seized, with you having the onus of proof that your money was legal, not illegal. *If a drug guy is caught with over "x" amount of drugs of a certain kind, it is intent to distribute, whether they were gonna distribute or not. *Landlords are liable for the actions of their tenants, with or without foreknowledge in many cases. *Posession of F/A trigger group is legal. Posession of F/A trigger group, and an AR15 is a machinegun. *Go astray of the IRS, then tell me about innocent until proven guilty. I agree with NONE of the examples above, just pointing oput that "IUPG" is a long, LONG gone concept, in my opinion. Plus, you never expressly told us you did *not* use the device, you are simply expressing angst at having been singled out, and wondering what they can "prove". Wanna sleep easy again? Be a little more cogent of the environment in which we are now currently operating in. * |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 6:59:18 AM EDT
[#44]
http://www.legal-rights.org/DTV/unlooper.html
w00t! it's perfectly legal! |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:01:40 AM EDT
[#45]
Final rant ... I can't believe the number of people here who think it's OK to do something just because you can, and screw right or wrong. I hope that's not the message you're giving your children. And we bitch about government?
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:02:00 AM EDT
[#46]
You better watch whom the fuck you’re calling a thief there bud! Just because I claim to not have paid for something doesn’t mean I’ve stolen it!
You got proof? Come rolling – otherwise, all of yous can point your holier-than-thou stink fingers somewheres else!  "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ... Create a nation of law-breakers, and then you cash in on the guilt." -Ayn Rand "Atlas Shrugged", Chapter III, "White Blackmail" |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:03:40 AM EDT
[#47]
So, John, how's it "feel", to be a voice in the wilderness???? 
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:05:01 AM EDT
[#48]
I decline to answer that question due to my legal right against self incrimination, I plead the 5th!! |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:05:31 AM EDT
[#49]
Rationalization is a powerful thing. |
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Posted: 11/17/2003 7:08:33 AM EDT
[#50]
That being said I actually have a similar device and never used it-honest to God. I did something for a guy, or had traded him something, I don't exactly remember. Well anyway rather than pay me (I think he was short on $) he traded me a rifle, but it wasn't worth enough so he gave me one of these things. I did take it home, but I don't (didn't) have cable since I don't watch TV and wasn't about to order basic cable and steal the rest after I thought about it, so I threw it in a box. It's still somewhere laying around in a box with crappy holsters. |
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