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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:26:33 PM EDT
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Arson is a serious crime.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:26:49 PM EDT
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so basically he carries the same loadout as GD does for EDC when they leave the basement
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:27:20 PM EDT
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Well the do arrest arsonists and do investigate bad people. I’m sure those people aren’t violent
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:29:10 PM EDT
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Arson is a serious crime. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:30:39 PM EDT
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Peace officer
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:31:11 PM EDT
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Peace officer |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:31:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:32:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:33:37 PM EDT
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Many are actually cops. Here in GA most are POST certified. Beat cops don't know shit about investigating fires.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:34:35 PM EDT
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The fire marshal here killed a guy a couple years ago for brandishing a weapon while they were putting out a fire next door. I've never seen his loadout though. He doesn't strike me as an oper8tor, but he's got a big mouth. I keep saying they are gonna find him in a ditch one day for running his pie hole to the wrong person.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:35:55 PM EDT
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Our arson investigator is REQUIRED to carry and dress similar. He doesn't do pepper spray. His baton stays in his car. But he is considered a law enforcement officer for our city and has to meet certain requirements when on duty.
Just sayin.... you guy might be a whoop whoop or he might just be following city SOP's. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:36:23 PM EDT
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When i was still in DFW, i saw two at the police supply store.[GT Dist.]
They just had a Glock and a badge on their belts. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:38:15 PM EDT
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They generally work without a net on their investigations. And they get into some really interesting messes. Lots of people who burn their houses or whatever do it to cover a more serious crime. Or they're so desperate that they'll burn their own home for money. I know a few Fire Marshalls who do in fact wear a full duty belt and an external vest. They also will carry an IFAK because they stand a pretty good chance of getting hurt while they sift through a fire scene. They also carry their turnout gear in the back of their car.
Don't let your feelings get too hurt by how the guy looks. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:39:46 PM EDT
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The couple of arson investigators I’ve dealt with were carrying Sig 226’s.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:41:20 PM EDT
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Many are actually cops. Here in GA most are POST certified. Beat cops don't know shit about investigating fires. So....the Fire Marshall finds reason to believe that an arson was committed. They investigate. They decide who the perpetrator is. They get a DA to issue an arrest warrant....served by.....the local police, whose job, day in and day out is to arrest people that need it. Now, do they need to be armed during the investigation phase etc....I can actually see that, sure, many arsonists are probably not nice people....but, are the Fire Marshals door kickers getting into daily firefights with carloads of Sinaloa Cartel Members.?...No, I can't see that. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:42:59 PM EDT
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When i was still in DFW, i saw two at the police supply store.[GT Dist.] They just had a Glock and a badge on their belts. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:43:07 PM EDT
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I bought my EDC from a arson investigator.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:45:22 PM EDT
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Two words. Meth house
This sums up just one of the reasons for fire marshals to be armed and have L/E certification. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:48:14 PM EDT
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OP is making fun of someone for carrying, due to their employment.
Why do you hate freedom OP? 
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:48:51 PM EDT
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so basically he carries the same loadout as GD does for EDC when they leave the basement 
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:50:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two words. Meth house This sums up just one of the reasons for fire marshals to be armed and have L/E certification.
Everyone is the point of the spear! Operating, operationally in all dimensions of time and space... |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:52:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I noticed all the Fish Cops here in Texas now have LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER emblazoned across the backs of their pickups now too...
Everyone is the point of the spear! Operating, operationally in all dimensions of time and space... |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:54:04 PM EDT
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what do cops and firemen have in common?
...both of them wanted to be cops.   
ETA: Seriously, our Arson Investigators are sworn, commissioned officers and have to be CLEET certified Peace Officers, just like cops. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:54:23 PM EDT
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I have a friend who did that job for a while, he arrested a lady who set her sister on fire. That sounds about like what they were required to wear at a minimum. Here in Texas they are LEO.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 2:56:31 PM EDT
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What'stthe difference between god and a fire marshal?
God doesn't think he's a fire marshal. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:00:03 PM EDT
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OP is making fun of someone for carrying, due to their employment. Why do you hate freedom OP? Here in Texas, every year, a report is prepared by the State Fire Marshals Office whenever there is the death of a Fireman or Fire Marshal that could be duty related. I checked every report from 2016 to 2006. Not a single death due to "Criminal Assault etc"....most were related to cardiac events during call outs or training. Statistics Here |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:01:16 PM EDT
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are the Fire Marshals door kickers getting into daily firefights with carloads of Sinaloa Cartel Members.?...No, I can't see that. It's so much easier for the Fire Investigator to handle the whole case instead of trying to convince a beat cop to make an arrest for you. Who fucking cares what if they are armed in whatever way? 'Merica. Fuck yeah! |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two words. Meth house This sums up just one of the reasons for fire marshals to be armed and have L/E certification. Friend of a friend's dad was an arson investigator for the local FD. Lots of tweekers and tweeker related activities were dealt with. Also organized crime and arson go hand in hand. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:09:15 PM EDT
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it's the same here.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:18:12 PM EDT
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What did he do to you that got your panties all wadded up? Seems like he subscribes to the 2 is one, one is none theory.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:18:32 PM EDT
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Oh, I don't expect beat cops to know a hell of a lot about fires....but they DO know a HELL OF A LOT ABOUT ARRESTING PEOPLE.....FOR MANY DIFFERENT CRIMES. I'm guessing 99.999999% of Arson related arrests happen remotely from the scene of the crime...hours, days, weeks, months after the fire.... So....the Fire Marshall finds reason to believe that an arson was committed. They investigate. They decide who the perpetrator is. They get a DA to issue an arrest warrant....served by.....the local police, whose job, day in and day out is to arrest people that need it. Now, do they need to be armed during the investigation phase etc....I can actually see that, sure, many arsonists are probably not nice people....but, are the Fire Marshals door kickers getting into daily firefights with carloads of Sinaloa Cartel Members.?...No, I can't see that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Many are actually cops. Here in GA most are POST certified. Beat cops don't know shit about investigating fires. So....the Fire Marshall finds reason to believe that an arson was committed. They investigate. They decide who the perpetrator is. They get a DA to issue an arrest warrant....served by.....the local police, whose job, day in and day out is to arrest people that need it. Now, do they need to be armed during the investigation phase etc....I can actually see that, sure, many arsonists are probably not nice people....but, are the Fire Marshals door kickers getting into daily firefights with carloads of Sinaloa Cartel Members.?...No, I can't see that. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:20:04 PM EDT
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OP sounds like a jackass. Probably hates cops for pulling him over when he does something illegal too.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:23:11 PM EDT
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What did he do to you that got your panties all wadded up? Seems like he subscribes to the 2 is one, one is none theory. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:25:01 PM EDT
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OP sounds like a jackass. Probably hates cops for pulling him over when he does something illegal too. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:26:08 PM EDT
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Our Arson Investigators are also the bomb squad
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:29:00 PM EDT
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A local fire marshall was murdered investigating a building in Baltimore.
Ours have arrest powers iirc. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:29:48 PM EDT
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state fire marshalls here are Michigan State Police, used to know one and he was all suited up just like a regular trooper
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:31:54 PM EDT
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Our fire investigators are POST certified, sworn, and carry a firearm.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:34:54 PM EDT
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The couple of arson investigators I’ve dealt with were carrying Sig 226’s. I bought a P228 from my favorite gun store that was owned by a Fire Marshal. It was cheap because he...........DROPPED IT!. 
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:35:26 PM EDT
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You DO realize that fire marshal's and arson investigators are typically fully-sworn law enforcement officers? Not everybody is happy to have government agents showing up on their doorstep investigating criminal matters... Heck, one of the guys I went to high school with is a Federal agent in the Social Security Administration...
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:36:00 PM EDT
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Whatever you call him...don't call him a civilian.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:36:50 PM EDT
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The county I grew up in had a fire marshal worked as LE and was On the SERT team. So yea that would make sense.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:44:15 PM EDT
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Whatever you call him...don't call him a civilian. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:46:21 PM EDT
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Our arson investigator is REQUIRED to carry and dress similar. He doesn't do pepper spray. His baton stays in his car. But he is considered a law enforcement officer for our city and has to meet certain requirements when on duty. Just sayin.... you guy might be a whoop whoop or he might just be following city SOP's. He's pretty sharp and has quickly moved up the food chain and became a fire marshall which is an LEO position...had to go through our academy. The PD was impressed enough with him to get the fire department to let him continue to be on call for paramedic duties on SWAT callouts, but now he trains with SWAT with weapons also. Our SWAT guys trust him with their lives and have full confidence in him. I'm sure it varies from location to location, but I'm sure not all cops, fire marshalls, and even AR15 owners are created equal.
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:47:32 PM EDT
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Out two are Detectives who came over from PD then went to investigator school/1001/2. They spend most of their time in the rich and vibrant section of town. They both carry f/s sigs, reloads, cuffs, flashlights, and wear light armor (LVII I think) when they go out to question people or come to a scene after dark.
I saw one of them run a guy down on foot after a "brief attempt to flee on foot". That was a colorful day in court. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:50:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm making fun of someone for thinking their employment is something it isn't. What do the statistics tell us? Here in Texas, every year, a report is prepared by the State Fire Marshals Office whenever there is the death of a Fireman or Fire Marshal that could be duty related. I checked every report from 2016 to 2006. Not a single death due to "Criminal Assault etc"....most were related to cardiac events during call outs or training. Statistics Here Or do you only carry a 5 shot revolver, because “that’s all you need in a mugging”? Maybe you should MYOB, the marshall can determine for himself what he wants to carry and how he wants to carry it. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I noticed all the Fish Cops here in Texas now have LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER emblazoned across the backs of their pickups now too...
Everyonee is the point of the spear! Operating, operationally in all dimensions of time and space... You probably would would complain that Security of State cops are playing operator, you know the ones that are at DMV and car dealer ships, or pulling DL from people revoked or suspended. They too carry same authority as a "local cop" |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:57:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, I don't expect beat cops to know a hell of a lot about fires....but they DO know a HELL OF A LOT ABOUT ARRESTING PEOPLE.....FOR MANY DIFFERENT CRIMES. I'm guessing 99.999999% of Arson related arrests happen remotely from the scene of the crime...hours, days, weeks, months after the fire.... So....the Fire Marshall finds reason to believe that an arson was committed. They investigate. They decide who the perpetrator is. They get a DA to issue an arrest warrant....served by.....the local police, whose job, day in and day out is to arrest people that need it. Now, do they need to be armed during the investigation phase etc....I can actually see that, sure, many arsonists are probably not nice people....but, are the Fire Marshals door kickers getting into daily firefights with carloads of Sinaloa Cartel Members.?...No, I can't see that. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 3:58:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I noticed all the Fish Cops here in Texas now have LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER emblazoned across the backs of their pickups now too...
Everyone is the point of the spear! Operating, operationally in all dimensions of time and space... most of the folks the fish cops encounter are armed. Some folks dislike getting citations and the like. Many fish cops have been killed or shot over the years. |
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Posted: 2/20/2018 4:03:44 PM EDT
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OP is pretty fucking ignorant when it comes to arson investigators.
I spent 12yrs as a firefighter and 21+ as an LEO. All the arson investigators I worked and trained with were certified as LEO's. They ran investigations, conducted stakeouts, participated in raids and made arrests. The scope of their duty has changed significantly over the years. BTW: DTO's like the Sinaloa Cartel OP mentioned, have been involved in arson amongst other criminal activities. The same with Hells Angel's ect. I guess the OP doesn't think an arson investigator has to be armed when investigating those kind of groups. |
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