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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:24:47 PM EDT
This is perhaps the most well-known pic of WWII, arguably, and has been circulated a gazillion times not just on the eastern side of the iron curtain but world-wide.
A soviet solder with a red flag over Reichstag, the symbol of victory. But nobody notices something peculiar about it. Can you find it? 
While you are looking it, here is a more recent photo. Ex-president / vice-president (and now maybe future president, again) Medvedev tests his iPhone skills. There is another gem in that photo. 
. . . . . . . . Here is the first one zoomed in. It was common for the liberators to pillage the western European countries and this one is no exception. Watches were a common item. Comrade Zhukov sent an entire train full of pillaged stuff to the east. Interestingly, later Stalin used that as leverage to keep Zhukov in fear of an imminent arrest. 
The second one should be self-explanatory. Billionaires among poverty. In the background, a destitute pensioner digs in the trash for something. Not an uncommon sight given the average pension is something like $80-100 / month. Barely enough to keep the lights on. As a footnote, Putin is the wealthiest man in the world, off-paper. He is too smart to keep income on paper like Gates, etc. and pay taxes on it. He owns a significant share in all the gas/oil/etc companies and through middlemen so it cannot be traced to him. Nobody really knows how much stock he has, it wouldn't be possible to determine. In that county, you don't want to declare your wealth because the next guy on the throne may take it all. 
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:27:10 PM EDT
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Both true. Now replace the pic with a GI with two watches, and a US official with a hobo lurking in the background.
What changes? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:28:52 PM EDT
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P.S.
That flag pic BTW was a re-enactment, the first time they put the flag up there, it wasn't documented. So the pic is actually not the first time nor is the guy who is putting up the flag the first one. But it looks credible enough for the unwashed masses. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:32:38 PM EDT
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How exactly do you know what a blurry person in front of a dumpsters status in life is?
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:33:05 PM EDT
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P.S. That flag pic BTW was a re-enactment, the first time they put the flag up there, it wasn't documented. So the pic is actually not the first time nor is the guy who is putting up the flag the first one. But it looks credible enough for the unwashed masses. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:33:28 PM EDT
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I thought he had 2 watches and the others did not...oh well...
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:36:25 PM EDT
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How exactly do you know what a blurry person in front of a dumpsters status in life is? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:37:40 PM EDT
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Ooooookay.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:39:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
P.S. That flag pic BTW was a re-enactment, the first time they put the flag up there, it wasn't documented. So the pic is actually not the first time nor is the guy who is putting up the flag the first one. But it looks credible enough for the unwashed masses. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:41:32 PM EDT
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I thought he had 2 watches and the others did not...oh well... The pre WWII Soviet Union had no watchmaking industry. After the war, stalin created one largely due to the fact that rank and file russians were exposed to how cheap and plentiful they were for average US, Allied and German Soldiers. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:43:46 PM EDT
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I thought this as well. Several photos taken and Red Army soldiers had 5+ watches on. The pre WWII Soviet Union had no watchmaking industry. After the war, stalin created one largely due to the fact that rank and file russians were exposed to how cheap and plentiful they were for average US, Allied and German Soldiers. It was all about tanks, airplanes, trucks and steel and stuff. And exporting grain of course. So stealing 2+ watches was the norm. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:45:42 PM EDT
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Anyone who has played Call of Duty World at War single player, has planted that flag 100s of times..
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:46:41 PM EDT
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I'm usually the first to call out BS assumptions about Russia, but that one is reasonable. A lot of pensioners are poor in Russia due to the way the Soviet pension funds were wiped out by inflation. We can't KNOW the story of the blurry person, but the assumption is probably correct. Everyone there knows that pensioners live a destitute life on fixed income of about $100, if that. To the point where they cannot afford to turn on the lights, and seat in the dark. That in conjunction with the fact that cities like Moscow are the most expensive in the world. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:47:31 PM EDT
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How exactly do you know what a blurry person in front of a dumpsters status in life is? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:47:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
P.S. That flag pic BTW was a re-enactment, the first time they put the flag up there, it wasn't documented. So the pic is actually not the first time nor is the guy who is putting up the flag the first one. But it looks credible enough for the unwashed masses. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:49:05 PM EDT
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Ooooookay. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:52:47 PM EDT
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Is the train in the first picture off the tracks?
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:53:37 PM EDT
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exactly how does anybody know if its not the maintenance guy at that building tossing something into the dumpster? Russia certainly has some people that go dumpster-diving (just like America), so even if the journalist if lying in that particular case, given enough time he could find a pic of Russian politician with a poor person in the background. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 5:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
P.S. That flag pic BTW was a re-enactment, the first time they put the flag up there, it wasn't documented. So the pic is actually not the first time nor is the guy who is putting up the flag the first one. But it looks credible enough for the unwashed masses. Fake news has been around for a while... |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:01:33 PM EDT
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We gave the fucking reds too much help in WW2.
We should have held back a little, let the USSR and the Nazis bleed each other further. Too bad FDR was a Marxism enthusiast. 
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:02:54 PM EDT
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I bet you Putin plays the lotto
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:04:09 PM EDT
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Is the train in the first picture off the tracks? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:04:40 PM EDT
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This is perhaps the most well-known pic of WWII, arguably, and has been circulated a gazillion times not just on the eastern side of the iron curtain but world-wide. A soviet solder with a red flag over Reichstag, the symbol of victory. But nobody notices something peculiar about it. Can you find it? http://i.imgur.com/bGom6LR.jpg While you are looking it, here is a more recent photo. Ex-president / vice-president (and now maybe future president, again) Medvedev tests his iPhone skills. There is another gem in that photo. http://i.imgur.com/u6w25mu.jpg . . . . . . . . Here is the first one zoomed in. It was common for the liberators to pillage the western European countries and this one is no exception. Watches were a common item. Comrade Zhukov sent an entire train full of pillaged stuff to the east. Interestingly, later Stalin used that as leverage to keep Zhukov in fear of an imminent arrest. http://i.imgur.com/m1oWFZw.jpg The second one should be self-explanatory. Billionaires among poverty. In the background, a destitute pensioner digs in the trash for something. Not an uncommon sight given the average pension is something like $80-100 / month. Barely enough to keep the lights on. As a footnote, Putin is the wealthiest man in the world, off-paper. He is too smart to keep income on paper like Gates, etc. and pay taxes on it. He owns a significant share in all the gas/oil/etc companies and through middlemen so it cannot be traced to him. Nobody really knows how much stock he has, it wouldn't be possible to determine. In that county, you don't want to declare your wealth because the next guy on the throne may take it all. http://i.imgur.com/3NWUDD1.jpg Why go back to WWII? When the breadline photos of the Cold War were just as bad but the leftist media downplayed them. Ed |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:04:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Kinda like the Iwo Jima picture?
Fake news has been around for a while... |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:07:53 PM EDT
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The pic has been portrayed in movies as well, this is a Tom Hardy movie Child 44 opening scene.
They make a stink about the guy having all the watches on. https://youtu.be/hCN8UAdH55A |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:09:31 PM EDT
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We gave the fucking reds too much help in WW2. We should have held back a little, let the USSR and the Nazis bleed each other further. Too bad FDR was a Marxism enthusiast. Also, the attempts to pit USSR against Nazis were what created WWII in the first place. Stalin has been trying to form an anti-Hitler alliance for all the way till summer 1939, but nobody would join him. Not that history would necessarily be less bloody if European powers+USSR ganged up on Germany earlier, I'd guess they'd still have a WWII, just with a different set of players. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:10:34 PM EDT
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It's unfortunate that I have to support the OP's argument (even though I think his overall idea is bad and these pictures could have been easily taken in America or of GIs in WWII), but it doesn't really matter whether that blurry person behind Medvedev is really digging thru garbage or not. Russia certainly has some people that go dumpster-diving (just like America), so even if the journalist if lying in that particular case, given enough time he could find a pic of Russian politician with a poor person in the background. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:10:42 PM EDT
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Well that was done at the raising of the american flag on a famous mount? While we are all criptic wanna guess what that was lol. The second flag-raising at Iwo Jima was not a PR stunt. It was done because the first flag was only a 2'x3' and the new one was much larger. The photographer who took the still photo, Joel Rosenthal, went up and the Marine Combat Cameraman, TSSG Bill Genaust, went as well. Genaust took several feet of 8mm film of the event and Rosenthal almost missed the picture and even thought he had missed it since he looked away just before they raised the flag and snapped a picture without looking at the viewfinder. He took a second picture where all the men at the top of the hill are obviously posed in a group, standing in lines. Weeks later when he got back to the ship where the photograhpers and journalists staged from someone asked him if the picture of the flag-raising was staged. He didn't know that the first photo he took was even usable, much less had received so much acclaim so responded that of course it was staged . . . Marines don't line up spontaneously like that, even in the middle of a battle. The very famous photo of the flag-raising on Iwo Jima was NOT staged, it was spontaneous. The film footage from the Marine CC shows that clearly. TSSG Bill Genaust did not live to see the end of the battle for Iwo Jima and so never got any recognition for his film footage while the Marine Corps almost never admits that a Marine CC was there. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:11:10 PM EDT
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We gave the fucking reds too much help in WW2. We should have held back a little, let the USSR and the Nazis bleed each other further. Too bad FDR was a Marxism enthusiast. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:14:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:That's the same train of thought that says false flag racism and rape are ok because it makes people aware and start a dialogue. I'm just saying that unlike a lot of Western media coverage of Russia that implies ridiculous fuckin things that are not true or at least not common, that picture COULD have easily happened spontaneously. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:14:41 PM EDT
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Reds were winning without the second front. But we gave them just a bit too much aid, and they were able to counterattack too soon with too much of a military remaining. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:14:47 PM EDT
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On Iwo Jima the first flag-raising had a picture taken, with a Marine in the foreground looking past the photographer. Just after the picture was snapped they all had to hit the deck as some Jap tossed a grenade at them and it landed close. The second flag-raising at Iwo Jima was not a PR stunt. It was done because the first flag was only a 2'x3' and the new one was much larger. The photographer who took the still photo, Joel Rosenthal, went up and the Marine Combat Cameraman, TSSG Bill Genaust, went as well. Genaust took several feet of 8mm film of the event and Rosenthal almost missed the picture and even thought he had missed it since he looked away just before they raised the flag and snapped a picture without looking at the viewfinder. He took a second picture where all the men at the top of the hill are obviously posed in a group, standing in lines. Weeks later when he got back to the ship where the photograhpers and journalists staged from someone asked him if the picture of the flag-raising was staged. He didn't know that the first photo he took was even usable, much less had received so much acclaim so responded that of course it was staged . . . Marines don't line up spontaneously like that, even in the middle of a battle. The very famous photo of the flag-raising on Iwo Jima was NOT staged, it was spontaneous. The film footage from the Marine CC shows that clearly. TSSG Bill Genaust did not live to see the end of the battle for Iwo Jima and so never got any recognition for his film footage while the Marine Corps almost never admits that a Marine CC was there. Quote HistoryQuoted:
On Iwo Jima the first flag-raising had a picture taken, with a Marine in the foreground looking past the photographer. Just after the picture was snapped they all had to hit the deck as some Jap tossed a grenade at them and it landed close. The second flag-raising at Iwo Jima was not a PR stunt. It was done because the first flag was only a 2'x3' and the new one was much larger. The photographer who took the still photo, Joel Rosenthal, went up and the Marine Combat Cameraman, TSSG Bill Genaust, went as well. Genaust took several feet of 8mm film of the event and Rosenthal almost missed the picture and even thought he had missed it since he looked away just before they raised the flag and snapped a picture without looking at the viewfinder. He took a second picture where all the men at the top of the hill are obviously posed in a group, standing in lines. Weeks later when he got back to the ship where the photograhpers and journalists staged from someone asked him if the picture of the flag-raising was staged. He didn't know that the first photo he took was even usable, much less had received so much acclaim so responded that of course it was staged . . . Marines don't line up spontaneously like that, even in the middle of a battle. The very famous photo of the flag-raising on Iwo Jima was NOT staged, it was spontaneous. The film footage from the Marine CC shows that clearly. TSSG Bill Genaust did not live to see the end of the battle for Iwo Jima and so never got any recognition for his film footage while the Marine Corps almost never admits that a Marine CC was there. Quoted:
Kinda like the Iwo Jima picture? Fake news has been around for a while... I don't think GIs pillaged the country for wristwatches or sent trainloads of junk back. As terrible as the Pacific front was, it still doesnt' really equal the eastern front. And the Pacific *was* terrible from any angle. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:14:58 PM EDT
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I bet you Putin plays the lotto |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:26:03 PM EDT
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Berlin Pics WWII
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:28:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:32:33 PM EDT
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I don't think GIs pillaged the country for wristwatches or sent trainloads of junk back. As terrible as the Pacific front was, it still doesnt' really equal the eastern front. And the Pacific *was* terrible from any angle. https://books.google.com/books?id=VcawCwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=watches&f=false I think the whole trainloads things is a myth, although I honestly haven't looked into historic facts. I assume SOME officers managed to get SOME stuff loaded onto military trains, but it would be quite hard to get wagonloads of cargo through USSR without getting caught. Plus what would one DO with a train car of goods in the USSR? Cram it into one's state-issued apartment? Try to fence it on the corner, at the time when such activities were punishable by years in a Gulag? It's just modern journalists inventing stuff. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:37:29 PM EDT
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I thought Mike Ditka as security was the gem...
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:37:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Sure, eating US/UK food and moving shit in US trucks and trains. Without heavy Allied material and logistical support, the USSR would have been steamrolled. They could feed themselves or beat the Nazis by themselves, but not both.
But we gave them just a bit too much aid, and they were able to counterattack too soon with too much of a military remaining. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 6:53:18 PM EDT
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Some people estimate Putin has his hands on $200 billion or more. If he wants something he just takes it. And anyone who tries to stop him just goes away. A very rich thug.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:17:28 PM EDT
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Reds were winning without the second front. Unless you're suggesting an alliance with Hitler, wouldn't the strategy you describe simply result in USSR getting more Europe? Also, the attempts to pit USSR against Nazis were what created WWII in the first place. Stalin has been trying to form an anti-Hitler alliance for all the way till summer 1939, but nobody would join him. Not that history would necessarily be less bloody if European powers+USSR ganged up on Germany earlier, I'd guess they'd still have a WWII, just with a different set of players. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:19:37 PM EDT
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Sure, eating US/UK food and moving shit in US trucks and trains. Without heavy Allied material and logistical support, the USSR would have been steamrolled. They could feed themselves or beat the Nazis by themselves, but not both. But we gave them just a bit too much aid, and they were able to counterattack too soon with too much of a military remaining. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:22:15 PM EDT
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And the "flag raising at Iwo Jima" picture wasn't of the first flag raising on Mount Suribachi. *Gasp* Our whole history is a lie. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:22:20 PM EDT
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Good point. No, not like Iwo Jima at all. I don't think GIs pillaged the country for wristwatches or sent trainloads of junk back. As terrible as the Pacific front was, it still doesnt' really equal the eastern front. And the Pacific *was* terrible from any angle. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:27:46 PM EDT
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When was Berlin moved to Russia?
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:29:15 PM EDT
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Took me all of 2 minutes on Google. Page 70. https://books.google.com/books?id=VcawCwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q=watches&f=false I think the whole trainloads things is a myth, although I honestly haven't looked into historic facts. I assume SOME officers managed to get SOME stuff loaded onto military trains, but it would be quite hard to get wagonloads of cargo through USSR without getting caught. Plus what would one DO with a train car of goods in the USSR? Cram it into one's state-issued apartment? Try to fence it on the corner, at the time when such activities were punishable by years in a Gulag? It's just modern journalists inventing stuff. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:29:42 PM EDT
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P.S. That flag pic BTW was a re-enactment, the first time they put the flag up there, it wasn't documented. So the pic is actually not the first time nor is the guy who is putting up the flag the first one. But it looks credible enough for the unwashed masses. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:30:16 PM EDT
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Neither was the famous photograph of MacArthur ' s triumphant return to The Philippines. The Iwo Jima photograph was not the first, but wasn't staged. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:30:38 PM EDT
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When was Berlin moved to Russia? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:38:02 PM EDT
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I thought he had 2 watches and the others did not...oh well... The original was edited by the Soviets for public consumption because they couldn't show the people that their soldiers were looting. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:59:38 PM EDT
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The pre WWII Soviet Union had no watchmaking industry. After the war, stalin created one largely due to the fact that rank and file russians were exposed to how cheap and plentiful they were for average US, Allied and German Soldiers. ETA- they weren't available to most soldiers though, and the quality wasn't what the average German citizen would be liable to own. More importantly though, watches had real value at that time and up through the quartz revolution. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 8:51:40 PM EDT
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exactly how does anybody know if its not the maintenance guy at that building tossing something into the dumpster? |
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