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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:36:48 PM EDT
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My suggestion is not to go wireless.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:41:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:42:19 PM EDT
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My suggestion is not to go wireless. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:43:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:44:25 PM EDT
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[personal attack removed - warning issued - Paul]
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:45:58 PM EDT
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[personal attack removed - warning issued - Paul] 
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:46:26 PM EDT
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What the fuck is wrong with you? You referring to the fact that I have a huge thread full of videos of criminals, much like the one being talked about in this thread, being killed by police? How does your stupid '17er mind equate that to me masturbating over the suffering of some innocent kids? I swear to God I think some of you think I'm some fat sweaty loser who surfs the internet jacking off to Al Qaeda beheading videos all day. Would it shock you if I told you I just finished treating a Dallas Cowboys football player at my office? Or that I have three little kids and a supermodel hot wife? A safe full of SBRs and suppressors and a new Corvette in the garage? Stay in your lane newb, and don't fucking accuse the paid-membership of being serial killers. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:49:19 PM EDT
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My suggestion is not to go wireless. To put it in other terms - most of the off the shelf wireless cameras won't successfully work across the distance of my house, let alone a "residential complex" |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:52:56 PM EDT
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Chances are, you will not be able to cover the distances involved in a residential complex without signal degradation, interference could also be an issue. The wireless units I have seen had difficulty with a large house, Wireless routers seemed to interfere with a couple as well. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:54:28 PM EDT
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Because unless you are planning to put in high performance directional antennas and building this out with the network first, and cameras second, you're not going to succeed. To put it in other terms - most of the off the shelf wireless cameras won't successfully work across the distance of my house, let alone a "residential complex" Or, what's involved in "high performance directional antennas" ? |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:55:07 PM EDT
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OK...good to know. So, if I have multiple structures, there's no way to run cables to one central DVR. So I'd have to have a DVR on each structure? Or are there other options for a cloud based system? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Chances are, you will not be able to cover the distances involved in a residential complex without signal degradation, interference could also be an issue. The wireless units I have seen had difficulty with a large house, Wireless routers seemed to interfere with a couple as well. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:55:20 PM EDT
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NVR for each complex. Beam feed from NVR to a central location? Possible ?
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:56:21 PM EDT
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NVR for each complex. Beam feed from NVR to a central location? Possible ? |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:57:52 PM EDT
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Ubiquity rockets set up as your aps and receivers with tough switches to handle the cameras. If longer distances are required you can build a backbone out of airfiber units. There's a fairly large municipality near me with 700+ cameras set up on this equipment. It's as stable as wireless is gonna get.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 8:58:32 PM EDT
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Are there more substantial "pro level" units that will, as opposed to the costco type packages? Or you're saying none of them will cut it? Or, what's involved in "high performance directional antennas" ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because unless you are planning to put in high performance directional antennas and building this out with the network first, and cameras second, you're not going to succeed. To put it in other terms - most of the off the shelf wireless cameras won't successfully work across the distance of my house, let alone a "residential complex" Or, what's involved in "high performance directional antennas" ? Go find a network geek in your area and have him survey the property and give you some options. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:00:09 PM EDT
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Ubiquity rockets set up as your aps and receivers with tough switches to handle the cameras. If longer distances are required you can build a backbone out of airfiber units. There's a fairly large municipality near me with 700+ cameras set up on this equipment. It's as stable as wireless is gonna get. Not cheap, but good to go. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:04:58 PM EDT
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Quote Historyreading as fast as I can....thanks
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:06:05 PM EDT
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[personal attack removed - warning issued - Paul]. ibtl and ban |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:06:37 PM EDT
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If you have the requirements that you say that you have call a professional security company to give you a survey and quote for the work. 22 or more wireless cameras are not going to work well at the distances you are talking about. Had a system installed at my firehall, wireless at first, traded it very quickly for a wired system which has a digital recorder and works very well. (now 5 years) 8 cameras. Add the cost to your tenants lease/rent.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:07:26 PM EDT
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I 2nd the Ubiquity recommendation. Not cheap, but good to go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ubiquity rockets set up as your aps and receivers with tough switches to handle the cameras. If longer distances are required you can build a backbone out of airfiber units. There's a fairly large municipality near me with 700+ cameras set up on this equipment. It's as stable as wireless is gonna get. Not cheap, but good to go. https://www.ubnt.com/products/#default |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:08:38 PM EDT
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If you have the requirements that you say that you have call a professional security company to give you a survey and quote for the work. 22 or more wireless cameras are not going to work well at the distances you are talking about. Had a system installed at my firehall, wireless at first, traded it very quickly for a wired system which has a digital recorder and works very well. (now 5 years) 8 cameras. Add the cost to your tenants lease/rent. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:09:14 PM EDT
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Most systems only support up to 4 wireless cams due to limitations.
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:13:07 PM EDT
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Wireless is a terrible idea. The connections are not reliable, easily forcibly disconnected, and easily hacked into.
Your internal/wireless network should be completely segmented from your camera network. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:23:25 PM EDT
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the wireless traffic would be a nightmare with that constant traffic...
the channel coordination would require some serious planning, else suffer horrible degradation in available bandwidth per camera remember, those cameras are pushing traffic all the time.. not like your ipad that does it in spurts where it's easy to share air time and bandwidth. i'd seriously go wired if you want the system to actually work and not constantly cause you headaches. you'd get to a wired system eventually, you either do it in the beginning or spend a few hundred hours troubleshooting problems and end up wiring it later.. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:26:45 PM EDT
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Wireless is a terrible idea. The connections are not reliable, easily forcibly disconnected, and easily hacked into. Your internal/wireless network should be completely segmented from your camera network. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:42:22 PM EDT
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Wireless is a terrible idea. The connections are not reliable, easily forcibly disconnected, and easily hacked into. Your internal/wireless network should be completely segmented from your camera network. Have each of them connect to your wireless network. Have each of them go to YouTube or Xfinity or Netflix and try to watch something at the same time. It will become very obvious how hopeless the idea of running 22 cameras on wireless is. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:44:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2017 9:48:58 PM EDT
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Please explain? I am a fan of the NVR from Security Camera Warehouse. They have their own power over ethernet switch built into the back of the DVR, so that you don't need to buy any additional hardware, and it takes care of segmenting the network for you. You simply have to run one cable to each camera, and that handles both the power and the data. To simplify it, you can one one ethernet cable to each building from a main building, and put a PoE switch inside each building that you run the cameras for that building into. Can you give us an mspaint of the complex layout? |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 11:24:41 PM EDT
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Invite 21 friends over. Have each of them connect to your wireless network. Have each of them go to YouTube or Xfinity or Netflix and try to watch something at the same time. It will become very obvious how hopeless the idea of running 22 cameras on wireless is. |
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Posted: 8/20/2017 11:27:15 PM EDT
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Invite 21 friends over. Have each of them connect to your wireless network. Have each of them go to YouTube or Xfinity or Netflix and try to watch something at the same time. It will become very obvious how hopeless the idea of running 22 cameras on wireless is. Most moderate to high end cameras are pushing more data than a Netflix or YouTube stream. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:12:34 AM EDT
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You want to have your cameras on a separate physical network(or a separate virtual network) from the rest of your network, so that they cannot be accessed from other computers on the network, or the internet. I am a fan of the NVR from Security Camera Warehouse. They have their own power over ethernet switch built into the back of the DVR, so that you don't need to buy any additional hardware, and it takes care of segmenting the network for you. You simply have to run one cable to each camera, and that handles both the power and the data. To simplify it, you can one one ethernet cable to each building from a main building, and put a PoE switch inside each building that you run the cameras for that building into. Can you give us an mspaint of the complex layout? :
 Attached FileSo we'd want to cover the front doors on the street side, as well as anything that goes through the walk through gate or the drive through gate, the entire motor court, and the front doors of the rear facing units....basically the whole property. The motor court is more narrow than my MS Paint diagram would have you believe, and we would NOT be able to mount anything on the (red) security wall facing inward. Any cameras would have to be mounted on the (orange) buildings. To cover the motor court, and be able to see both the front and rear facing garages, I suspect we would need 8 cameras just for that....1 at each corner of each building, facing inward. 8 for the motor court 4 for the street side front units 4 for the front of the rear facing units 2 for the walkways at the sides of the rear facing units 1 for the mailbox area 1 facing the front gates from the mailbox area 1 facing the intercoms -------- 21 cameras ? |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:14:42 AM EDT
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Might want to ask over in the safe/security forum.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:22:13 AM EDT
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NVR for each complex. Beam feed from NVR to a central location? Possible ? Each complex probably won't require more cameras than a relatively inexpensive NVR can accommodate. You really don't even need to "beam" live video from each NVR to any other location - Just let 'em run and record. If there's an incident that requires reviewing video, you can go to that complex and copy the video on to a portable drive. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:38:11 AM EDT
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I use ipconfigure ESM with around 760+ carmeras across 34 sites.
All POE wired IP cameras (multi vendor, axis, Panasonic, Sony, hikvision, pelco, etc) however the system itself doesn't care if it's wired or wireless. The system is centrally managed with an "archive server" at each physical location. That keeps the data local to the physical site, but allows web browser access to the entire system via a single web page. They also have a new system called orchid that is also distributed, but can use smaller "servers". I use orchid at home on a raspberry pi "server" and record 7 IP cameras. Works great. Orchid can also do servers at each location and they have a central management server. Runs with most newer cameras that support ONVIF and H.264 RTSP streaming. If I were tasked with your project, I'd get Orchid, run archive servers at each location with their management server and probably a bunch of low cost hikvision cameras. If the budget is there, Axis cameras with light finder for outdoor use. Light finder is amazing. Very low light, but full color. https://www.ipconfigure.com They are a US company too. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 12:46:17 AM EDT
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Suggestion: hire a professional for a consult if for nothing else.
I'd put out a request for information and get bids from a few professionals. You're going to need a complex mixture of lens, housing, mountings, network wiring, recording, archiving, and monitoring equipment. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 5:48:32 AM EDT
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Suggestion: hire a professional for a consult if for nothing else. I'd put out a request for information and get bids from a few professionals. You're going to need a complex mixture of lens, housing, mountings, network wiring, recording, archiving, and monitoring equipment. That's a big project. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 6:33:54 AM EDT
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This is what I would advise. That's a big project. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suggestion: hire a professional for a consult if for nothing else. I'd put out a request for information and get bids from a few professionals. You're going to need a complex mixture of lens, housing, mountings, network wiring, recording, archiving, and monitoring equipment. That's a big project. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 1:56:46 PM EDT
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Out of curiosity, how much would everything cost ballpark? Easily over $15k? Think of it as four separate systems, likely with local recording in each building. That's probably 4-5k/building (with roughly a 50/50 split between hardware and installation labor) And it could easily be more expensive than that, depending on the hardware. |
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Posted: 8/21/2017 7:55:24 PM EDT
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Easily. Think of it as four separate systems, likely with local recording in each building. That's probably 4-5k/building (with roughly a 50/50 split between hardware and installation labor) And it could easily be more expensive than that, depending on the hardware. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:03:07 PM EDT
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Bldg.'s A and B are linked by the roof that covers the mail box area, so theoretically we might be able to get away with (3) systems (?) |
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