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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:09:08 PM EDT
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Yes there is. Do you use facebook? There is a group called uspsa-washington state shooters that sometimes posts about 2 gun matches around the state.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:10:08 PM EDT
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Yes there is. Do you use facebook? There is a group called uspsa-washington practical shooters that sometimes posts about 2 gun matches. Probably update my profile, I live in the country's armpit. Aka Columbus, GA |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:10:09 PM EDT
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Just shoot 3 gun and stop sucking with a shotgun
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:11:05 PM EDT
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I just did my first 3 gun last weekend and got 5th out of 20.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:11:16 PM EDT
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I should Probably update my profile, I live in the country's armpit. Aka Columbus, GA |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:11:47 PM EDT
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Check out InRangeTV on youtube. Ian and Karl do a lot of two gun matches. Looks really fun.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:12:12 PM EDT
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Yep lots of 2-gun stuff out there for those that don't like the shotgun.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:13:15 PM EDT
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Yeah, They are both a little far from me and I have a hundred things to do around the property. I hope to get in on some matches in the future. I hope you find some local to you.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_13/547986_2G-ACM---2-Gun-Action-Challenge-Match.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_13/615132_August-AZ2GUN-monthly-match-announcement.html Some cool videos and really talented guys. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:13:31 PM EDT
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Check out InRangeTV on youtube. Ian and Karl do a lot of two gun matches. Looks really fun. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:15:43 PM EDT
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Just shoot 3 gun and stop sucking with a shotgun |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:18:11 PM EDT
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Yep check out their harder than hell 2 gun matches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Check out InRangeTV on youtube. Ian and Karl do a lot of two gun matches. Looks really fun. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:18:55 PM EDT
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Where are you in Washington?
FNRL (Friday Night Rifle League) a weekly indoor two gun shoot used to be held at WSI, Wades and most recently at West Coast Armory. I think it's currently searching for a new home. The format was usually carbine with a transition to pistol. I think Wades has a bi weekly pistol caliber carbine shoot. Rifle calibers seem to be allowed after you shoot a few safely. There are definitely events out there. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:19:15 PM EDT
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I love shotguns but three gun shotguns have gotten retarded. The race handguns and rifles i can see being useful in real life but the shotguns are full derp. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just shoot 3 gun and stop sucking with a shotgun |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:21:40 PM EDT
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I even had a noob moment when I set the rifle on the table
 More 3gun 07/29/17 |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:25:11 PM EDT
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Most people have a rifle and pistol that would be competitive in 3 gun competitions. Most people do not have a shotgun that would be competitive. If there was more two gun (no shotgun), there would be many more people interested.
I have found a major reason people don't get into competitions is the gear requirements. Most people don't want to invest in something to compete unless they are sure they are going to like it. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:29:47 PM EDT
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Most people have a rifle and pistol that would be competitive in 3 gun competitions. Most people do not have a shotgun that would be competitive. If there was more two gun (no shotgun), there would be many more people interested. I have found a major reason people don't get into competitions is the gear requirements. Most people don't want to invest in something to compete unless they are sure they are going to like it. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:46:08 PM EDT
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I think the major reason is people are afraid to show the world their deficits. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most people have a rifle and pistol that would be competitive in 3 gun competitions. Most people do not have a shotgun that would be competitive. If there was more two gun (no shotgun), there would be many more people interested. I have found a major reason people don't get into competitions is the gear requirements. Most people don't want to invest in something to compete unless they are sure they are going to like it. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:57:05 PM EDT
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Just shoot 3 gun and stop sucking with a shotgun |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 10:59:29 PM EDT
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I love shotguns but three gun shotguns have gotten retarded. The race handguns and rifles i can see being useful in real life but the shotguns are full derp. Who knew? |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:03:16 PM EDT
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I think a lot of people would like to get into the sport but there are a lot of white new balance wearing pricks that are so worried about the rules that the new guys give up. I value consistent rules. I cringe when you get rule nazi's that scare off new shooters by yelling at them how they screw up. There is always ways to apply the rules with dignity and respect. Some people take it as a power trip and need to be pulled aside and talked to when they go over the line. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:04:31 PM EDT
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I never understood the shotgun portion of 3-gun. 2-gun with pistol and rifle/carbine would make more sense for any real world scenarios.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:05:30 PM EDT
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I would be more interested in 2 gun than 3 gun.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:09:50 PM EDT
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Just shoot 3 gun and stop sucking with a shotgun |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:10:24 PM EDT
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I have a rifle and pistol that would be suitable for entry level competition. I don't own any shotguns and don't want to spend money on even an inexpensive one.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:11:02 PM EDT
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It was already decided that Gary, Indiana is the armpit of America. 
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:14:55 PM EDT
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I think the major reason is people are afraid to show the world their deficits. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:18:57 PM EDT
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I think the major reason is people are afraid to show the world their deficits. Make the 3rd gun a grenade launcher and they might be on to something. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:19:40 PM EDT
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Both of my local shooting clubs do 3-gun style matches, 2-gun style matches, and pistol matches.
I feel you on thinking a lot of the guns are a bit over the top, but the beauty of the sport is, there are classes for folks that want to run duty-style weapons as well. And keep in mind, your average local shooter, probably isn't toting a $4000 benelli. I find some of the shotgun portions of stages to be the most fun. Only having 9 in the tube with 16 targets forces you to be good on your reloads and accurate. Plus a slug target thrown in sometimes for good measure tests your abilities at a bit further range. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:27:00 PM EDT
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I think the major reason is people are afraid to show the world their deficits. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:27:34 PM EDT
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Leave the gear war to the open shooters.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:30:23 PM EDT
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Florida Defensive Carbine Club is going on maybe 15 years here in NE Florida. It's 2 gun. I haven't shot it in a long time, but it is awesome.
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:30:29 PM EDT
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Two gun exists because the 'competitor' types ruined 3 gun, but the shotgun in it worst of all. Made it all about points, with little about tactics or field conditions. But the shotgun turned into nothing but a 'Gear Race.'
I've done a bit of 'Action Pistol,' and some of 3 Gun. It's not what I hoped it would be. You get more points by running all the way up to the targets for headshots, vs keeping or adding distance. Unless that's not allowed. Everything 'gamey' that many really want to not happen has to be directly prohibited or the 'competitors' will game the shit out of it. Idk, half way ruined for me over all. |
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Posted: 8/2/2017 11:30:41 PM EDT
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I shot 3 gun for about 5 years and quit when all of the quad load and other ridiculous shell caddies came into play. I still enjoy carbine matches. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 12:40:59 AM EDT
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Two gun exists because the 'competitor' types ruined 3 gun, but the shotgun in it worst of all. Made it all about points, with little about tactics or field conditions. But the shotgun turned into nothing but a 'Gear Race.' I've done a bit of 'Action Pistol,' and some of 3 Gun. It's not what I hoped it would be. You get more points by running all the way up to the targets for headshots, vs keeping or adding distance. Unless that's not allowed. Everything 'gamey' that many really want to not happen has to be directly prohibited or the 'competitors' will game the shit out of it. Idk, half way ruined for me over all. Ok, then.... |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 12:42:24 AM EDT
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I even had a noob moment when I set the rifle on the table  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5p2Df-F-kThis may be the first time I've ever seen a pistol lanyard used in 3-Gun, ever. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 12:53:59 AM EDT
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So I gotta ask.... What's with all the gear? This may be the first time I've ever seen a pistol lanyard used in 3-Gun, ever. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I even had a noob moment when I set the rifle on the table https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH5p2Df-F-kThis may be the first time I've ever seen a pistol lanyard used in 3-Gun, ever. 
He thinks he did well but in reality the plates just saw the very large man with the 1911 and said "Fuck this!" and fell down 
I was hoping he'd stick the bayonet on the 20" tho 
Next time please! 
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:04:30 AM EDT
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I think the major reason is people are afraid to show the world their deficits. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:25:27 AM EDT
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Yup 2 gun is a thing! Shooting the Wyoming Governor's Multigun match this weekend.
Competition Dynamics |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:28:44 AM EDT
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Range here in Jersey does .22lr two-gun. Sure there are more out there.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:32:40 AM EDT
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I just did my first 3 gun last weekend and got 5th out of 20. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:33:20 AM EDT
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So serious competitors being competitive in a competition ruined it for you? Ok, then.... They will lighten up a trigger pull until it would be considered unsafe in ANY other use. They engage targets in scenarios, and treat them as they never would dream of in real life. It would be fine for a game, but them don't get confused between competition and real world, if that's what you consider as valuable. The biggest failure of my local 'Action Pistol' matches is that there's no instructing/coach hardly. Most show up every week, never getting any better. Complete plateau. I get that it's not for that, but it's a compete wasted opportunity for supposed goal of building people's skills and interest. Most of the people who seem to do the best, do some of the least coaching. Like they are hoarding the skill. They do recognize formal training though. They recognize my current structure ways, and inquire. SO they do know what 'right looks like.' |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:34:18 AM EDT
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I should Probably update my profile, I live in the country's armpit. Aka Columbus, GA |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:35:27 AM EDT
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All shotgun portions of 3-gun matches should simply be just racking the action, because the sound is all that matters
...then back to pistol and carbine
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:36:47 AM EDT
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Nationally, the closest thing was the USCA, US Carbine Association that was started by the guys that did the Florida shoot. AFAIK, it's dead. I think it didn't get the crossover from existing 3-gunners to keep it going, IMO. So, I don't think a dedicated 2-gun sport is the solution.
But, having shot at Safariland Expedition, I now think having a 2-gun Division is the answer. Your existing 3-gun match stays the same, just add the 2-gun division. Shotgun, rifle, pistol, or PCC. Any of those 2 on any stage on any legal target. For match directors and stage designers, your match stays the same except no flying clays. But, now, you have new shooters that can shoot it just with their rifle and pistol and experienced shooters like myself that will shoot it to allow me a choice of when I'd rather shoot my PCC than my shotgun. It opens up a lot of stage strategies. I encourage all local match directors to please make it happen. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 1:44:27 AM EDT
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Geez dude we get it. You shot three gun one time and you really liked it. OP clearly said he doesn't like shot guns which is perfectly fine. Why don't you just leave at that and go find somewhere to post that video of you doing dead lifts? 
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Posted: 8/3/2017 2:13:17 AM EDT
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Yup. As mentioned, FNRL.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 2:54:52 AM EDT
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Also a lot of the good stuff in Wa is set up on a few facebook groups, not on forums, this one in particular (though lots of people lurk it.)
Best bet is to hit ranges, ask around and get vouched into some of the local cliques. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 6:30:33 AM EDT
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I've been shooting 3 gun for about 3 decades. I'm happy to see some local 2 gun matches popping up recently. I think they will bring in a lot more new competitors. I've never been crazy about the shotgun because it's about 10% shooting skill and 90% loading skill. I have a shotgun for home defense, but if I ever get attacked by a huge biker gang or a hoard of zombies I'm not going to reload the shotgun, I'm going to pick up a rifle or handgun and that's how 3-gun should be run imho. You shoot it dry and transition. Fortunately there has been a movement here recently to make paper targets rifle or pistol and steel pistol or shotgun which is a big improvement.
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Posted: 8/3/2017 7:43:14 AM EDT
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Geez dude we get it. You shot three gun one time and you really liked it. OP clearly said he doesn't like shot guns which is perfectly fine. Why don't you just leave at that and go find somewhere to post that video of you doing dead lifts? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think the major reason is people are afraid to show the world their deficits. 
Start a farm strength thread, I'll be around shortly. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 7:45:57 AM EDT
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I love shotguns but three gun shotguns have gotten retarded. The race handguns and rifles i can see being useful in real life but the shotguns are full derp. |
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