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Posted: 6/20/2017 2:40:08 AM EDT
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The Seattle Times reported that Lyles was several months pregnant and had been struggling with mental-health issues for the past year.
Lyles's sister, Monika Williams, attended a vigil service dedicated to her sister on Sunday. “Why couldn’t they have Tased her?” Williams said to the Seattle Times. “They could have taken her down. I could have taken her down.” |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 2:44:17 AM EDT
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A bit vague on details but they happened to throw in she had been suffering from mental health issues. Honestly, why? Is there a point I'm missing?
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Posted: 6/20/2017 2:44:45 AM EDT
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There are interaction in which all parties lose.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 2:45:52 AM EDT
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From the comments in op.
@vivelafra @ShaunKing Why shoot to kill? Good grief, a woman with a knife against armed police? Shoot her in the knees or arm. For heaven sake, stop the killing! 6:35 PM - 18 Jun 2017 |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 2:46:20 AM EDT
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A bit vague on details but they happened to throw in she had been suffering from mental health issues. Honestly, why? Is there a point I'm missing? If you listen to the audio (I only listened to the beginning) the officers can be heard on dash cam talking about some other crazy call she made at which time she was armed with scissors. They had a police alert on her residence. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 2:47:37 AM EDT
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Probably wasn't even a burglary. She knew the police were responding and still decided she should be armed with a knife. If you listen to the audio (I only listened to the beginning) the officers can be heard on dash cam talking about some other crazy call she made at which time she was armed with scissors. They had a police alert on her residence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A bit vague on details but they happened to throw in she had been suffering from mental health issues. Honestly, why? Is there a point I'm missing? If you listen to the audio (I only listened to the beginning) the officers can be heard on dash cam talking about some other crazy call she made at which time she was armed with scissors. They had a police alert on her residence. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 2:51:56 AM EDT
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http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-injured-in-north-seattle-officer-involved-shooting/535326723
Five days before the fatal incident, a judge in Seattle Mental Health Court ordered her not to possess “weapons or items that can be used as weapons.” A police report from another incident involving Lyles earlier this month at the same low-income housing unit indicates that she “experienced a recent sudden and rapid decline in her mental health.” In the fatal incident on Sunday, police were called to the report of a burglary at her apartment near Magnuson Park. Two officers fired after they said she refused to drop a knife. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 3:09:24 AM EDT
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Seattle gonna burn?
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Posted: 6/20/2017 3:13:25 AM EDT
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"shoot her in the knee or the arms, STOP THE KILLING"
fucking lol |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 3:43:30 AM EDT
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Suicide by cop?
that sucks for everyone |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 4:22:20 AM EDT
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Heard the audio today. Good shot. Fuck her and the rest of them.
Ed |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 4:30:21 AM EDT
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All those kids and not a single quote from her husband!!!
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Posted: 6/20/2017 5:42:24 AM EDT
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#ohwell
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Posted: 6/20/2017 6:14:38 AM EDT
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Heard the audio today. Good shot. Fuck her and the rest of them. Ed |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 6:19:55 AM EDT
[#15]
That story isn't quite what you think from the title.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 6:20:28 AM EDT
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It might have been a necessary shoot, but I wouldnt call it a good shoot. Two people died in this incident. If she was having mental issues she might not have even known what she was doing. I'm sure we'll survive this great loss. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 6:21:42 AM EDT
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I'll be devils advocate here.
They knew they were going to deal with a female,who is mentally ill, and has picked up weapons in the past. She had a knife, not a box fed 12gauge. Wouldn't it have made sense to go in with a full can of riot control pepperspray or rubber buckshot or something? They knew what they were getting into, they had time to prepare. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 6:22:26 AM EDT
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I'll be devils advocate here. They knew they were going to deal with a female,who is mentally ill, and has picked up weapons in the past. She had a knife, not a box fed 12gauge. Wouldn't it have made sense to go in with a full can of riot control pepperspray or rubber buckshot or something? They knew what they were getting into, they had time to prepare. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 6:25:01 AM EDT
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All those kids and not a single quote from her husband!!! |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 6:39:38 AM EDT
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Seattle gonna burn? 
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Posted: 6/20/2017 7:05:30 AM EDT
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I'll be devils advocate here. They knew they were going to deal with a female,who is mentally ill, and has picked up weapons in the past. She had a knife, not a box fed 12gauge. Wouldn't it have made sense to go in with a full can of riot control pepperspray or rubber buckshot or something? They knew what they were getting into, they had time to prepare. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 7:16:55 AM EDT
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From the comments in op.
@vivelafra @ShaunKing Why shoot to kill? Good grief, a woman with a knife against armed police? Shoot her in the knees or arm. For heaven sake, stop the killing! 6:35 PM - 18 Jun 2017 Just like the movies. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 7:32:56 AM EDT
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From the comments in op.
@vivelafra @ShaunKing Why shoot to kill? Good grief, a woman with a knife against armed police? Shoot her in the knees or arm. For heaven sake, stop the killing! 6:35 PM - 18 Jun 2017 |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 7:35:37 AM EDT
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All those kids and not a single quote from her husband!!! |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 7:49:19 AM EDT
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I'll be devils advocate here. They knew they were going to deal with a female,who is mentally ill, and has picked up weapons in the past. She had a knife, not a box fed 12gauge. Wouldn't it have made sense to go in with a full can of riot control pepperspray or rubber buckshot or something? They knew what they were getting into, they had time to prepare. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 7:59:48 AM EDT
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Sucks for everyone involved. I have an immediate family member with a mental illness and know all about it. I never have called law enforcement to deal with them and I never will. Not a slight at the police.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 8:08:03 AM EDT
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Heard the audio today. Good shot. Fuck her and the rest of them. Ed
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Posted: 6/20/2017 8:20:56 AM EDT
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What is it with you guys who only post links?
Lazy fuckers. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 8:26:13 AM EDT
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I was willing to listen until they went full retard with the race claims, but it looks like a legal shoot anyway.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 8:30:11 AM EDT
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Sucks for everyone involved. I have an immediate family member with a mental illness and know all about it. I never have called law enforcement to deal with them and I never will. Not a slight at the police. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 8:46:38 AM EDT
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Lets play Devils Advocate for a second. Why not at least try to tazer her first? You have multiple officers there, have one guy deploy the tazer and if that doesn't work the other/rest of the officers can light her ass up. I dont know enough about the situation or policing in general to really know one way or the other.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 8:52:57 AM EDT
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It might have been a necessary shoot, but I wouldnt call it a good shoot. Two people died in this incident. If she was having mental issues she might not have even known what she was doing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Heard the audio today. Good shot. Fuck her and the rest of them. Ed |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 8:55:39 AM EDT
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Suicide by cop? that sucks for everyone Whether intentional suicide or not it sounds like she shouldn't be living outside with four children. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 8:58:51 AM EDT
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Lets play Devils Advocate for a second. Why not at least try to tazer her first? You have multiple officers there, have one guy deploy the tazer and if that doesn't work the other/rest of the officers can light her ass up. I dont know enough about the situation or policing in general to really know one way or the other. http://i.imgur.com/LezT30q.jpg |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 8:59:09 AM EDT
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I'll be devils advocate here. They knew they were going to deal with a female,who is mentally ill, and has picked up weapons in the past. She had a knife, not a box fed 12gauge. Wouldn't it have made sense to go in with a full can of riot control pepperspray or rubber buckshot or something? They knew what they were getting into, they had time to prepare. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:00:39 AM EDT
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Nothing we will say will ever convince someone that it was a justified shoot. They start out against the police.
You can't reason with someone to change their opinion if they didn't use reason to get there in the first place. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:01:31 AM EDT
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The real story says OP chose a bullshit article with a title guaranteed to get the cop haters in a lather.
Should have said "Mentally ill woman with violent past attacks cops and is shot". |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:10:31 AM EDT
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I'll be devils advocate here. They knew they were going to deal with a female,who is mentally ill, and has picked up weapons in the past. She had a knife, not a box fed 12gauge. Wouldn't it have made sense to go in with a full can of riot control pepperspray or rubber buckshot or something? They knew what they were getting into, they had time to prepare. Plus, as was pointed out by others, pain compliance doesn't always work with mentally ill folks. Also, knife is lethal force, and it's met with lethal force. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:10:33 AM EDT
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Not surprisingly not a single local news outlet has played the full audio beyond the part where they shoot her
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:12:13 AM EDT
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Personally I don't give a fuck anymore.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:14:49 AM EDT
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Nothing we will say will ever convince someone that it was a justified shoot. They start out against the police. You can't reason with someone to change their opinion if they didn't use reason to get there in the first place. An accurate assessment I heard from one of the cops I work with was along the lines of "it's akin to being a Marine Infantryman in the Hellmand Province: you have no allies or support from the indegineous population and many of them are actively working against you in a hostile manner." He went on to say "that's why we went from Sheriff Taylor to Army Ranger", he's not wrong, we are issued body armor on the Ambulance/Firetrucks in certain AOs. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:16:38 AM EDT
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Asked and answered. You don't meet deadly force (knife) with less-lethal force (Taser). If a crazy guy is coming at you with a knife while you're out and about, should YOU be required to try pepper spray or some other bullshit first? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lets play Devils Advocate for a second. Why not at least try to tazer her first? You have multiple officers there, have one guy deploy the tazer and if that doesn't work the other/rest of the officers can light her ass up. I dont know enough about the situation or policing in general to really know one way or the other. http://i.imgur.com/LezT30q.jpg |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:20:12 AM EDT
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Heard the tape this morning. Seconds before she grabs the knife (and says "Do it! Do it!) she was talking to the police about what was "stolen".
One of the cops even says (after she grabs the knife) "Taze her!" and the other cops says "I don't have one" |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:21:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAccording the the Washington Post, the children inside at the time were unharmed. Family members of Lyles' told The Seattle Times that they believe her race -- African-American -- was a factor in her
death. Seattle police told the newspaper that the officers who shot her are white.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:23:26 AM EDT
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A lose/lose situation if there ever was one. Sucks for the cops and the kids.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:31:06 AM EDT
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The real story says OP chose a bullshit article with a title guaranteed to get the cop haters in a lather. Should have said "Mentally ill woman with violent past attacks cops and is shot". 
Media gonna media |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:31:27 AM EDT
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A lose/lose situation if there ever was one. Sucks for the cops and the kids. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:36:58 AM EDT
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They knew beforehand she was holding a knife? I didn't see that in the story. They showed up knowing she had issues but didn't see knife until she sat down on the couch after they were inside. Plus she said something about coming after them. Maybe be an advocate about using some karate or something? Also neither one had a taser. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll be devils advocate here. They knew they were going to deal with a female,who is mentally ill, and has picked up weapons in the past. She had a knife, not a box fed 12gauge. Wouldn't it have made sense to go in with a full can of riot control pepperspray or rubber buckshot or something? They knew what they were getting into, they had time to prepare. You don't use tasers against deadly force in most situations. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:45:46 AM EDT
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They are already under a consent decree with the feds for handling crazy people, this will only be a blip in the data.
Article written last year The latest report published today on SPD’s Crisis Intervention Program shows arrests and use of force continues to be a rare occurrence when officers are dealing with persons in crisis. With approximately 9,300 crisis responses reported last year, only 149 (1.6%) involved any use of reportable force, and of these, only 36 (0.4% of crisis responses overall) involved greater than a low-level, Type I use of force. This is a testament to the impact of enhanced training and data collection as part SPD’s Crisis Intervention Program. When compared to the estimation cited by the Department of Justice in 2011 that more than 70% of force incidents involved persons in crisis, these latest numbers are clear evidence that SPD officers have embraced, and are applying in practice, the de-escalation and CIT skills that are now emphasized in training. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:49:30 AM EDT
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Suicide by cop, is what it sounds like.
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