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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:46:09 PM EDT
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When they've been convicted of firing a gun at police, no.
No, they should not have guns in that case. Guess that's hard to understand for some. 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:49:12 PM EDT
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When they've been convicted of firing a gun at police, no. No, they should not have guns in that case. Guess that's hard to understand for some. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:54:23 PM EDT
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In.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:54:30 PM EDT
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When they've been convicted of firing a gun at police, no. No, they should not have guns in that case. Guess that's hard to understand for some. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:55:29 PM EDT
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Shall not be infringed, bro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When they've been convicted of firing a gun at police, no. No, they should not have guns in that case. Guess that's hard to understand for some. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:57:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:58:49 PM EDT
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Dang he had some decent shit
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Posted: 4/20/2017 5:59:45 PM EDT
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When they've been convicted of firing a gun at police, no. No, they should not have guns in that case. Guess that's hard to understand for some. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:00:47 PM EDT
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Misleading thread title is misleading
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:01:17 PM EDT
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Shall not be infringed, bro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When they've been convicted of firing a gun at police, no. No, they should not have guns in that case. Guess that's hard to understand for some. Bro |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:02:24 PM EDT
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Once a sentence is served, all rights need to be restored
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:02:58 PM EDT
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If he can't be trusted with a gun in society then he doesn't deserve to be in society. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:03:57 PM EDT
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Zombie eh: Must be observing the average democrat voter....If the felony did not involve firearms I say you get gun rights back...when back in society....but I am pro gun...
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:04:02 PM EDT
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If he can't be trusted with a gun in society then he doesn't deserve to be in society. Here in the real world, sadly, a great many who don't "deserve to be in society" are released anyway for solely economic reasons. 
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:06:21 PM EDT
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It's hard to believe you can be arrested and held with a $100,000 bond for owning a cordless drill.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:07:17 PM EDT
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Once a sentence is served, all rights need to be restored I had a great collection that he had to sell off during his trial. I got some sweet deals but I still don't think its right. He's welcome to use them anytime he pleases. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:08:02 PM EDT
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I say if he commits a serious crime, punish him severely for the crime. Once his debt is paid then why continue to deprive him of his rights? If he's that dangerous then why did you let him out?
I don't understand the way we apply the law in this country. Some people that commit serious crimes get a slap on the wrist and other people get punished like crazy for what they "might" do. What other constitutional rights are voided forever if you commit a felony? Does he lose his First Amendment right? 5th? |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:08:18 PM EDT
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Misleading thread title is misleading |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:08:34 PM EDT
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Shall not be infringed, bro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When they've been convicted of firing a gun at police, no. No, they should not have guns in that case. Guess that's hard to understand for some. don't like the laws, fight to change them, too lazy to fight them, obey them, bro... |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:11:10 PM EDT
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When they've been convicted of firing a gun at police, no. No, they should not have guns in that case. Guess that's hard to understand for some. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:13:37 PM EDT
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I say if he commits a serious crime, punish him severely for the crime. Once his debt is paid then why continue to deprive him of his rights? If he's that dangerous then why did you let him out? I don't understand the way we apply the law in this country. Some people that commit serious crimes get a slap on the wrist and other people get punished like crazy for what they "might" do. What other constitutional rights are voided forever if you commit a felony? Does he lose his First Amendment right? 5th? But a white collar crime, why deprive them of their rights if they were never violent? |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:14:22 PM EDT
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then don't break the law bro...criminals have lost their rights under the constitution for a rather long time. don't like the laws, fight to change them, too lazy to fight them, obey them, bro... |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:15:04 PM EDT
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then don't break the law bro...criminals have lost their rights under the constitution for a rather long time. don't like the laws, fight to change them, too lazy to fight them, obey them, bro... |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:16:48 PM EDT
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Oh well he knew he was a felon sooooo
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:21:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:29:06 PM EDT
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I tend to agree with this. I have a cousin who is a convicted felon. He embesseled money from the bank he worked at. He's never done anything violent but because of this he can't own a firearm. I had a great collection that he had to sell off during his trial. I got some sweet deals but I still don't think its right. He's welcome to use them anytime he pleases. Be careful what you put on the internet. For the record, non-violent felons should IMHO. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:36:19 PM EDT
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Unpossible, WA has UBCs, we're like all safe and shit.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:38:30 PM EDT
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Shall not be infringed, bro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When they've been convicted of firing a gun at police, no. No, they should not have guns in that case. Guess that's hard to understand for some. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:40:49 PM EDT
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Moron needs to learn some opsec. Some anti-gun family members definitely ratted him out.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:42:04 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:43:40 PM EDT
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If he is still a threat he should still be in prison. Short of a life without parole sentence, point me to one place in the U.S. where that is actually the rule rather than the exception. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:50:22 PM EDT
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Shall not be infringed, bro. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:50:47 PM EDT
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Rights can be deprived though due process. I tend to agree with the folks that think if a guy cant be trusted with a gun, he should never be released. It's still gun control and only as effective as any other law in that it only disarms those who are inclined to obey laws. A convicted felon intent on committing more crimes wont follow the law so it will only affect convicts who turned their life around. Having said that, at one time rather than the POPO and the courts (which do not seem to be working too well these days), the common citizens would take care of business to rid themselves of the trash. Kind of reminds me of the concept of 'free speech': that is, all speech is guaranteed except 'hate speech'. Again, who knew? Pretty slippery slope I would say ............... |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:54:01 PM EDT
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Even in Colonial days felons were disenfranchised of any right to bear arms. Clayton Cramer wrote a book on the subject.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:54:53 PM EDT
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Key word being "should." Short of a life without parole sentence, point me to one place in the U.S. where that is actually the rule rather than the exception. Seems like many here who are willing to sacrifice basic liberties to provide cover for an inept and inefficient justice system. That's fucked up. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 6:57:13 PM EDT
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Must have been watching too much Walking Dead
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:02:25 PM EDT
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I say if he commits a serious crime, punish him severely for the crime. Once his debt is paid then why continue to deprive him of his rights? If he's that dangerous then why did you let him out? I don't understand the way we apply the law in this country. Some people that commit serious crimes get a slap on the wrist and other people get punished like crazy for what they "might" do. What other constitutional rights are voided forever if you commit a felony? Does he lose his First Amendment right? 5th? Many felons have paid their penalties and erned their right to own firearms, to vote, to live freely in our "formerly free" country. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:10:52 PM EDT
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I say if he commits a serious crime, punish him severely for the crime. Once his debt is paid then why continue to deprive him of his rights? If he's that dangerous then why did you let him out? I don't understand the way we apply the law in this country. Some people that commit serious crimes get a slap on the wrist and other people get punished like crazy for what they "might" do. What other constitutional rights are voided forever if you commit a felony? Does he lose his First Amendment right? 5th? |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:13:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIn fact, upon conviction, you can even be deprived of your inalienable rights as named in the Declaration of Independence (while incarcerated, you do not have the right to liberty or the pursuit of happiness, and capital punishment can deprive you of life). There is nothing in the constitution that states that a suspension of rights based on an arrest has to end upon release from custody. The sex offender list is an example of this. You are released from custody, having paid a debt to society, but due to a past history of dangerous behavior, certain rights are suspended (such as your ability to live where you choose). I'm normally as conservative as it comes when it comes to gun rights, but somebody who has a history of shooting at police officers has a demonstrated history of disregard for life and the law, as well as poor impulse control. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:14:45 PM EDT
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God given rights? As in the (our) Constitution? Jesus - who knew those rights could be deprived? Having said that, at one time rather than the POPO and the courts (which do not seem to be working too well these days), the common citizens would take care of business to rid themselves of the trash. Kind of reminds me of the concept of 'free speech': that is, all speech is guaranteed except 'hate speech'. Again, who knew? Pretty slippery slope I would say ............... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rights can be deprived though due process. I tend to agree with the folks that think if a guy cant be trusted with a gun, he should never be released. It's still gun control and only as effective as any other law in that it only disarms those who are inclined to obey laws. A convicted felon intent on committing more crimes wont follow the law so it will only affect convicts who turned their life around. Having said that, at one time rather than the POPO and the courts (which do not seem to be working too well these days), the common citizens would take care of business to rid themselves of the trash. Kind of reminds me of the concept of 'free speech': that is, all speech is guaranteed except 'hate speech'. Again, who knew? Pretty slippery slope I would say ............... |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:16:59 PM EDT
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Rights CAN be infringed upon commission of a crime. Jail is a temporary suspension of your rights. Or should inmates have the right to bear arms? In fact, upon conviction, you can even be deprived of your inalienable rights as named in the Declaration of Independence (while incarcerated, you do not have the right to liberty or the pursuit of happiness, and capital punishment can deprive you of life). There is nothing in the constitution that states that a suspension of rights based on an arrest has to end upon release from custody. The sex offender list is an example of this. You are released from custody, having paid a debt to society, but due to a past history of dangerous behavior, certain rights are suspended (such as your ability to live where you choose). I'm normally as conservative as it comes when it comes to gun rights, but somebody who has a history of shooting at police officers has a demonstrated history of disregard for life and the law, as well as poor impulse control. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:18:41 PM EDT
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Rights CAN be infringed upon commission of a crime. Jail is a temporary suspension of your rights. Or should inmates have the right to bear arms? In fact, upon conviction, you can even be deprived of your inalienable rights as named in the Declaration of Independence (while incarcerated, you do not have the right to liberty or the pursuit of happiness, and capital punishment can deprive you of life). There is nothing in the constitution that states that a suspension of rights based on an arrest has to end upon release from custody. The sex offender list is an example of this. You are released from custody, having paid a debt to society, but due to a past history of dangerous behavior, certain rights are suspended (such as your ability to live where you choose). I'm normally as conservative as it comes when it comes to gun rights, but somebody who has a history of shooting at police officers has a demonstrated history of disregard for life and the law, as well as poor impulse control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Rights CAN be infringed upon commission of a crime. Jail is a temporary suspension of your rights. Or should inmates have the right to bear arms? In fact, upon conviction, you can even be deprived of your inalienable rights as named in the Declaration of Independence (while incarcerated, you do not have the right to liberty or the pursuit of happiness, and capital punishment can deprive you of life). There is nothing in the constitution that states that a suspension of rights based on an arrest has to end upon release from custody. The sex offender list is an example of this. You are released from custody, having paid a debt to society, but due to a past history of dangerous behavior, certain rights are suspended (such as your ability to live where you choose). I'm normally as conservative as it comes when it comes to gun rights, but somebody who has a history of shooting at police officers has a demonstrated history of disregard for life and the law, as well as poor impulse control. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:19:08 PM EDT
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If he is still a threat he should still be in prison. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:28:12 PM EDT
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That's infringing, bro. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:28:41 PM EDT
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Gotta be a dupe, because I already knew this, and I get all my news here.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:32:40 PM EDT
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Once a sentence is served, all rights need to be restored |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:32:49 PM EDT
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Yeah I don't have any sympathy in this case. He's a felon and knows he isn't supposed to have any firearms. If he wants his firearm rights back he can get a lawyer and try to get appeal to get his rights back. Sorry but this is just how it is, doesn't matter if you don't agree with the laws. If you break the law and get caught there will be consequences plain and simple. He knew it and chose to risk it and got caught. It's not like they arrested some law abiding citizen for no reason. If that happens then I'd be worried.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:45:13 PM EDT
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"anonymous tip" Pissed off the ex maybe? Opsec and all that.
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Posted: 4/20/2017 7:55:46 PM EDT
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Dude should have kept his mouth shut.
That said I'm also of the camp that says if your serve your time your punishment is over. The really shitty part is that some people are in jail for over 20 years for selling weed. Then someone will do something violent and be out in a few years. So many stupid laws, shitty judges, horrible perversions of the law, and other assorted BS. I'm not one to judge someone for making a mistake. |
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Posted: 4/20/2017 8:23:37 PM EDT
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Your argument is so well thought out. How could anyone disagree with that. |
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