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Posted: 4/6/2017 12:44:05 PM EDT
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The Russians are saying the Syrians hit an ammo storage facility belonging to Sunni Islamic Fundamentalists Terrorists (whatever name you want to apply or whatever name they are using today) and it was their sarin gas bombs which exploded and killed surrounding people.
This explanation seems closer to the truth to me than explanations of Syria working against itself by using chemical weapons. All chemical weapons used in this war in the past have come from the Sunni Islamic Fundamentalists Terrorists and not the Assad government. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 12:47:21 PM EDT
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The Russians are saying the Syrians hit an ammo storage facility belonging to Sunni Islamic Fundamentalists Terrorists (whatever name you want to apply or whatever name they are using today) and it was their sarin gas bombs which exploded and killed surrounding people. This explanation seems closer to the truth to me than explanations of Syria working against itself by using chemical weapons. All chemical weapons used in this war in the past have come from the Sunni Islamic Fundamentalists Terrorists and not the Assad government. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 12:57:02 PM EDT
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Impacts of the ordinance were captured on video. Those locations were able to be geolocated. Huge image doing that is here |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 12:57:15 PM EDT
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So your telling me that a organization that wants to wage a world wide jihad for the end goal of a global caliphate and is live leak famous for killing hundreds of people in James Bond villain/Loony Tunes style executions wouldn't kill a few dozen people with a chemical weapons attack to paint there main adversary Asad, as the bad guy when they have everything to gain and nothing to lose because they are losing the ground war?
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Posted: 4/6/2017 12:58:31 PM EDT
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The Russians are saying the Syrians hit an ammo storage facility belonging to Sunni Islamic Fundamentalists Terrorists (whatever name you want to apply or whatever name they are using today) and it was their sarin gas bombs which exploded and killed surrounding people. This explanation seems closer to the truth to me than explanations of Syria working against itself by using chemical weapons. All chemical weapons used in this war in the past have come from the Sunni Islamic Fundamentalists Terrorists and not the Assad government. Bellingcat reports that there was a second attack around noon local time. At that time there were already people in four hospitals being treated for chemical exposure. The attack around noon was caught on film here. Notice how it doesn't look like 6:30 am on the video. The earlier attack - the one that caused casualties consistent with chemical weapons use - was captured on video as well. Notice how the sky looks more like it's morning time at the filming location than the video in the later attack that I hyperlinked above. 
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:04:18 PM EDT
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We should not believe any fucking thing that the Russians say. They are not in the business of seeing the USA be a success. They want us to fail, and will tell us whatever that will benefit them and hurt us.
Fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:09:19 PM EDT
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So your telling me that a organization that wants to wage a world wide jihad for the end goal of a global caliphate and is live leak famous for killing hundreds of people in James Bond villain/Loony Tunes style executions wouldn't kill a few dozen people with a chemical weapons attack to paint there main adversary Asad, as the bad guy when they have everything to gain and nothing to lose because they are losing the ground war? The attack location is roughly where the white star with the arrow pointing at it on this map. It might be a little west of where I placed the white star. 
This Situational Map is from December (I added the location of the attack to the map). ISIS has lost even more ground since December. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:26:52 PM EDT
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We should not believe any fucking thing that the Russians say. They are not in the business of seeing the USA be a success. They want us to fail, and will tell us whatever that will benefit them and hurt us. Fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:27:19 PM EDT
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I think Assad is to blame for this and it's nothing new, he just got caught again.
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:28:47 PM EDT
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I would like to see the location of the ammo dump on this image, and in proximity to the missile strikes. Although the reporter in the second attack is wearing a mask, I don't believe the second attack used or hit any chemical weapons because the mask the reporter is wearing is more like a dust mask and he is interviewing a guy who is wearing no kind of mask. 
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:28:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:32:03 PM EDT
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The Russians are saying the Syrians hit an ammo storage facility belonging to Sunni Islamic Fundamentalists Terrorists (whatever name you want to apply or whatever name they are using today) and it was their sarin gas bombs which exploded and killed surrounding people. This explanation seems closer to the truth to me than explanations of Syria working against itself by using chemical weapons. All chemical weapons used in this war in the past have come from the Sunni Islamic Fundamentalists Terrorists and not the Assad government. Thank you! |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:45:30 PM EDT
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Big reddit thread.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/63sw27/pol_is_working_around_the_clock_to_determine_if/ |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:46:17 PM EDT
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I can't find it now but I saw a GIF on Twitter showing a "dead victim" open her eyes when the camera started to pan away.
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:49:11 PM EDT
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We should not believe any fucking thing that the Russians say. They are not in the business of seeing the USA be a success. They want us to fail, and will tell us whatever that will benefit them and hurt us. Fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:54:33 PM EDT
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This whole thing seems like a Gulf of Tonkin incident. I don't give a fuck, not worth American lives and treasure.
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Posted: 4/6/2017 1:57:11 PM EDT
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There are two videos that show a structure "being used for storage" damaged in the second attack (before and after videos). It looks like the second attack was on what Bellingcat calls "Hospital B" which was underground and hospital beds are visible in the footage linked in my previous sentence while the structure being used for storage was just close to Hospital B. Su-22s do have precision guided conventional munitions. I believe that damaged facility seen with the green graffiti below is what the Russians are calling the ammunition warehouse. Who knows if that is what the Russians concluded it is or if the Russians are basing that off of what regime forces are telling them that is. Although the reporter in the second attack is wearing a mask, I don't believe the second attack used or hit any chemical weapons because the mask the reporter is wearing is more like a dust mask and he is interviewing a guy who is wearing no kind of mask. https://i.snag.gy/Q6KHcd.jpg How people can be exposed to sarin
I don't believe for one second that Assad, 3 days after Trump said, "Maybe he can stay" would pull a bonehead stunt like that. AND, if he did, it wouldn't be 60 to 70 casualties. I do think it likely that the side that is losing, upon hearing the news that the POTUS is no longer demanding Assad go, might just want to "change their opinion".  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 2:03:09 PM EDT
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Big reddit thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/63sw27/pol_is_working_around_the_clock_to_determine_if/ 1. Soros connection. 2. Doctors and rescue workers not wearing protective gear yet being unharmed. 3. Reporting on attack prior to attack by local media. Photo explaining post. http://imgur.com/f9aZ2O7 |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 2:11:42 PM EDT
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Scott Adams smells a fake as well.
The reason the Assad government would bomb its own people with a nerve agent right now is obvious. Syrian President Assad – who has been fighting for his life for several years, and is only lately feeling safer – suddenly decided to commit suicide-by-Trump. Because the best way to make that happen is to commit a war crime against your own people in exactly the way that would force President Trump to respond or else suffer humiliation at the hands of the mainstream media. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 2:14:21 PM EDT
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I don't put anything past Assad, ISIS, or the Russians.
That having been said, what would be the tactical or strategic advantage to using chemicals on what seem to be non-combatants in this case? If the US believes Assad ordered the attack, he risks the US becoming much more involved -> and this would actually help ISIS. Same with Russia; I don't see any upside re: their interests (regardless of whether they had direct involvement or knowledge of the plans). ISIS seems to be the only party setup to benefit from this event. What am I missing? ETA: The only impact we would have, by taking out Assad, would be to strengthen ISIS. I cannot see why we would do anything unless we plan to deal with ISIS in the end. That won't be successful long-term, unless the locals can deal with them anyway. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 2:16:23 PM EDT
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We should not believe any fucking thing that the Russians say. They are not in the business of seeing the USA be a success. They want us to fail, and will tell us whatever that will benefit them and hurt us. Fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 2:41:08 PM EDT
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Every picture so far has shown no one wearing any PPE except a gas mask. No gloves, no suits. How people can be exposed to sarin
I don't believe for one second that Assad, 3 days after Trump said, "Maybe he can stay" would pull a bonehead stunt like that. AND, if he did, it wouldn't be 60 to 70 casualties. I do think it likely that the side that is losing, upon hearing the news that the POTUS is no longer demanding Assad go, might just want to "change their opinion". https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/445260/C8kG8EaW0AAgEuG-182015.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/445260/170404144826-05-idlib-chemical-attack-0404-exlarge-169-182016.JPG Bellingcat did not conclude Sarin was used. Bellingcat said that injuries consistent with Sarin and consistent with other chemical weapons were seen after the morning attack. That being said, here are images of Japanese medical professionals treating Sarin attack victims without wearing PPE. 
Sarin is considered a non-persistent chemical weapon so hours after it's use it would no longer be effective. 
(Cached version of .pdf file) Turkey's Justice Minister has said that autopsies show chemical agents were used in the 4/4 attack. Re: Assad doing something stupid after Trump's statement Maybe he took Trump's statement as license do do the attack. Maybe Syrian Army leadership acted independantly of Assad without his knowledge or permission. Obviously this is just me speculating but either explanation is plausible. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 2:50:03 PM EDT
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The whole thing just reeks of the Gulf of Tonkin.
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Posted: 4/6/2017 2:53:08 PM EDT
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I would like to see the location of the ammo dump on this image, and in proximity to the missile strikes. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:00:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:28:37 PM EDT
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ISIS seems to be the only party setup to benefit from this event. What am I missing? 
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:32:22 PM EDT
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I'm not buying that Asad is behind this.
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:39:54 PM EDT
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From a tactical standpoint, a chemical attack in the rear takes pressure off of the front lines near Hama where FSA rebels have been on the offensive since 3/21. Hama is just south of the line of contact on Highway M5. The town circled is where the alleged chemical attack took place. https://i.snag.gy/j3rdzb.jpg |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:42:20 PM EDT
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Thanks. Sure does seem like a big risk though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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From a tactical standpoint, a chemical attack in the rear takes pressure off of the front lines near Hama where FSA rebels have been on the offensive since 3/21. Hama is just south of the line of contact on Highway M5. The town circled is where the alleged chemical attack took place. https://i.snag.gy/j3rdzb.jpg It is very important for the regime to hold Hama because there is a large prison there that houses many rebel fighters. Those prisoners being freed would bolster the rebels in Syria's northwest. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:44:42 PM EDT
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We should not believe any fucking thing that the Russians say. They are not in the business of seeing the USA be a success. They want us to fail, and will tell us whatever that will benefit them and hurt us. Fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:45:33 PM EDT
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Big reddit thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/63sw27/pol_is_working_around_the_clock_to_determine_if/ |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:45:45 PM EDT
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Big reddit thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/63sw27/pol_is_working_around_the_clock_to_determine_if/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
Big reddit thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/63sw27/pol_is_working_around_the_clock_to_determine_if/ It is by snacks alone that /pol is set in motion. It is by the juice of Dew that thoughts acquire speed, the t-shirt acquires stains, the stains become a warning. It is by snacks alone that /pol is set in motion. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:48:19 PM EDT
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Well, I guess MSM is back to showing the sensitive viewing souls pics of dead kids.
Queue up pic of Bill Kristol saying "I'll give you a war!" |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:54:11 PM EDT
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This whole thing seems like a Gulf of Tonkin incident. I don't give a fuck, not worth American lives and treasure. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 3:59:02 PM EDT
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the vids of the deaths and decontamination from the Sarin attack are supposedly White Helmets doing the rescues/ aid
Here's a vid of White Helmets at work.  White Helmets Mannequin Challenge |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:01:30 PM EDT
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I'm not buying that Asad is behind this. If if we move beyond motivation and deal explicitly with capability, other actors seem unlikely given the information Bellingcat put forward. The question become how much do you trust Bellingcats information. An attack with a likely outcome resulting in small tactical advantage would lead one to look for explanations other than such an advantage though. Lot of missing information all around though. That's always troublesome. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:03:09 PM EDT
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the vids of the deaths and decontamination from the Sarin attack are supposedly White Helmets doing the rescues/ aid Here's a vid of White Helmets at work.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgl271A6LgQUnless the White Helmets have a time machine. 
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:03:57 PM EDT
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 Netflix and the White Helmets, hand in hand with al Qaeda |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:05:05 PM EDT
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I don't think that is from the alleged Sarin attack. Unless the White Helmets have a time machine. https://i.snag.gy/fh2FMb.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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the vids of the deaths and decontamination from the Sarin attack are supposedly White Helmets doing the rescues/ aid Here's a vid of White Helmets at work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgl271A6LgQUnless the White Helmets have a time machine. https://i.snag.gy/fh2FMb.jpg |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:07:51 PM EDT
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See next vid. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:09:04 PM EDT
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Sorry your gal didn't win. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We should not believe any fucking thing that the Russians say. They are not in the business of seeing the USA be a success. They want us to fail, and will tell us whatever that will benefit them and hurt us. Fuck Russia. No shit? |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:10:46 PM EDT
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We should not believe any fucking thing that the Russians say. They are not in the business of seeing the USA be a success. They want us to fail, and will tell us whatever that will benefit them and hurt us. Fuck Russia. Fuck Schumer, Pelosi, et al. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:11:02 PM EDT
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Since the only mention of the White Helmets in that Bellingcat post is in the comments section, what are you suggesting is the White Helmets involvement in the alleged chemical attack? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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See next vid. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:14:07 PM EDT
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OTOH, the democrats are on this bandwagon and we should not believe anything a fucking democrat says either. Democrats as well are not in the business of seeing the USA be a success. They want us to fail, and will tell us whatever that will benefit them and hurt us. Fuck Schumer, Pelosi, et al. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We should not believe any fucking thing that the Russians say. They are not in the business of seeing the USA be a success. They want us to fail, and will tell us whatever that will benefit them and hurt us. Fuck Russia. Fuck Schumer, Pelosi, et al. ...I've always known that the sky was blue and water was wet. Just as I've always know that Russia is a sneaky and untrustworthy adversary. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:14:08 PM EDT
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Because it was suggested by a news report that it was a White Helmets 'rescue'. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:21:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:22:58 PM EDT
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I'll have a coke. A Mexican coke at that.
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:24:09 PM EDT
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I don't care care if they used photon torpedoes. It's not worth us getting involved.
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:25:04 PM EDT
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Link? So are you suggesting that the White Helmets have overstated their involvement in rescue operations after the 4/4 attack or are you suggesting something else? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because it was suggested by a news report that it was a White Helmets 'rescue'. |
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Posted: 4/6/2017 4:31:20 PM EDT
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Because it was suggested by a news report that it was a White Helmets 'rescue'. Video and photos posted online by the Syrian Civil Defense, the volunteer first-responders’ organization commonly known as the White Helmets, showed young children purportedly killed in the attack on Khan Sheikhoun, which took place early Tuesday morning. A member of the White Helmets team in Idlib posted a message on Twitter saying at least 37 civilians were killed and hundreds injured in what he called a “poisonous gas attack” on the town. The images he posted showed children -- at least eight in one video -- seemingly dead but without any apparent external injuries. Are you saying the White Helmets are wrong in their videos and photos posted online after the 4/4 attack? If so, what is wrong (type of attack, location of attack, numbers of people killed/wounded, etc...)? |
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