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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:49:53 AM EDT
TulAmmo 124 gr 8M3
2,396 fps 2,448 fps 2,479 fps 2,448 fps 2,439 fps Avg: 2,442 fps The largest fragment measured 0.686" x 0.352" x 0.167" and penetrated to 14.7" The fragments seen in the photo below weighed, from left to right: 55.9gr 13.5gr 25.5gr 6.1gr 1.3gr 6.8gr 
 MSM Causes Mass Murder. Also, TulAmmo 8M3 7.62x39mm 124gr Hollow Point Gel Test https://youtu.be/0ENhmMKuaVU |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:01:58 AM EDT
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Interesting.......
One question......about how much do the gelatin blocks weigh? I'm just curious...... |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:10:20 AM EDT
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The size I use weighs 25 lbs.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:16:52 AM EDT
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Wow that's pretty good!!!
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:19:10 AM EDT
[#4]
looks like a 125 grn 300 black out copy
 
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:20:01 AM EDT
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Yes! I might need to get a 7.62x39 now
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:24:53 AM EDT
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Impresive.
Do you think that this 8M3 would perform the same with a Krink or Draco? |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:28:53 AM EDT
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8M3 is essentially Russia's answer to the Police / LEO ammo loaded with Hornady TAP bullets.
Video explains this well. The 8M3 bullet dramatically increases the lethality of 7.62x39mm. Russia can and does use this ammo on terrorists and criminals. Under international treaties and agreements, 8M3 would not be suitable for "general issue" to all Russian troops (who long ago switched to 5.45x39mm weapons, and who anyway do well with he devastating FMJ "7N6" bullet - which is suitable for general issue). |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:30:27 AM EDT
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I really hope SGAmmo makes this a regular offering.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 11:31:48 AM EDT
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Yes! I might need to get a 7.62x39 now 5.56x45 NATO 7.62x39 Russian 7.62x51 NATO Everybody should have at least one rifle in each by now. If not, chop chop. Salad days. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 12:58:23 PM EDT
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Impresive. Do you think that this 8M3 would perform the same with a Krink or Draco? Without testing, it's purely speculative, but it looks like it could shed some velocity and still fragment. A viewer commented on the watch page for the video that they got fragmentation in water from an AK pistol. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 1:31:27 PM EDT
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It's interesting. 8m3 has been hard to explain to people. The old Wolf Military Classic used it because the old WMC stuff was loaded by Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant, the joint that created 8m3. UMP, or "Uly" was imported back in the day as "Sapsan".
If you do an archive search in the AK section, there might still be some pictures I took of a 124gr JHP and a 124gr 8m3 JHP that will show the skives inside the jacket of the the 8m3 bullet. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 1:46:26 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, some of the Tula HP also had scoring on the inside of the jacket, but still performed like FMJ, so unless it is labeled 8M3, I'm skeptical.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 7:56:55 PM EDT
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Wow. I have been trying to get 8m3 for awhile now so I'm excited it is now more availible. But I'm pretty pissed and disappointed because I stocked away a bunch of ammo that may or may not have 8m3 bullets (some of the old Wolf Military Classic 124 gr HP and possibly Tula 124 gr HP, I forget). Now I feel like buying a bunch of this but SGammo doesn't ship everywhere
 . Woe is me, I'm so conflicted. 
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Posted: 1/9/2017 7:58:51 PM EDT
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I really hope SGAmmo makes this a regular offering. They specifically commissioned it so if you want it kept as a regular offering buy up 
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:12:52 PM EDT
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Bought some wolf military classic 124 gr HP back in ~07 that looked significantly different than the 123 gr HP black box wolf. Wider opening, and you can see the scoring on the inside of the jacket. 8M3?
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:17:33 PM EDT
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Looks like a good hog hunting round
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:22:05 PM EDT
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Looks like a good hog hunting round That was my thought... Much cheaper than buying brass soft point, ballistic tip, or hollow point ammo to fill a 30 round mag for feral pigs. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:33:12 PM EDT
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Wolf military classic 124 gr HP (top) and black box wolf 122 gr HP (bottom) (both from roughly 2007 IIRC)
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:35:13 PM EDT
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I really hope SGAmmo makes this a regular offering. Oh heck yeah
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Posted: 1/9/2017 8:44:15 PM EDT
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I'm going to have to get some of that. Shits still cheap, too, about 24cpr
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:09:25 PM EDT
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I'm going to have to get some of that. Shits still cheap, too, about 24cpr Yep, think I will have to get some too. Will go nicely with this.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:15:06 PM EDT
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Fine you bastards, twisting my arm.
1000 are on the way
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:16:03 PM EDT
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Wow, last time I saw legit 8M3, the year started with '19'.
I'm going to buy some. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:21:20 PM EDT
[#24]
Bluefalcon for the WIN!!!
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Posted: 1/9/2017 9:21:35 PM EDT
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Yep, think I will have to get some too. w Will go nicely with this.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/383325/image-122763.JPG Funny, I've got a Hogue grip and fore end a lot like that one for my Saiga. Never got around to putting the fore end on, though. Is a Rhineland arms one. |
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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:16:56 PM EDT
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Picked up 400 rounds for my 527, thanks! Always love your tests btw
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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:17:12 PM EDT
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That looks like a pretty damn effective round for the ol' AK47.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:19:29 PM EDT
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That is impressive. I I think I might have to pill the old WASR out of the trash can and dust it off.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:40:40 PM EDT
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As alway - TCB - thanks for posting. Any chance you can do some 16" vs say 11" SBR comparisons of this and some other popular HD loads for comparison? Keep up the good work.
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Posted: 1/9/2017 10:45:39 PM EDT
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Funny, I've got a Hogue grip and fore end a lot like that one for my Saiga. Never got around to putting the fore end on, though. Is a Rhineland arms one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep, think I will have to get some too. w Will go nicely with this.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/383325/image-122763.JPG Funny, I've got a Hogue grip and fore end a lot like that one for my Saiga. Never got around to putting the fore end on, though. Is a Rhineland arms one. The base rifle is a vepr, the fore end is the one bit of furniture I have left as is. A very nice stick of wood. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 9:34:14 AM EDT
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Wow. I have been trying to get 8m3 for awhile now so I'm excited it is now more availible. But I'm pretty pissed and disappointed because I stocked away a bunch of ammo that may or may not have 8m3 bullets (some of the old Wolf Military Classic 124 gr HP and possibly Tula 124 gr HP, I forget). Now I feel like buying a bunch of this but SGammo doesn't ship everywhere . Woe is me, I'm so conflicted. You could always shoot some of each into a row of water jugs. Water won't give you as much information as gelatin, but it will tell you whether a bullet can fragment. Assuming you can capture the bullet. If you compare to real 8M3, it should be fairly clear what you have. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 10:18:36 AM EDT
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I was looking for more info on the 8M3 a couple of days ago. Does anyone have a link to the how/why/what behind Uly developing this round?
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Posted: 1/10/2017 2:10:41 PM EDT
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Not that I've seen. I know the original stuff was labeled for hunting on the packaging.
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Posted: 1/10/2017 2:14:04 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, some of the Tula HP also had scoring on the inside of the jacket, but still performed like FMJ, so unless it is labeled 8M3, I'm skeptical. White box with blue writing. Had 10k rounds, now down to 5k. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 2:18:47 PM EDT
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Wow, last time I saw legit 8M3, the year started with '19'. I'm going to buy some. I got mine e in 2002, from my father in law who had it for years. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 3:08:04 PM EDT
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Did it look like this?
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Posted: 1/10/2017 3:10:02 PM EDT
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5.56x45 NATO 7.62x39 Russian 7.62x51 NATO Everybody should have at least one rifle in each by now. If not, chop chop. Salad days. If it was the 1980s, I might agree with you. It's the end of the 2nd decade of the 21st Century, so I don't. |
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Posted: 1/10/2017 3:18:17 PM EDT
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Fair to assume your gel block material is reusable?
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Posted: 1/10/2017 11:16:52 PM EDT
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Found some here;
http://www.sgammo.com/product/tula/1000-round-case-762x39-8m3-124-grain-hollow-point-ammo-made-ulyanovsk-cartridge-works-u |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 10:11:30 AM EDT
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Fair to assume your gel block material is reusable? If you carefully reheat it in a double boiler you can get several uses out of it. There is some debate as to the validity of measurements obtained using remelted gelatin, but I calibrate immediately before each test and it certainly has to be more accurate than clear gel at any rate. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 12:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYep. |
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Posted: 1/11/2017 2:59:19 PM EDT
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Then according to interwebz, it's legit.
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Posted: 1/11/2017 4:04:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2017 4:44:42 PM EDT
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I bought a bunch of the Wolf Military Classic 124gr JHP just before they changed. I tested a bunch with water jugs (with and without denim) and saw dramatic fragmentation and 12-16 inches of penetration with every single shot. I've kept it loaded up, and used FMJ for shooting.
It's good to know the 8M3 bullet is back! |
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