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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:37:24 AM EDT
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Interesting. All of the mock-ups I've seen always used the B1 Lancer as the missle truck.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:38:12 AM EDT
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Flight of the Old Dog, awesome.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:42:45 AM EDT
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Seems like the DOD expects the whole nature of air warfare to change with the F-35. My impression from several articles is that F-35s in a very stealthy configuration (no external stores, weapons bay stays shut) will use bleeding edge sensors and communications to scout the enemy for many other stealth aircraft (rolling heavy with external stores) lurking at medium range and non-stealthy aircraft carrying big ass missiles at long range. Probably some drones ahead of the F-35, getting even closer, prompting enemy reaction. Is that about right? Is there a good article explaining hypothetical F-35 tactics?
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:45:47 AM EDT
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Seems like the DOD expects the whole nature of air warfare to change with the F-35. My impression from several articles is that F-35s in a very stealthy configuration (no external stores, weapons bay stays shut) will use bleeding edge sensors and communications to scout the enemy for many other stealth aircraft (rolling heavy with external stores) lurking at medium range and non-stealthy aircraft carrying big ass missiles at long range. Probably some drones ahead of the F-35, getting even closer, prompting enemy reaction. Is that about right? Is there a good article explaining hypothetical F-35 tactics? NICE TRY CHINA, NOT TODAY |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:50:06 AM EDT
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NICE TRY CHINA, NOT TODAY I thought it was Russia trying to get our secret tactics? I'm so confused as to who the real enemy is. 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:53:52 AM EDT
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Interesting. All of the mock-ups I've seen always used the B1 Lancer as the missle truck. The air force will jack around through 5 or 6 iterations trying to get to a new airplane, maybe with an interim demonstrator with half the capability. A B-52 will not recover and relaunch a payload of uav's. F-35's aren't going to lead a strike, that will done with cruise missiles that clear the initial path. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:54:05 AM EDT
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And how much BVR experience do we actually have in the real world? Zero or close to it.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:55:00 AM EDT
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I thought it was Russia trying to get our secret tactics? I'm so confused as to who the real enemy is. his avatar looked like some kind of Asian guy |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:56:10 AM EDT
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Seems like the DOD expects the whole nature of air warfare to change with the F-35. My impression from several articles is that F-35s in a very stealthy configuration (no external stores, weapons bay stays shut) will use bleeding edge sensors and communications to scout the enemy for many other stealth aircraft (rolling heavy with external stores) lurking at medium range and non-stealthy aircraft carrying big ass missiles at long range. Probably some drones ahead of the F-35, getting even closer, prompting enemy reaction. Is that about right? Is there a good article explaining hypothetical F-35 tactics? From the thread I started here from my discussion with a friend on a ship the war better end in 1 day . The F-35 has less reliability than a Yugo with wings |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 9:56:41 AM EDT
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his avatar looked like some kind of Asian guy Toshiro Mifune, he's Japanese. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:00:44 AM EDT
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And how much BVR experience do we actually have in the real world? Zero or close to it. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:09:26 AM EDT
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But isn't that largely because the ROE required positive ID of the target, a problem that a networked drone or stealth scout solves? A technical solution never a stopped a bad ROE before. I just don't like spending all these tax dollars on this when we still have no actual BVR shootdowns. We are trying to run without verifying we can crawl. ETA: Remember the Phoenix and what a piece of junk that turned out to be? |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:12:41 AM EDT
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Flight of the Old Dog, awesome. Sci-Fi is loosing pace with reality. 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:12:57 AM EDT
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In before Sylvan.
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:14:10 AM EDT
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NICE TRY CHINA, NOT TODAY 
My first thought as well. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:16:10 AM EDT
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Self-escorting platforms were tried with Zeppelins, B-17s, and, IIRC B-52s.
Never seemed to work as well as the idea on paper. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:17:29 AM EDT
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A technical solution never a stopped a bad ROE before. I just don't like spending all these tax dollars on this when we still have no actual BVR shootdowns. We are trying to run without verifying we can crawl. ETA: Remember the Phoenix and what a piece of junk that turned out to be? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But isn't that largely because the ROE required positive ID of the target, a problem that a networked drone or stealth scout solves? A technical solution never a stopped a bad ROE before. I just don't like spending all these tax dollars on this when we still have no actual BVR shootdowns. We are trying to run without verifying we can crawl. ETA: Remember the Phoenix and what a piece of junk that turned out to be? There are some BVR shootdowns, but info is hard to find. There used to be a paper written by a student (Maybe ROTC) on the net that had about the best info on BVR shot history that I could find. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:25:38 AM EDT
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Self-escorting platforms were tried with Zeppelins, B-17s, and, IIRC B-52s. Never seemed to work as well as the idea on paper. Zeppelins were at the dawning of air assets. B-17s were doing that because small fighters didn't have the range to follow. As soon as they became capable, they took up escort duty. We didn't even let military transport companies convoy without gun truck escort between Kuwait and COB Adder in late 2011. We'll escort it. What's this crap about ROE effecting new tactics? ROE constantly changes, METTC. In total war between us and The Enemy (China), ROE would be so loose nothing else would dare to fly. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:28:02 AM EDT
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And how much BVR experience do we actually have in the real world? Zero or close to it. Huh? |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:28:26 AM EDT
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Zeppelins were at the dawning of air assets. B-17s were doing that because small fighters didn't have the range to follow. As soon as they became capable, they took up escort duty. We didn't even let military transport companies convoy without gun truck escort between Kuwait and COB Adder in late 2011. We'll escort it. What's this crap about ROE effecting new tactics? ROE constantly changes, METTC. In total war between us and The Enemy (China), ROE would be so loose nothing else would dare to fly. In an actual total war scenario we do not have enough air assets to have anything flying after a month. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:37:53 AM EDT
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From the thread I started here from my discussion with a friend on a ship the war better end in 1 day . The F-35 has less reliability than a Yugo with wings Per the ACC/CC a 92.3% MC rate. Very terrible indeed. http://breakingdefense.com/2016/07/air-combat-commander-bullish-on-f-35-ioc/ |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:40:51 AM EDT
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A technical solution never a stopped a bad ROE before. I just don't like spending all these tax dollars on this when we still have no actual BVR shootdowns. We are trying to run without verifying we can crawl. ETA: Remember the Phoenix and what a piece of junk that turned out to be? How many bombers that they were shot at did Phoenixs miss? |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:50:14 AM EDT
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Flight of the Old Dog, awesome. 
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Posted: 12/19/2016 10:53:13 AM EDT
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A technical solution never a stopped a bad ROE before. I just don't like spending all these tax dollars on this when we still have no actual BVR shootdowns. We are trying to run without verifying we can crawl. ETA: Remember the Phoenix and what a piece of junk that turned out to be? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But isn't that largely because the ROE required positive ID of the target, a problem that a networked drone or stealth scout solves? A technical solution never a stopped a bad ROE before. I just don't like spending all these tax dollars on this when we still have no actual BVR shootdowns. We are trying to run without verifying we can crawl. ETA: Remember the Phoenix and what a piece of junk that turned out to be? According to the CSBA Trends in Air Combat study, 16 of 33 fixed wing engagements in Desert Shield/Storm were BVR and that is before AIM-120 was fielded. Phoenix was designed to counter a specific threat, formations of high speed bombers loaded with supersonic ASCM. The Iranians employed Phoenix quite a bit during the Iran-Iraq war to good effect. |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 11:09:47 AM EDT
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"Arsenal Plane"????
Have they been listening to the dumbshits who keep reviving Arsenal Ship for the Navy every 10 years or so? |
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Posted: 12/19/2016 11:32:03 AM EDT
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In an actual total war scenario we do not have enough air assets to have anything flying after a month. Which is okay as long as the enemy runs out in 2-3 weeks. Hopefully by investing in BVR weapons we kill the enemy before he gets in striking distance and thus preserve our own forces. |
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