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Posted: 12/18/2016 12:57:32 AM EDT
I'm wondering, if the (Western) global economy really picks up again, will there ever be a profitable niche market for something like this grand bird again?
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Posted: 12/18/2016 12:59:57 AM EDT
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Yes. Simply because all technology is improving (even if the Concorde is old), it makes sense that air travel would improve as well.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:01:55 AM EDT
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I hope so
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:03:49 AM EDT
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I think Virgin is already building one. Advertised $5,000 trans Atlantic ticket price.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:04:31 AM EDT
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I doubt it.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:04:48 AM EDT
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Fuel is cheap right now and I forget who, but someone is working on reducing the effect of the sonic boom on the folks below the plane's flight path.
Then if that tech comes to fruition, you will need the govt to allow super sonic flight over the US. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:07:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:08:57 AM EDT
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Not if the FAA has anything g to say about it. And they will.
If the FAA was a thing 80 years ago we'd all be flying in 30 seat prop planes flying at 5k feet costing 3000 dollars a ticket. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:10:18 AM EDT
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I think Virgin is already building one. Advertised $5,000 trans Atlantic ticket price. That's what a typical business class ticket costs anyways. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:13:49 AM EDT
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I posted once that the day the Concord SST ceased to fly aviation took a step backwards
got beat up for that but I still think so. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:19:22 AM EDT
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Engine technology, specifically reduced fuel consumption at supersonic speed has made some real progress since that state sponsored boondoggle. It could actually be viable now.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:29:46 AM EDT
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I posted once that the day the Concord SST ceased to fly aviation took a step backwards got beat up for that but I still think so. Yep, it's like introducing the smartphone and then taking it out and going back to flip up phones 
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:44:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryFwiw- that's a scam directed by people, and for people, who know nothing about designing, building and certifying, operating flying, or maintaining, airplanes. For some reason, Denver is a Mecca for failed airplane manufacturers. I would love to be wrong....  .
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:48:16 AM EDT
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Not if the FAA has anything g to say about it. And they will. If the FAA was a thing 80 years ago we'd all be flying in 30 seat prop planes flying at 5k feet costing 3000 dollars a ticket. The FAA was a thing 90 years ago, it traces its origins to 1926. It was created at the request of the airline industry to promote commercial air travel by establishing safety standards, etc. The FAA has done an immense amount to promote commercial air travel. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:56:32 AM EDT
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will there ever be a profitable niche market for something like this grand bird again? again? was the concorde ever profitable? |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 1:56:33 AM EDT
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Lots of incredibly rich people with lots of money to spend, so maybe.
I think the common man will see more individual transport though. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:00:20 AM EDT
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Maybe the Almighty E. Musk can create an all electric supersonic plane. All joking aside, it would fantastic if the Concorde like plane would return to commercial aviation.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:02:32 AM EDT
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Doubtful. The economics won't work.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:23:36 AM EDT
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Yep, it's coming.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:28:11 AM EDT
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The FAA was a thing 90 years ago, it traces its origins to 1926. It was created at the request of the airline industry to promote commercial air travel by establishing safety standards, etc. The FAA has done an immense amount to promote commercial air travel. You crack or heroin? That is the exact opposite of what the FAA does. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:28:42 AM EDT
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"Ever" is a really long time.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:49:24 AM EDT
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In before the burning and crashing Concord.
I have asked the question. Is there or why isn't there a supersonic private jet out there? I would think someone with more money than brains would have had a company build one. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:58:33 AM EDT
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Not if the FAA has anything g to say about it. And they will. If the FAA was a thing 80 years ago we'd all be flying in 30 seat prop planes flying at 5k feet costing 3000 dollars a ticket. So Piedmont Airlines would still be around |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:00:21 AM EDT
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In before the burning and crashing Concord. I have asked the question. Is there or why isn't there a supersonic private jet out there? I would think someone with more money than brains would have had a company build one. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:01:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:05:06 AM EDT
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I have asked the question. Is there or why isn't there a supersonic private jet out there? I would think someone with more money than brains would have had a company build one. Because you couldn't fly it over the continental US (or any populated area) at least not supersonic. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:16:50 AM EDT
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Because you couldn't fly it over the continental US (or any populated area) at least not supersonic. NASA and the USAF have been working together for years on reducing the boom. We are at the point now where all that remains is convincing the FAA. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:32:29 AM EDT
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Yep, it's like introducing the smartphone and then taking it out and going back to flip up phones Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I posted once that the day the Concord SST ceased to fly aviation took a step backwards got beat up for that but I still think so. Yep, it's like introducing the smartphone and then taking it out and going back to flip up phones That would actually be an improvement to society! 
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Posted: 12/18/2016 4:32:15 AM EDT
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Yes. Simply because all technology is improving (even if the Concorde is old), it makes sense that air travel would improve as well. It isn't about technology. It's been 40 years since the Concorde was introduced, and technology, engineering, manufacturing, materials have come a LONG way since then. What it's all about is fuel costs and market share. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 5:08:07 AM EDT
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Yes, when it becomes economically feasible. The airfare on the Concorde was outrageous and operating costs were high. For many is was one of those flight of a lifetime deals.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 10:11:43 AM EDT
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Yes. Simply because all technology is improving (even if the Concorde is old), it makes sense that air travel would improve as well. No, we won't see another SST in my lifetime simply due to regulatory and budgetary constraints. Pay attention to his comments on the technology plateau.  Burt Rutan: Entrepreneurs are the future of space flight |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 12:11:10 PM EDT
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NASA and the USAF have been working together for years on reducing the boom. We are at the point now where all that remains is convincing the FAA. Good fucking luck. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 2:50:42 PM EDT
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again? was the concorde ever profitable? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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will there ever be a profitable niche market for something like this grand bird again? again? was the concorde ever profitable? No. It was a flagship that made BOAC and Air France look cutting edge. It lost money every flight. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:21:05 PM EDT
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NASA and Boeing are working on ways to minimize sonic boom at ground level.
They are making some progress, and there will definitely be a return to supersonic travel, as soon as noise levels on the ground can be reduced enough. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:30:19 PM EDT
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Boom is the latest to jump into the SST fray with this Mach 2.2 beauty:
Boom is HQ's at Centennial Airport outside Denver. Their hope is that the advances in materials, aerodynamics and engine technologies achieved since Concord was designed (Early 1960's) will permit them to keep the aircraft's per seat operating costs low enough to turn a profit. The airframe is sized to accommodate 45 to 50 seats to keep the load factor high. On key business city pairs (JFK-LHR, LAX-NRT, etc.) there's probably enough demand for a few dozen aircraft. Add a few more for corporate, private and nation/state travel and they might be able to make a go of it. As was noted several posts above, Richard Branson's Spaceship Company will be handling the construction and flight test of the XB-1, a smaller proof of concept vehicle which is expected to be fly late in 2017. More info is available at www.boomsupersonic.com |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:31:03 PM EDT
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Probably not. It has to be economically successful and the concorde never made money.
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:34:20 PM EDT
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The FAA was a thing 90 years ago, it traces its origins to 1926. It was created at the request of the airline industry to promote commercial air travel by establishing safety standards, etc. The FAA has done an immense amount to promote commercial air travel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not if the FAA has anything g to say about it. And they will. If the FAA was a thing 80 years ago we'd all be flying in 30 seat prop planes flying at 5k feet costing 3000 dollars a ticket. The FAA was a thing 90 years ago, it traces its origins to 1926. It was created at the request of the airline industry to promote commercial air travel by establishing safety standards, etc. The FAA has done an immense amount to promote commercial air travel. While simultaneously killing general aviation. |
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:38:17 PM EDT
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The only picture ever taken of #Concorde flying at Mach 2 (1,350 mph). Taken from an RAF Tornado fighter jet, which flew side-by-side with the Concorde for 4 minutes over the Irish Sea. The Tornado was rapidly running out of fuel, struggling to keep up with it
Mach 2.2 actually, at 60k feet I believe 
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Posted: 12/18/2016 3:48:12 PM EDT
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The only picture ever taken of #Concorde flying at Mach 2 (1,350 mph). Taken from an RAF Tornado fighter jet, which flew side-by-side with the Concorde for 4 minutes over the Irish Sea. The Tornado was rapidly running out of fuel, struggling to keep up with it Mach 2.2 actually, at 60k feet I believe https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1569/25088910183_cbe7d5cb91_b.jpg 
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