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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:15:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:17:14 PM EDT
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It might be impossible to get under 6.6 lbs with sling and glass in 6.5 Grendel. If it can be done, I'm sure it would cost a bunch due to having to buy expensive light-weight components.
I don't buy the supposed benefits of the forward-mounted optic. As others have said, scout rifles are a solution searching for a problem. If you want a compact, light rifle, just get a compact, light rifle. There are plenty available today without pigeon-holing yourself into Cooper's scout concept. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:19:13 PM EDT
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You can do it, but like the guy above me said you would have to buy all lightweight parts.
pencil barrel, light wight bcg, etc. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:26:37 PM EDT
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It might be impossible to get under 6.6 lbs with sling and glass in 6.5 Grendel. If it can be done, I'm sure it would cost a bunch due to having to buy expensive light-weight components. I don't buy the supposed benefits of the forward-mounted optic. As others have said, scout rifles are a solution searching for a problem. If you want a compact, light rifle, just get a compact, light rifle. There are plenty available today without pigeon-holing yourself into Cooper's scout concept. Going with one of the Second Gen DPMS upper/lowers would probably make it quite a bit easier..... |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:27:07 PM EDT
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You can do it, but like the guy above me said you would have to buy all lightweight parts. pencil barrel, light wight bcg, etc. Yea, that's what I was thinking too. I've got a 7 oz Burris 2.75x scout scope on my polymer stocked Ruger GSR. I would imagine you'd have to hit 6 lbs with the carbine itself to even get close. So a lightweight rail over 14.5" lightweight barrel? What's the lightest weight stock? Maybe I should post this in tech... A Steyr Scout costs $1400, give or take, and is considered the epitome of the concept by Cooper himself. Think it could be done for that? |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:30:04 PM EDT
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It might be impossible to get under 6.6 lbs with sling and glass in 6.5 Grendel. If it can be done, I'm sure it would cost a bunch due to having to buy expensive light-weight components. I don't buy the supposed benefits of the forward-mounted optic. As others have said, scout rifles are a solution searching for a problem. If you want a compact, light rifle, just get a compact, light rifle. There are plenty available today without pigeon-holing yourself into Cooper's scout concept. I agree, actually. I think a 16" lightweight carbine in 6.5 Grendel with a 1-4x that weighed in around 7# would be quite a little package. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:35:01 PM EDT
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ACOG might be the only way to get that weight and still have good glass.
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:41:49 PM EDT
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I agree, actually. I think a 16" lightweight carbine in 6.5 Grendel with a 1-4x that weighed in around 7# would be quite a little package. Don't get a 1-4, you'd just be making it needlessly heavy. A 2-7 would be a better choice, or maybe a fixed power scope plus a lightweight dot sight. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:43:32 PM EDT
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How bout a CWAR or mini recce in 6.5 Grendel?
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:44:00 PM EDT
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Mk12 in 6.5.
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:48:39 PM EDT
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 Attached FileWith my 2.5-10x32 optic and a loaded mag, this one is pushing 10lbs. This is with the AA 16" LW barrel. A smaller mag, different optic, maybe a different receiver set, and other LW parts would get you under 7 I think. Pretty sure my 12.5 grendel will be light when I can get a barrel. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:49:44 PM EDT
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Don't get a 1-4, you'd just be making it needlessly heavy. A 2-7 would be a better choice, or maybe a fixed power scope plus a lightweight dot sight. Are 1-4x generally heavier than 2-7x? I really like the 2.75x fixed I have now. Just not a fan of the forward mount. Seems like I'm looking through a straw with it's field of view. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:50:22 PM EDT
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I've built a pencil barreled are that was under 7 lb with a accupoint 3-9x, no reason for goofy "scout" glass.
The reason for scout/pistol optics is for top feeding with strippers, you don't top feed an AR, so that requirement is dumb. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:51:21 PM EDT
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Are 1-4x generally heavier than 2-7x? I really like the 2.75x fixed I have now. Just not a fan of the forward mount. Seems like I'm looking through a straw with it's field of view. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't get a 1-4, you'd just be making it needlessly heavy. A 2-7 would be a better choice, or maybe a fixed power scope plus a lightweight dot sight. Are 1-4x generally heavier than 2-7x? I really like the 2.75x fixed I have now. Just not a fan of the forward mount. Seems like I'm looking through a straw with it's field of view. ACOG would be the way to go |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:51:57 PM EDT
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"True scout rifles" are dumb
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:53:36 PM EDT
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You've actually nailed what my next build is. I found these 2 examples elsewhere.
This one is reported to weigh 5.6 pounds, with the user being able to get around 4 pounds if he changes the stock. Lightweight Then theres this 300 BK, although I dont know the weigh of it I suspect its going to be around the same. Click I'm really wanting to throw together a skeleton lightweight Grendel. Not sure if I'll SBR it or not, frankly thats an extra layer of headache I'm not sure I want to go through. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:55:56 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/224641/gd-105900.JPG With my 2.5-10x32 optic and a loaded mag, this one is pushing 10lbs. This is with the AA 16" LW barrel. A smaller mag, different optic, maybe a different receiver set, and other LW parts would get you under 7 I think. Pretty sure my 12.5 grendel will be light when I can get a barrel. Mag and ammo aren't generally included from what I've read, just the rifle, glass, and sling. That's a sexy beast, though. You could drop that mount for some QD rings and maybe shorten the rail a bit to drop a few oz. Same for the stock probably. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 12:59:14 PM EDT
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I've built a pencil barreled are that was under 7 lb with a accupoint 3-9x, no reason for goofy "scout" glass. The reason for scout/pistol optics is for top feeding with strippers, you don't top feed an AR, so that requirement is dumb. Damn, that's a really good, and really obvious, point I hadn't considered. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:01:29 PM EDT
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You've actually nailed what my next build is. I found these 2 examples elsewhere. This one is reported to weigh 5.6 pounds, with the user being able to get around 4 pounds if he changes the stock. Lightweight Then theres this 300 BK, although I dont know the weigh of it I suspect its going to be around the same. Click I'm really wanting to throw together a skeleton lightweight Grendel. Not sure if I'll SBR it or not, frankly thats an extra layer of headache I'm not sure I want to go through. I'd love to see a parts list for those to work up a cost. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:02:55 PM EDT
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A 12.5" with a light weight thread on can like a Harvester, and 1-4x or 1-6x would be pretty sweet.
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:08:42 PM EDT
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You've actually nailed what my next build is. I found these 2 examples elsewhere. This one is reported to weigh 5.6 pounds, with the user being able to get around 4 pounds if he changes the stock. Lightweight Then theres this 300 BK, although I dont know the weigh of it I suspect its going to be around the same. Click I'd love to see a parts list for those to work up a cost. I'm really wanting to throw together a skeleton lightweight Grendel. Not sure if I'll SBR it or not, frankly thats an extra layer of headache I'm not sure I want to go through. I think the post button ate your response..... 
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:15:40 PM EDT
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What is the purpose of the forward mounted scope?
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:23:01 PM EDT
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My Grendel is a 13.6" polygonally grooved, M4 profile barrel with a 2.5" BA comp pinned and welded. Why that barrel, you ask? Because it was free. It's got a fixed 3x Primary Arms optic. Seems pretty close to the conditions Op set. It's lightweight (could be lighter if you strip it down) and accurate and looks like this.
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:24:20 PM EDT
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I think the post button ate your response..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You've actually nailed what my next build is. I found these 2 examples elsewhere. This one is reported to weigh 5.6 pounds, with the user being able to get around 4 pounds if he changes the stock. Lightweight Then theres this 300 BK, although I dont know the weigh of it I suspect its going to be around the same. Click I'd love to see a parts list for those to work up a cost. I'm really wanting to throw together a skeleton lightweight Grendel. Not sure if I'll SBR it or not, frankly thats an extra layer of headache I'm not sure I want to go through. I think the post button ate your response..... Thanks. I fixed it. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:24:42 PM EDT
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My Grendel is a 13.6" polygonally grooved, M4 profile barrel with a 2.5" BA comp pinned and welded. Why that barrel, you ask? Because it was free. It's got a fixed 3x Primary Arms optic. Seems pretty close to the conditions Op set. It's lightweight (could be lighter if you strip it down) and accurate and looks like this. http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/Vne70/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1184_zpsno90aanz.jpg I'm sure the vertical grip, flashlight and extra rail covers all lend themselves well to being a lightweight build....... |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:25:50 PM EDT
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For those who have not read Cooper's original article:
The Scout Rifle N.B.: the rationale for the forward scope includes, but is not limited to, the ability to top off the magazine via chargers. Cooper later clarified that the optics are desirable, but NOT a mandatory requirement for a Scout Rifle. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:29:35 PM EDT
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I'd love to see a parts list for those to work up a cost. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You've actually nailed what my next build is. I found these 2 examples elsewhere. This one is reported to weigh 5.6 pounds, with the user being able to get around 4 pounds if he changes the stock. Lightweight Then theres this 300 BK, although I dont know the weigh of it I suspect its going to be around the same. Click I'm really wanting to throw together a skeleton lightweight Grendel. Not sure if I'll SBR it or not, frankly thats an extra layer of headache I'm not sure I want to go through. I'd love to see a parts list for those to work up a cost. You'll cry......I'm started sorting it, the big key piece seems to be the skeletonized upper and lower. Skeleton frame Grip Stock Lighter stock Full parts list of the 300 BO (With shitty formatting included for free) 
F1 firearms receiver set, tactical dynamics grip and LPK, SRC reliabolt and balanced BCG, MFT minimalist stock, Odinworks o2lite handguard, t-box barrel co. 12.5" barrel in 300blk, Odinworks adjustable gas block, ALG defense ACT trigger, milspec buffer tube assembly, AXTS raptor ambi charging handle,SSI cookie cutter comp,troy industries QD sling mount,aero precision 30mm scope mount & vortex strike eagle |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:33:20 PM EDT
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I'm sure the vertical grip, flashlight and extra rail covers all lend themselves well to being a lightweight build....... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My Grendel is a 13.6" polygonally grooved, M4 profile barrel with a 2.5" BA comp pinned and welded. Why that barrel, you ask? Because it was free. It's got a fixed 3x Primary Arms optic. Seems pretty close to the conditions Op set. It's lightweight (could be lighter if you strip it down) and accurate and looks like this. http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w653/Vne70/Mobile%20Uploads/IMAG1184_zpsno90aanz.jpg I'm sure the vertical grip, flashlight and extra rail covers all lend themselves well to being a lightweight build....... That miniscule weight doesn't bother me as the benefit outweighs the cost. But if you want it lighter then allow me to quote myself for the reading impaired. "could be lighter if you strip it down" |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:35:20 PM EDT
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For those who have not read Cooper's original article: The Scout Rifle N.B.: the rationale for the forward scope includes, but is not limited to, the ability to top off the magazine via chargers. Cooper later clarified that the optics are desirable, but NOT a mandatory requirement for a Scout Rifle. A retarded concept and even more retarded now. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:35:59 PM EDT
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"True scout rifles" are dumb An AR "scout rifle" even dumber ..imo... After having owned a few. BCM KMR with Ti barrel nut and Ti hardware (V7 Weapons) V7 or Ti upper and lower Ti Bolt Carrier group Light wt stock and as much Ti hardware and other parts as you can round up. Aero scope mount Leupold scope |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:36:21 PM EDT
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Then theres this 300 BK, although I dont know the weigh of it I suspect its going to be around the same. Click I'm really wanting to throw together a skeleton lightweight Grendel. Not sure if I'll SBR it or not, frankly thats an extra layer of headache I'm not sure I want to go through. >uses Swiss cheese receiver that compromises reliability to save weight >adds an 8oz muzzle device |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:38:39 PM EDT
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>uses Swiss cheese receiver that compromises reliability to save weight >adds an 8oz muzzle device Exactly. WTF is all that garbage? |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:39:37 PM EDT
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A retarded concept and even more retarded now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For those who have not read Cooper's original article: The Scout Rifle N.B.: the rationale for the forward scope includes, but is not limited to, the ability to top off the magazine via chargers. Cooper later clarified that the optics are desirable, but NOT a mandatory requirement for a Scout Rifle. A retarded concept and even more retarded now. The most retarded rifle concept? Quite possibly. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:44:10 PM EDT
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Then theres this 300 BK, although I dont know the weigh of it I suspect its going to be around the same. Click I'm really wanting to throw together a skeleton lightweight Grendel. Not sure if I'll SBR it or not, frankly thats an extra layer of headache I'm not sure I want to go through. >uses Swiss cheese receiver that compromises reliability to save weight >adds an 8oz muzzle device Its 7.7 ounces to be exact. Its certainly one area one could save a significant amount of weight. I like the look of it but probably wouldnt include it on mine, as you say it is a lot of weight. But looks fucking cool (Very Stromtrooperish). That said, the receiver should be perfectly fine. Not sure what your on about regarding the reliability. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:44:27 PM EDT
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Exactly. WTF is all that garbage? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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>uses Swiss cheese receiver that compromises reliability to save weight >adds an 8oz muzzle device Exactly. WTF is all that garbage? Retarded ass garbage These fucking $2000 builds with strike eagles kill me too. These geniuses could have a better (i.e. not made with flimsy retarded parts, weaker metals, etc) rifle like a colt, psa premium, bcm, nice homebuild, aero, etc PLUS an ACOG and a m300 scout light for the same price. But derpers gotta derp |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:45:44 PM EDT
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Its 7.7 ounces to be exact. Its certainly one area one could save a significant amount of weight. I like the look of it but probably wouldnt include it on mine, as you say it is a lot of weight. But looks fucking cool (Very Stromtrooperish). That said, the receiver should be perfectly fine. Not sure what your on about regarding the reliability. Thank you for correcting that it is only 7.7oz, not 8oz. I now retract all my previous statements. Awesome build! 
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:45:52 PM EDT
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A retarded concept and even more retarded now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For those who have not read Cooper's original article: The Scout Rifle N.B.: the rationale for the forward scope includes, but is not limited to, the ability to top off the magazine via chargers. Cooper later clarified that the optics are desirable, but NOT a mandatory requirement for a Scout Rifle. A retarded concept and even more retarded now. 
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:48:17 PM EDT
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Its 7.7 ounces to be exact. Its certainly one area one could save a significant amount of weight. I like the look of it but probably wouldnt include it on mine, as you say it is a lot of weight. But looks fucking cool (Very Stromtrooperish). That said, the receiver should be perfectly fine. Not sure what your on about regarding the reliability. You don't see how Swiss cheese receivers compromise reliability? Well, if you're only shooting indoors or from a bench then I suppose you wouldn't. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:48:24 PM EDT
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That miniscule weight doesn't bother me as the benefit outweighs the cost. But if you want it lighter then allow me to quote myself for the reading impaired. "could be lighter if you strip it down" So then you have....a bog standard AR. Standard upper, standard lower, standard BCG, standard stock. I dont see 1 part there that constitutes as a lightweight part intended for a lightweight build. Maybe I'm missing it though, what parts on that are aftermarket parts designed to support a lightweight build? I'd love to know as it could help me with my build. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:49:06 PM EDT
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The most retarded rifle concept? Quite possibly. Besides the forward mounted optic I like the concept for hunting/gp rifles. As soon as there is talk of military scouts I start daydreaming |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:49:18 PM EDT
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Thank you for correcting that it is only 7.7oz, not 8oz. I now retract all my previous statements. Awesome build! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Its 7.7 ounces to be exact. Its certainly one area one could save a significant amount of weight. I like the look of it but probably wouldnt include it on mine, as you say it is a lot of weight. But looks fucking cool (Very Stromtrooperish). That said, the receiver should be perfectly fine. Not sure what your on about regarding the reliability. Thank you for correcting that it is only 7.7oz, not 8oz. I now retract all my previous statements. Awesome build! 
Like I said, those arent my builds. I simply saved those as patterns to start with when I put mine together. 
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:54:58 PM EDT
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That doesn't look like a bolt action with a pistol scope. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 1:56:35 PM EDT
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That doesn't look like a bolt action with a pistol scope. Scout concept for modern times. Totally didn't intend for it to end up Scoutish. 
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Posted: 12/12/2016 2:00:28 PM EDT
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Scout concept for modern times. Totally didn't intend for it to end up Scoutish. The recce is what the scout meant to be. A 12-16" light barrel AR with a variable scope is a great overall rifle. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 2:03:02 PM EDT
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So then you have....a bog standard AR. Standard upper, standard lower, standard BCG, standard stock. I dont see 1 part there that constitutes as a lightweight part intended for a lightweight build. Maybe I'm missing it though, what parts on that are aftermarket parts designed to support a lightweight build? I'd love to know as it could help me with my build. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That miniscule weight doesn't bother me as the benefit outweighs the cost. But if you want it lighter then allow me to quote myself for the reading impaired. "could be lighter if you strip it down" So then you have....a bog standard AR. Standard upper, standard lower, standard BCG, standard stock. I dont see 1 part there that constitutes as a lightweight part intended for a lightweight build. Maybe I'm missing it though, what parts on that are aftermarket parts designed to support a lightweight build? I'd love to know as it could help me with my build. You might soon realize that a standard AR is pretty fucking light as it is until you start adding 15" handguards, heavy profile barrels, billet receivers, fore-grips, hand stops, magpul prs or ubr stocks, heavy scopes with one piece quick detach rings, oh and "cookie cutter comps" because they look cool like storm troopers. So long as you don't add all that shit it'll stay light and reliable. No need to mill holes in your receivers. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 2:16:41 PM EDT
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These lowers won't win any GD beauty contests but incredibly sturdy and light.
They're the only polymer lower with a track record of durability. Offer a life time warranty on the lower and choice of colors. Receiver weight (complete) is almost a full pound lighter. A1 Length Integral Stock (5/8" shorter than A2) with sling loop. 13" Length of Pull. If I was going to build a light weight 'Scout' AR15, I'd start with one of these. GWACS Armory that bought out the CavArms manufacturing process. 
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Posted: 12/12/2016 2:19:56 PM EDT
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That doesn't look like a bolt action with a pistol scope. No magazine cutoff either. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 2:20:33 PM EDT
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My BCM 14.5 ELW w/ KMR 13 weighed 5.75lbs without an optic, a B5 stock, BCM BCG and large latch CH. Add a TA33 ACOG in an SLR mount for 10 oz and a sling and you are right about there. I would use a lightweight BCG, ditch the flash hider and add a thread on 13 oz silencerco omega and call it perfect.
This would be my ideal 6.5 Grendel and one I hope to build soon. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 2:20:41 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/224641/gd-105900.JPG With my 2.5-10x32 optic and a loaded mag, this one is pushing 10lbs. This is with the AA 16" LW barrel. A smaller mag, different optic, maybe a different receiver set, and other LW parts would get you under 7 I think. Pretty sure my 12.5 grendel will be light when I can get a barrel. That's pretty hefty, my 18" Grendel with a 4-16x scope weighs 7.5lbs with an intentionally heavy stock to help balance when the suppressor is on. I have an enhanced sopmod stock which weighs 12oz, I could get the whole rifle to 7 if I wanted. And it has a 15" rail. So shorten it to 13", put a lighter stock on it, 16" barrel, lighter optic, and I bet you're at 6.5lbs. |
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Posted: 12/12/2016 2:25:17 PM EDT
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My BCM 14.5 ELW w/ KMR 13 weighed 5.75lbs without an optic, a B5 stock, BCM BCG and large latch CH. Add a TA33 ACOG in an SLR mount for 10 oz and a sling and you are right about there. I would use a lightweight BCG, ditch the flash hider and add a thread on 13 oz silencerco omega and call it perfect. This would be my ideal 6.5 Grendel and one I hope to build soon. So the upper alone weighs that much without the BCG or CH? I was thinking something very similar to this for my build. I wonder what such a build with a titanium or other lightweight BCG on one of the GWACS lowers would end up weighing? |
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