[url=http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=420607]Era of 'unborn mother' looms as scientists use aborted foetuses to grow human eggs[/url]
Scientists announced yesterday that [red]they have been able to remove immature ovaries from four-month-old foetuses.[/red] The theory is that they can then be stimulated in the test tube to go through the later stages of development before the creation of fully mature eggs.

But such a scenario raises grave ethical questions about the possibility of creating children whose biological mothers were never born.

However, it is clear that [red]the increase in demand for a supply of healthy human eggs[/red] - which are not easy to "harvest" from even the most fertile women - is causing several groups of scientists around the world to explore the possibility of using aborted foetuses.


Dr Biron-Shental said that the researchers obtained ovarian tissue from seven aborted foetuses aged between 22 and 33 weeks and managed to keep slices of the ovaries [red]alive[/red] for four weeks, long enough for the follicles to develop to the stage when they began to produce the female hormone oestradiol.

"The local ethical committee of our medical centre approved the study and informed consent was obtained from the mothers," Dr Biron-Shental said. "We had different kinds of aborted foetuses with all kinds of malformations. Of course we could not use normal foetuses for such experiments because it is controversial enough," she explained.

Anti-abortion groups were quick to denounce the research yesterday. Nuala Scarisbrick of the organisation Life said the study was morally repugnant.

"[red]Who would want to know that their mother was an aborted baby?[/red]" she said.

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uumm.. OK. Theyll use monkeys, or goats. Happy?
IMO, it's bad to actually try and raise embryos this way, But it would be a great way to farm stem cells.
I'm sure you won't be denouncing this research when you desperatly need a new, replacement organ to live, and there are none available for transplant.

Sorry, But I simply must play the devils advocate here.

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Meanwhile there are thousands of great children sitting in foster homes or worse, wishing for nothing but a family and a real home.


Twisted.

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I'm sure you won't be denouncing this research when you desperatly need a new, replacement organ to live, and there are none available for transplant.

Sorry, But I simply must play the devils advocate here.

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NO SHIT!

I know I disagree with a bunch of you guys on abortion, but I see NO reason WHATSOEVER for there to be such a thing as a fertility clinic. Not to mention growing babies. WHY?

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Meanwhile there are thousands of great children sitting in foster homes or worse, wishing for nothing but a family and a real home.


Twisted.

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So is this admission that what's in the womb is a human life?
I'd like to see them wriggle out of this one...

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Good attempt at wriggling [BD]

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You didn't mention who your god was?

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No.  My religious beliefs are uncertain.

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I may be generally pro-choice, but that is some fucked up shit.

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'Convenience' is the 'god' of most abortionists!

On [u]both[/u] sides of the scapel!

[b]'To say that a child must die in order for you to live the life you wish, is poverty of the soul.'[/b] - Mother Theresa

Eric The(Amen!)Hun[>]:)]

Nearly 400,000 human embryos frozen in clinics
Most intended for pregnancy tries; 11,000 could be donated for research
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
[email protected]
Last Updated: May 7, 2003
About 400,000 human embryos are in frozen storage at infertility clinics around the United States - far more than previously believed, the first inventory ever taken of them has found.

Frozen Embryos


Graphic/Journal Sentinel
Frozen embryos



Experts said the landmark study could shape debate over public policy on stem cell research and the field of reproductive medicine, which is largely self-regulated.

The vast majority of stored embryos are intended for future pregnancy attempts by the couples who made them, but some are mired in indecision and disputes between partners.

About 9,000 were potentially available to other couples wanting children, and another 9,000 were destined to be destroyed, the study found. Only 11,000 might be donated to research. Intentions for about 14,000 others couldn't be determined, sometimes because patients died, were getting divorced, or moved and had abandoned the embryos.

One example of the quandary surrounding some embryos is a batch frozen in 1993 for a Milwaukee-area couple who had two children from successful infertility treatment and now can't agree on whether to use the leftovers to have more.

"I'm encouraging them to make a decision on what to do," said their doctor, Grace Janik. "We try to have people move things along and use them so we don't have this stockpile problem."

The study was based on a survey done by the Society for Assisted Reproductive Technology, whose members include 90% of the nation's infertility specialists, and RAND, a health research group. Results were published in the May issue of the journal Fertility and Sterility and released today.

"We are pleased to be able to bring some real data to bear on this topic. Too often, policy discussions about reproductive medicine seem to be driven by emotion rather than fact," said David Hoffman, a Florida infertility doctor who led the study.

Researchers and observers were stunned to learn there were nearly 400,000 frozen embryos as of April 11, 2002, when the survey was conducted.

"That's much higher than anybody was guessing," said David Stevens, a doctor who heads the 17,000-member Christian Medical Association.

In vitro fertilization, in which eggs and sperm are mixed in a lab dish, typically yields 10 to 20 embryos. Usually, the healthiest-looking two to six embryos, depending on the woman's age, are chosen for the first pregnancy attempt and the rest are frozen for future tries.

The new survey covered the 430 U.S. clinics that belong to the reproductive society and do IVF procedures. The 340 clinics that responded said they had 391,661 embryos. Facilities that store embryos for clinics reported another 4,865, making the total 396,526.

Researchers studied patients' intentions for freezing their embryos and found that 88% want to use them to try to have children at a later date.

Less than 3%, or 9,225 embryos, were available for donation to other couples.

"It's not common. There are many, many more patients who want embryos than there are embryos for donation," said Gloria Halverson, an infertility specialist with the Medical College of Wisconsin IVF program at Froedtert Memorial Lutheran Hospital.

But one of her patients who had triplets donated her several remaining frozen embryos to another local couple trying to have a family, Halverson said.

The number of embryos available for research was a key point in the debate over embryonic stem cells, primitive cells that scientists want to use to treat and study diseases. Donated embryos were used to create the nine stem cell lines available today for federally funded studies, but scientists say that's far too few for meaningful research.

Still, using the most conservative estimates of yield, those could produce as many as 275 new embryonic stem cell lines, the study concluded.

R. Alta Charo, a University of Wisconsin-Madison bioethicist, said the study shows that embryos are being created because infertile people want to have children.

"These clinics are not out there producing embryos to seed the research sector. I think the whole concern about embryo farming has now been proven to be misplaced," she said.

For a copy of the American Infertility Association's patient guide on freezing embryos, visit www.americaninfertility.org.

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You know there are lots of sick and twisted fucks out there, unfortunately we have some here too.

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Slightly off topic, but stem cells can be taken from umbilical cords, correct?  

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Blind faith .

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I absolutely love the fact that China is having such problems with parents killing their female children, I love the fact that N. Koreans are eating their children.

Or shoudl we accept the fact that there may be more than one path?

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Post from hielo -

[u]If[/u] that were true, then my God is a Liar, and that is [u]utterly[/u] impossible!

No one comes to the Father, but through His Son.

I know that it confounds human reason and intellect that there is only ONE WAY, but that is what we believe.

And the Man (if it be lawful to call such, a man) who said it, led such a beautiful and astonishing life here on earth, that it would be the height of folly to think that He was trying to mislead us, confuse us, or bamboozle us by lying about Who He was, and is, and will always be!

I can only hope to be where Mother Theresa is at the present!

Thank you for you and your family's prayers during these times of my misfortune!

Eric The(Prodigal)Hun[>]:)]

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Stupidity.

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I always strive to base my beliefs on logic.  There are literally millions of way to support and rebut any position, but it comes down to this: If you don't value human life, what do you value?

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[red]I stick with my original postulate of a fetus becomes a baby at birth.[/red] My god agrees with it, so that is good enough for me .

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I value all human life equally.

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You didn't mention who your god was?

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More pointless semantics. Stick to moneychanging pal 'cause you and your 'god' don't know SHIT about human biology. [whacko]

[i]"There is nothing so stupid as an educated man, if you get off the thing that he was educated in." [/i]
~ Will Rogers.

You prove that maxim every time you open your piehole [b]heilo[/b] [rolleyes]

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[b]hielo's[/b] "god" is five justices on the Supreme Court.

[b][i][red]"There is no higher authority than the U.S. Supreme Court"[/red][/i]
~ heilo [/b]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=193377&page=4

[LOLabove]


[b]heilo[/b] worships the god named "Ginsberg-Stevens-Breyer-Kennedy-Souter" [puke]

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Please, then educate me,