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ibtl on this one too

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Well, here's one for you...
[blue][size=5]United Honky College Fund[/blue][size=1]
Whatcha think?

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Who here would choose to be black then?  

It's so great for them, right?

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why is that so wronge, whats fair is fair , correct. it is more discrimination against white ppl.

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You know what really bothers me?

Why can black folks have a magazine called Black Tail but there is no White Tail?

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Who here would choose to be black then?  

It's so great for them, right?

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If YOU were black, and had to choose between living in ANY black nation in Africa, or living in the US, which would it be???  [;D]

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Whats wrong with being black DSCott??

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There's nothing "wrong" with being black, it's just not very advantageous to your health or success, as compared to being white.  Despite all the supposed "advantages" everyone always complains about, my question remains:  would you choose to be anything other than a white male in this country?

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There's nothing "wrong" with being black, it's just not very advantageous to your health or success, as compared to being white.  Despite all the supposed "advantages" everyone always complains about, my question remains:  would you choose to be anything other than a white male in this country?

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why is that so wronge, whats fair is fair , correct. it is more discrimination against white ppl.

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Who here would choose to be black then?  

It's so great for them, right?

Officer suspended; lying cited
CARY ASPINWALL World Staff Writer
05/24/2003
Tulsa World (Final Home Edition), Page A19 of News



He is accused of falsifying a report about providing backup for another officer.
A black police officer who is actively involved in the recently settled racial discrimination law suit against the city has been suspended for allegedly lying to his supervisors and creating a false incident report.
Officer Marvin Blades Sr., a 25-year veteran of the Tulsa Police Department, received a six-day suspension without pay as punishment for allegedly lying and creating a false report during a recent investigation by the department's Internal Affairs Division, records show.

The investigation was launched after Internal Affairs received an anonymous complaint that on Feb. 14, 2002, Blades and six other black officers never responded to a request for backup made by a white female officer in their area, police officials said.

Blades and the other officers reportedly were at the Tastee Freez at 212 E. 46th St. North, close to where the officer who requested backup was, but none of them went to provide backup, Sgt. Wayne Allen said.

Among the plaintiffs' allegations in the black officers' lawsuit against the city is that white officers frequently do not provide backup to them.

The punishment for officers' not providing backup is "very minor," Allen said.

In the February case, none of the officers was suspended for failure to respond. However, during the investigation of the complaint, Blades told Internal Affairs that he did not provide backup because he was working on a TRACIS report for a domestic violence call he had responded to that day, Allen said.

TRACIS is the computerized system the department uses to file and track reports from crimes and complaints made by the public.

Internal Affairs officials originally could not find a copy of the report, so they questioned Blades further.

He then provided them with a copy of the report, allegedly from the Feb. 14, 2002, incident, but a computer search of records determined that the number assigned to the report was fraudulent, Allen said.

Computer records showed that Blades had created the report on Jan. 9, 2003 -- after the Internal Affairs investigation began, Allen said.

Chief Dave Been signed off on Blades' suspension May 13.

Blades' suspension will begin May 29. He did not return phone calls Friday.

On Wednesday, the Fraternal Order of Police filed an appeal on behalf of Blades, alleging that the reasons for his suspension do not meet the standards required by the FOP's collective bargaining agreement with the city, President Bob Jackson said.

The suspension will be reviewed by the city's Human Resources Department, and if it is found to be in accordance with department procedures, it will then be reviewed at a hearing by the Civil Service Commission, Jackson said.

Jackson said the hearing would likely take place this summer.

Although Blades is not a member of the FOP, he is a member of the collective bargaining unit and is therefore provided legal services through the organization, Jackson said.

The FOP has long clashed with the Black Officers Coalition, of which Blades is an active member, over the racial discrimination lawsuit, filed in 1994, and various settlement proposals.

Over the FOP's objections, U.S. District Judge Sven Erik Holmes approved a settlement of the 9-year-old class-action suit on May 12.

The FOP urged a federal judge on Thursday to put off implementing the conditions of the settlement between the city and the plaintiffs in the discrimination suit.

This is the fourth time Blades has been suspended from the Police Department for alleged misconduct, records show.

In 1995, he was suspended for two days without pay and transferred to patrol duty for improperly giving information on gang activity to state Sen. Maxine Horner and state Rep. Don Ross, reports show.

The Civil Service Commission, over objections from the city, reinstated Blades to the department's Organized Gangs Unit, and overturned his suspension.

Also in 1995, the Civil Service Commission upheld then-Chief Ron Palmer's 12-day suspension of Blades, unanimously siding with departmental investigators who accused Blades of lying.

Palmer suspended Blades on June 2 for allegedly showing a tape of the funeral of Christopher John Cox at community presentations on gangs, misidentifying Cox as a gang member and then lying to the slain man's family and the Police Department's internal investigators. Cox was shot to death in 1994.

Although the commissioners overturned two parts of Palmer's four-part disciplinary action against Blades, they upheld the chief's contentions that Blades did not perform his public duties and that he was untruthful.

In 1993, Palmer suspended Blades for two days after Blades shot at fleeing car thieves, allegedly violating department policy. The Civil Service Commission later overturned the suspension.

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black people [b]DO NOT WANT TO BE EQUAL[/b], they are no longer special if they are equal. They are afraid to be exposed for what MOST of them REALLY ARE.

"NAACP - The Klan With The Tan"

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If you have power (or it's equivalents), you can live anywhere comfortably, no matter who you are.  [red]That's the point[/red], isn't it, access to power?

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Nice try..... NO cigar!!!

1) Colin Powell
2) Clarence Thomas
3) Condi Rice
4) Ward Connerly
5) Armstrong Williams

Didja say something about "access to power"? [rolleyes]

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Yes, they have power, and they live comfortably.  What's not to understand?  

Color doesn't matter when you have power.  You make my point.

[red]But my theory is that it *does matter* if you're not in a position of power, and are trying to achieve some[/red].  These affirmative action programs are a problem because they just offer a slight advantage to minorities, but do nothing to change the fundamental power difference in peoples and groups.

What I object to are blanket statements that "blacks are...", or "whites are...", or "gays are..." that just reflect bigoted generalizations, rather than a more complex understanding of the differences in class, power and such.  

Whatever! [:D]

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I don't know of any disadvantages of being black.  

I suppose my choice would only be based on what color my family was.  Wouldn't want to stand out at get to gethers you know.

Please enlighten me with the hardships a black man in 2003 faces.  It looks like I am ignorant to much plight.

racial and ethnic minorities collectively experience a greater disability burden from mental illness than do whites. This higher level of burden stems from minorities receiving less care and poorer quality of care, rather than from their illnesses being inherently more severe or prevalent in the community.

In 1997, black infant mortality was 2 ½ times higher than white (14.2 per 1,000 black infants born versus 6.0 per 1,000 white infants born), and blacks in 1996, on average, lived 6.6 years less than whites.

Heart disease mortality rates for adults 25-64 are almost twice as high among African-Americans as among whites.  

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Just how do you think they got there? By not trying?

Also, it`s PERFECTLY reasonable to make generalizations when a HUGE percentage of a population/race/religion/ETC... act in a certain way. I am QUITE SURE you can think of a few and for the most part they are true.

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black people [b]DO NOT WANT TO BE EQUAL[/b], they are no longer special if they are equal. They are afraid to be exposed for what MOST of them REALLY ARE.

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In 1997, black infant mortality was 2 ½ times higher than white (14.2 per 1,000 black infants born versus 6.0 per 1,000 white infants born), and blacks in 1996, on average, lived 6.6 years less than whites

Heart disease mortality rates for adults 25-64 are almost twice as high among African-Americans as among whites.

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What I object to are blanket statements that "blacks are...", or "whites are...", or "gays are..." that just reflect bigoted generalizations, rather than a more complex understanding of the differences in class, power and such.  

Whatever! [:D]

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Then here's a couple of "blanket statements" yer REALLY gonna hate.

1) Blacks have proven they are unable to compete, with whites, because they insist on racial set aside programs, in order to "help" them attend school.

2) Blacks have proven they are incapable of self governance, by the fact, there is NO stable black country on the planet...

[:D]

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Kinda sounds like a genetic problem. Are you suggesting that the white man is responsible or poisons black people?

Life is not fair and you cant try to make it fair. Some people die before others. Some people CHOOSE to educate themselves and their children, others do not. Some people CHOOSE to work, others do not. You find these people in ALL walks of life. But in some you find a disproportionate number and thats when a generalization can be made backed up by facts.
You have a skewed view if you think people in power sit around all day trying to figure out ways to keep the black man down. Black people have EVERY opportunity and MORE. So why are they NOT at the top of the moral and social ladder? Why is 10% of the population occupying 90% of the prison space?  EXPLAIN PLEASE!! And don't give me the white man crap.

America has done more than its fair share to improve the life's of the so called "disadvantaged". Its now up to them to make something of it. There should be no more hand outs or special treatment. DO SOMETHING!

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In 1997, black infant mortality was 2 ½ times higher than white (14.2 per 1,000 black infants born versus 6.0 per 1,000 white infants born), and blacks in 1996, on average, lived 6.6 years less than whites

Heart disease mortality rates for adults 25-64 are almost twice as high among African-Americans as among whites.

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Kinda sounds like a genetic problem. Are you suggesting that the white man is responsible or poisons black people?

Life is not fair and you cant try to make it fair. Some people die before others. Some people CHOOSE to educate themselves and their children, others do not. Some people CHOOSE to work, others do not. You find these people in ALL walks of life. But in some you find a disproportionate number and thats when a generalization can be made backed up by facts.
You have a skewed view if you think people in power sit around all day trying to figure out ways to keep the black man down. Black people have EVERY opportunity and MORE. So why are they NOT at the top of the moral and social ladder? Why is 10% of the population occupying 90% of the prison space? EXPLAIN PLEASE!! And don't give me the white man crap.

America has done more than its fair share to improve the life's of the so called "disadvantaged". Its now up to them to make something of it. There should be no more hand outs or special treatment. DO SOMETHING!