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Posted: 6/25/2003 6:27:46 PM EDT
I think thats how you spell it. anyhow i took it and my recruiter was saying I did good I got a 80 but what does that mean?
what jobs am I entitled to? he is pushing for armor, probably needs to fill that position. and whats the average score for this test |
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Look for something you want to do, not what he recommends, he is pushing to fill billets. On the old test 80 was very good and you could get a decent job. Shorter schools and lower scores mean you get to work with stupider people.
Think about what you want to do, not what the recruiter wants to sell you. Armor did have a good time in Iraq. |
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Like lonegunman said, if a recruiter is pushing you toward something, that means he is having trouble filling it. What do [b]you[/b] want to do?
You got an 80, and that's good. Did you use one of the test preparation books that are available for the ASVAB? I did, and my score went up quite a bit. If you're interested in a job that your recruiter tells you your score is too low for, tell him you want to take the test again....after you get and use one of those test prep books. They're like the ones that Barron's sells for the SAT and ACT. |
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no I just showed up and then about 10minutes later i was taking the test.
didn't even know what it was. |
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as already mentioned.. and the best advice...
DO WHAT [b]YOU[/b] WANT TO DO!!!!!!!!! you are the one who has to do the time. |
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Quoted: no I just showed up and then about 10minutes later i was taking the test. didn't even know what it was. View Quote Sounds like a set-up to me. Do you know what MOS you want? Does anything in particular interest you? If the 80 you got --a very respectable score, BTW-- is good enough for what you want to do, good on ya. If not, tell your recruiter that you want to take it again, after you get a chance to bone up. The thing is, you never know what kind of interesting schools will come up while you're in, and some of them might require a certain GT score or something. You wouldn't want to screw yourself out of an opportunity just because your recruiter shoved you through the test before you were 100% ready. |
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Quoted: what can I do in the army or marines with that score? View Quote Your recruiter will be able to give the current guidelines --I enlisted a while back-- but you really ought to be asking yourself what you want to do, then making sure your score is high enough to get it. You're probably good for 85-90% of the jobs though. |
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Well in my experience with the ASVAB.....
I got a 99!!!! [:P] Sorry I'm just so proud of that [:)] The only reward I got? A handshake from a flyboy [;)] I've talked to a recruiter and he said with a score like that I'm guaranteed a spot in Airborne School and I can pick my first duty station. With a score like yours you will probably get similar advantages. Good luck |
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Be sure to ask the recruiter about bonuses that are tagged to different jobs. Some of the bonuses are rather large...
My suggesstion would be aviation. Where else do you get paid to fly around and blow shit up? Ask about being a crewchief if you want a kickass job with skills that can be used in civilian aviation as well... If you get the bug for flying and decide you want to be a pilot, you can always become a Warrant Officer, or go after a commission. Just figure out what you want to do and go with it... |
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OK,
Don't confuse your GT with your ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Apptitude Battery). 60 is minimum for both to get in, while GT is pretty much an IQ test. 100 is average, below 90 and you have issues. 110 will get you pretty much whatever you want. Highest I have seen is a 139 and lowest was in the 60s. No matter what, you get the MOS YOU want, not the freakin recruiter. Your best bet is to go to the recruiter with a former military guy. This guy should stick with you until your contract is completed AND your orders are cut at the MEP (Military Entrance Processing) station. NOTHING the recruiter promises you (except length of service and bonus in the written contract) is valid. ONLY the orders from the MEPS is real. At MEP you get your MOS (Military Occupation Skill). Armor is 19K, cav scout is 19D (not bad MOSs, btw) Until you report to Basic, you can walk away scott free. They will threaten you and curse you, but if you don't get orders for the specific MOS you want, WALK!!! |
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Basically if you graduated from high school you can show up without warning and slam dunk this test.
See Elads score. Remember a LOT of people cant pass this tests. use that to your advantage. Find out what your options are and YOU decide. Get it in writing. Your recruiter will never pick something you want. |
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Quoted: Basically if you graduated from high school you can show up without warning and slam dunk this test. See Elads score. Remember a LOT of people cant pass this tests. use that to your advantage. Find out what your options are and YOU decide. Get it in writing. Your recruiter will never pick something you want. View Quote People fail the ASVAB? thats pretty pathetic |
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Quoted: Quoted: Basically if you graduated from high school you can show up without warning and slam dunk this test. See Elads score. Remember a LOT of people cant pass this tests. use that to your advantage. Find out what your options are and YOU decide. Get it in writing. Your recruiter will never pick something you want. View Quote People fail the ASVAB? thats pretty pathetic View Quote I agree if you fail that you should be wearing a helmet! |
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Sorry to steal the limelight, but im joining up too and had a couple questions. First off, I made a 93 on the ASVAB and I want to join the Navy. To be more precise I want to get the SEAL Challenge thing because I want nothing more than to be a SEAL. I have heard from a couple sources though that you can get into the SEALs through the MARINES though. Is this true? If it is I really wanna do that because MARINE boot is way tougher than NAVY boot im sure. But if not thats fine, I'm just curious if I do go NAVY what MOS should I pick? For SEALs you have to have one of only a certain few but I want something cool to fall back on if a don't make the SEALs. Not sure what the abbreviations stand for but here goes:AB, AO, AW, BM, EM, EN, GM, HM, HT, IC, MM, MR, OS, PH, PN, PR, QM, RM, SK, SM, STG, TM, AIRMAN, FIREMAN, SEAMEN. Im interested in Gunners Mate. Is this one of the lesser (intelligence wise) MOS's and will I handle alot of small arms? My recruiter said I would be the guy taking care of the armory onboard the ships. Is that true? Any input would be greatly appreciated because so far my recruiter hasn't been all that helpful. I think its because I have a metal plate in my wrist and I already have to get some sort of waiver, I think its called a BEUMED waiver. Also will having this waiver hurt my chances of getting into the SEALs even if I do well on the SEAL PST? Once again thanks for the input and sorry for chiming in but I need the help.
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[I]I was a detailed Army Recruiter around ten years ago.[/I]
ASVAB is the test itself. The AFQT score is from 1-99, and is used to determine the mental category that you’re in. We were looking for 50 and above, or “3A”. [b]The AFQT is used to determine your initial eligibility, and nothing more.[/b] Also, it didn't matter to us what AFQT score you had, as long as it was 50 or above. It's your line scores that matter, once you've qualified to enlist. [I]The lowest AFQT score I’ve ever seen on the ASVAB was a 4, and that was a High School graduate (California). I could give my two year old a crayon and the test, and she could score higher than a 4.[/i] Once it’s determined by your AFQT that you’re qualified to enlist, your individual line scores (SC, CO, EL, MM, etc.) are used to figure out what particular job is for you. After you’ve enlisted, it’s your GT score that follows you. The AFQT is long gone. Recruiters don't get commissions, they primarily get "points" toward uniform badges. The MOS that they mention probably get them additional points if they get someone to enlist in that field. If you're not particular about what job you do (and many guys aren't), then there's a good reason why he might be mentioning it. There’s tons more details which I’m sure will be noted in subsequent replies. What I’ve posted should give you a rough idea of what’s going on. Chris |
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Quoted: Quoted: Basically if you graduated from high school you can show up without warning and slam dunk this test. See Elads score. Remember a LOT of people cant pass this tests. use that to your advantage. Find out what your options are and YOU decide. Get it in writing. Your recruiter will never pick something you want. View Quote People fail the ASVAB? thats pretty pathetic View Quote Dude I knew this kid so fucking stupid he couldn't score high enough to get into marine corps infantry. Now that is sad. Product of the california public school system. |
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Gogi,
Not sure about Marines becoming Seals but the rating designations are easily found on a google search. AO is me, Aviation Ordnanceman, we load and unload, arm, and service bombs, missles, torpedoes, mines, pyrotecnics, aircraft guns and maintain aircraft weapon delivery systems. Do not join as an undesignated Striker. That is Navy slang for do whatever they need you to do at that time Sailor. They will sell it to you as "A great way to find out what it is you are suited for while earning a great pay and traveling the world". Interpret it as I'm fucked! I'm no recruiter and no expert in the various jobs in the Navy but a few that I have known. Gunnersmate isn't bad from the ones I've known. HT(Hull Technitian) is belovedly called "Turd Chaser" in the Navy don't know much about it but doesn't sound like much more than a glorified plumber or pipe fitter. Just understand almost every thing in the Navy has some derogatory nickname so don't read into them that much. AB is Aviation Boatswainsmate. There are several subcategories to this such as ABF ie. Aviation Boatswainsmate Fuels. AW(Aviation Warefare Operator) is a very cool billet. You will become an Aircrewman and will operate airborn anti-submarine and surface systems. You could fly on a P-3, S-3 various helos, serve as a SAR(search and rescue) person, it is a cool gig. It used to be called Anti-Submarine Warfare Operator but the Navy has condensed a lot of ratings. The recruiter should be able to provide you with a booklet that explains all the different jobs the Navy has to offer. Not much but hope it helps. |
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Quoted: Sorry to steal the limelight, but im joining up too and had a couple questions. First off, I made a 93 on the ASVAB and I want to join the Navy. To be more precise I want to get the SEAL Challenge thing because I want nothing more than to be a SEAL. I have heard from a couple sources though that you can get into the SEALs through the MARINES though. Is this true? If it is I really wanna do that because MARINE boot is way tougher than NAVY boot im sure. But if not thats fine, I'm just curious if I do go NAVY what MOS should I pick? For SEALs you have to have one of only a certain few but I want something cool to fall back on if a don't make the SEALs. Not sure what the abbreviations stand for but here goes:AB, AO, AW, BM, EM, EN, GM, HM, HT, IC, MM, MR, OS, PH, PN, PR, QM, RM, SK, SM, STG, TM, AIRMAN, FIREMAN, SEAMEN. Im interested in Gunners Mate. Is this one of the lesser (intelligence wise) MOS's and will I handle alot of small arms? My recruiter said I would be the guy taking care of the armory onboard the ships. Is that true? Any input would be greatly appreciated because so far my recruiter hasn't been all that helpful. I think its because I have a metal plate in my wrist and I already have to get some sort of waiver, I think its called a BEUMED waiver. Also will having this waiver hurt my chances of getting into the SEALs even if I do well on the SEAL PST? Once again thanks for the input and sorry for chiming in but I need the help. View Quote Make sure you can do the SEAL PFT with flawless form before you go to recruit training. If you want the most options if becoming a SEAL doesn't work out...than I reccomend selecting HM (Hospital Corpsman) as a rating. This will allow you to work in EVERY aspect of the Navy. Diving, Rescue Swimmer, SEALs, Fleet Marine Force Corpsman. Furthermore...as you get older and the body gets tired... if you decide to make it a career...the HM field can let you track into some fairly rigorous academic schools. I started out as a Hospital Corpsman and by using the educational opportunities in the fleet I got an education, commission and presently get to fly jets of aircraft carriers. Do as much research as you can and feel free to ask me any questions. Travis Edited to add: The plate in your wrist will require the BUMED (bureau of medicine) waiver for your enlistment to guarantee that it will not affect your normal duties. To get into SEALs you have to pass a much more rigid Dive Physical...I'm not sure what they can or cannot waive for diving. Make sure this question is answered before signing anything... |
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Quoted: [I]The lowest AFQT score I’ve ever seen on the ASVAB was a 4, and that was a High School graduate (California). I could give my two year old a crayon and the test, and she could score higher than a 4.[/i] View Quote My mistake. I meant legitimately graduated from High School, not just showing up to have one given out to you in Kali where we are all, thankfully equal, regardless of actual merits.[;)] |
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The last hard figure I saw showed High School grads having a failure rate on the ASVAB of about 40%. This is regarding failure as an AFQT below 31.
A substantial portion of college students and college grads that begin to apply for officer commissioning programs cannot make even a minimum enlisted qualifying score on the AFQT. The test may seem easy to many, it did to me too, but it is actually a fairly sophisticated diagnostic tool. The last few years the diagnosis it's been turning up is that Americans are dumber than shit. |
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Quoted: If you want the most options if becoming a SEAL doesn't work out...than I reccomend selecting HM (Hospital Corpsman) as a rating. This will allow you to work in EVERY aspect of the Navy. Diving, Rescue Swimmer, SEALs, Fleet Marine Force Corpsman. Furthermore...as you get older and the body gets tired... if you decide to make it a career...the HM field can let you track into some fairly rigorous academic schools. View Quote From the little I know, I'd have to agree. There was a guy who, until recently, worked for my company. He joined the Navy as an HC, became a SEAL, spent 8-9 years in the teams, went to school on the Navy's dime, studied encryption and cellular communications, and ended up at NSA. He left there and more or less designed the entire telecom infrastructure at my company (a large credit-card company). He was laid off recently due to his far-over-normal salary, and was given a 40% raise the next day to work for Nokia. He also recently got his Doctorate by developing technology for Linux Beowulf clusters. People tell me I'm a pretty smart guy, but this dude was a freaking GENIUS with a capital G, and was an all-around great guy. He said his family considered him "dumb-old-dad", since his wife and both daughters had had their doctorates for several years before he had time to get his... [:)] -Troy |
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Navy Ratings (Rates)= job classifications, Ranks is pay grade.
On the whole Rates beginning with A are Aviation, C Seabees, S supply rates, etc. There have been a lot of changes lately. go for the rate you want even if you have to delay. As noted your recruiter gets attaboys for filling undermanned rates. It's extremely unlikely a Marine can become a Seal. That said it might be possible in certain circumstances for a Marine to go to BUDS School (Basic Underwater Demoliton/Seal) first step for SEAL, UDT and a few others. But he'll go back to the Marines. SEAL is not a Rate You are an HM (Hospitalman) ET (Electronics Technician) assigned to the SEALS. GM - Gunners Mates Used to be GM GMG GMM Gunners Mates, Gunners Mate Guns, Gunners Mate Missiles. Depending on the ship a GMM might not ever touch a firearm except as a sentry. GM or GMG got a lot of gun time. In the Aviation Community AO's Aviation Ordnancemen used to be the Gun guys. IF IT ISN'T WRITTEN ON THE CONTRACT YOU AREN'T GUARANTEED. NO VERBAL PROMISES. Non-designated Strikers get the crummy jobs. You are non-desgnated coming out of Boot Camp if you didn't get a guaraanteed rate, flunked Tech School, medicaled out of school. That said being a Seaman in a Deck Division can be fun. Real sailorman hairy chested stuff. You run the small craft, underway replenishment rigs, anchor and mooring details. Stand bridge watches as Helm (steerer) Lee Helm (work the engine order telegraph - boring on long trips) lookouts, etc. Paint, scrape paint, chip paint, repaint. Realistically, if you have metal in your wrist I doubt you will get a BuMED waiver for SEAL training. Don't join in expectation of getting a waiver. I got to Long Beach, San Diego, Seattle, San Francisco, Pearl Harbor, Papeete, Rarotonga, Christchurch, Wellington, Sydney, Cairns, Port Moresby, Guadalcanal, Nauru, Suva Fiji, Apia Western Samoa, Guam, Philippines, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Bangkok, etc. Then there are guys that never get out of the states. |
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Well I took the test the beginning of my Junior year. In my opinion any high school graduate [b]should[/b] "slam dunk" the test.
The truth is in our society today many people don't. I know the national average for Juniors taking the ASVAB was in the 30-40 range. Pretty crazy when you think about it. |
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The funny thing about the ASVAB which most people don't realize is that its not an intelligence exam...its a measure of a persons potential to do a certain type of job well.
People that spent time in school doing vocational skills like, metal shop etc will have a better Mechanical Score based on their experience. However the same person might not be very good at organizing a chart of numbers and get a very low Clerical score. I did well on the test originally and the Navy was drooling to try and get me to become a HT (Hull Technician...aka WELDER) with a guaranteed C school (so I could weld on nuke ships). Anyway...at the time I was already working as a welder and wanted to try something new. I enlisted as an HM with intentions of becoming a SEAL. 1/4 of my HM classmates were destined for BUDs and they were all in much better shape than myself...and I didn't particularly like any of these guys so I pursued a different track. Last I heard only 1 made it of the 12 guys that were in my class. One of the guys that dropped went over to become a Dive Med Tech and the others probably went with the Marines as a FMF field corpsman. (Most people don't know the Marines don't have their own medical personnel...) |
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The only part of the ASVAB I got lower than 90 on was the mechanical ability. Our Nat'l Guard teacher gave us extra credit for taking it. Some bastards got under 50 total average. Not smart enough for infantry. One of them was a white guy who seemed perfectly normal and average to me. It blew my mind. He plays in a rock band now.
I heard that you're tested against those you take the test with. So get tested in the recruiting center nearest to the ghetto. |
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Quoted: The only part of the ASVAB I got lower than 90 on was the mechanical ability. Our Nat'l Guard teacher gave us extra credit for taking it. Some bastards got under 50 total average. Not smart enough for infantry. One of them was a white guy who seemed perfectly normal and average to me. It blew my mind. He plays in a rock band now. I heard that you're tested against those you take the test with. So get tested in the recruiting center nearest to the ghetto. View Quote 50 for infantry? i thought it was like 33 or so to get it and was open to anyone who passed the test. The AFQT only has one score listed on my sheet so maybe you are thinking of the GT,GM,EL,CL eetc. scores |
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Quoted: Sorry to steal the limelight, but im joining up too and had a couple questions. First off, I made a 93 on the ASVAB and I want to join the Navy. To be more precise I want to get the SEAL Challenge thing because I want nothing more than to be a SEAL. I have heard from a couple sources though that you can get into the SEALs through the MARINES though. Is this true? If it is I really wanna do that because MARINE boot is way tougher than NAVY boot im sure. But if not thats fine, I'm just curious if I do go NAVY what MOS should I pick? For SEALs you have to have one of only a certain few but I want something cool to fall back on if a don't make the SEALs. Not sure what the abbreviations stand for but here goes:AB, AO, AW, BM, EM, EN, GM, HM, HT, IC, MM, MR, OS, PH, PN, PR, QM, RM, SK, SM, STG, TM, AIRMAN, FIREMAN, SEAMEN. Im interested in Gunners Mate. Is this one of the lesser (intelligence wise) MOS's and will I handle alot of small arms? My recruiter said I would be the guy taking care of the armory onboard the ships. Is that true? Any input would be greatly appreciated because so far my recruiter hasn't been all that helpful. I think its because I have a metal plate in my wrist and I already have to get some sort of waiver, I think its called a BEUMED waiver. Also will having this waiver hurt my chances of getting into the SEALs even if I do well on the SEAL PST? Once again thanks for the input and sorry for chiming in but I need the help. View Quote Yes, there are a lot of moron Gunner's Mates. If you go GM, and if they are offering C schools when you are picking orders in A school, say yes. I didn't when I went through A school, I was so sick of the command environment(training command), that I couldn't stand another 3-4 months of the shit. If you don't make it through BUDS, and go to a ship(DDG,CG,FFG) without an NEC, you'll work in the armory and with the 5"(76mm on an FFG) gun guys. You might get lucky and get sent to the VLS work center. If they give you the choice, take it. You'll have no problem with GM "A" or any of the "C" schools after that with a 93 on your ASVAB. If you can handle being treated like dog shit for a year or 2, then join as a Seaman, and take the test for BM when you're eligible. It's been said before, and is the most important thing-Get it in writing! Any other questions feel free to e-mail or IM me. |
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The ASVAB measures your aptitude in four areas:
Administrative Electronic General Mechanical The Air Force uses your scores to determine your eligiblity for jobs. The higher your score in a particular area, the better your chances of qualifying for a decent job. There is no single digit score awarded overall for the ASVAB. The scores are listed as: A-98, E-98, G-99, M-96 (for example). The score you were quoted by your recuiter is probably your Armed Forces Classification Test (AFCT) score. |
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Quoted: The ASVAB measures your aptitude in four areas: Administrative Electronic General Mechanical The Air Force uses your scores to determine your eligiblity for jobs. The higher your score in a particular area, the better your chances of qualifying for a decent job. There is no single digit score awarded overall for the ASVAB. The scores are listed as: A-98, E-98, G-99, M-96 (for example). The score you were quoted by your recuiter is probably your Armed Forces Classification Test (AFCT) score. View Quote [img]http://www.tombrodowski.com/scores.jpg[/img] |
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