Is this just nuts or what[?]

http://thomas.loc.gov/

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It is worst than what we have now.[:(!]

Look at the Title of this thing AWB Law Enforcement Protection Act 2003 [nuts]

What is with these Reps!

[soapbox]

what chance does it have of passing?

really, i want to know.

I don't know but with 20% of the House of Representative for this bill it is really not a good thing this early on.[:\]

If you read it, just about every semi automatic pistol will be banned.  Since the slide assembly on semi's covers the barrel (excl the beretta, Luger and P38 and a very few others) such as in the 1911, the Glock, the ruger, the springfield XD etc... they can be considered a barrel shroud.  Combining a detachable magazine and barrel shroud would make them illegal.  This won't work...

agreed, must watch closely!!

it'll never make it to vote

(36) BARREL SHROUD- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel, but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel.

This doesn't actually look much worse then what we have now, not that I'm defending it. That's probably why it has relatively strong support in a climate in which even most Democrats think gun control is a losing issue. With the strong pro-gun committee chairs, I doubt it will ever leave the committee.

Troublesome aspects appear to include:

`(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was manufactured on or before September 13, 1994, to fail to certify to the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney General, that the device was manufactured on or before September 13, 1994.'.

Sounds like an attempt to start registering pre-ban mags. And:


`(5) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault weapon to which paragraph (1) does not apply, except through--

`(A) a licensed dealer, and for purposes of subsection (t) in the case of such a transfer, the weapon shall be considered to be transferred from the business inventory of the licensed dealer and the dealer shall be considered to be the transferor; or

`(B) a State or local law enforcement agency if the transfer is made in accordance with the procedures provided for in subsection (t) of this section and section 923(g).

`(6) The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, in a timely manner, a record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any semiautomatic assault weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime under Federal or State law, and the nature and circumstances of the crime involved, including the outcome of relevant criminal investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall annually submit the record to the Congress and make the record available to the general public.'.

Eh, fuck 'em.

My initial reaction is that this bill is DOA.

[b]HOWEVER[/b]...

Given the recent political history of our friends at the NRA, one might be inclined to predict that by the appropriate time, some of the shit you see in this new bill will become reality.

Think about it. It's the way the NRA works. They (the antis) dream up shit Hitler and Stalin would rejoice over, and the NRA meets them halfway.

Things better be different this time around or my support for the NRA and the Republicans is fucking history.

If this bill passes, I will have nothing more to say. Even if small, there will be problems.

Romeo Echo Victor Oscar Lima Uniform Tango India Oscar November

I'm hoping for a complete and all encompasing gun ban. Let's get this shit over with while I can still make a difference.

I agree.
Heck, I'm only 17, and I feel that this shit should be done NOW. I'll be happy to help in any non suicidal (IE: human bomb) way that I can.

Guys, we've been down this path at least three times in the last two weeks!  I met with my congresswoman a month ago at the VFW.  The first topic was the AWB and why I think it should sunset and any new attempt to renew it by the liberals NEVER make it to the President's desk.  She ASSURED me that it was DOA and that the Republican leadership has assured the rank and file in the House and Senate that they need not even BOTHER to bring any of these up.  Trust the Dems to try anyway...just to embarrass the President.  They damn well know its a done deal...but they are searching for anything that might stick to Dubya.

Regardless of the political manueverings and shady dealings, all of the attempts to revive the AWB in this pre-election year are futile and doomed to failure.

Fret not...this sucker is going to sunset and NOTHING else is going to make it out of committee...NOTHING.

(From a die-hard political junkie and gun-toting Conservative.)

LWilde, it's nice to hear a calm, reasoned voice on this subject. Thank you.

I don't trust Jack or Shit on this one, though. We've been burned too many times to play along with this crowd and not be looking for a sucker punch. It always comes.

Hopefully, things will be different this time.

Here is what bothers me--

Everytime we set back and see all of a sudden it comes out of committee and wham up for vote.  NRA throws some half hearted attempt and we eat another Sh*t Sandwich.[puke]

It's not as bad as it looks. Of the 84 cosponsors, 51 of them are from the predictable
liberal, anti-gun hotbeds (CA-19, MA-8, NY-11, NJ-6, IL-7). Even if they get 51 more, it's still very unlikely it will get out of committee hearings.

Compare it to the Senate version; S. 1043. that only has 8 cosponsers and 5 of them are either from CA, MA, NY and NJ. And that's for the bill that has a better chance of reaching the floor for a vote. And assuming it did make it out of committee, and was passed, it would still have to be voted on and approved by the House.

In contrast, S. 659 (The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act), now has 53 cosponsers.
It only needs 6 more votes to block Schumer and Lautenburgs threat of a fillibuster. [:)]

[/quote]In contrast, S. 659 (The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act), now has 53 cosponsers.
It only needs 6 more votes to block Schumer and Lautenburgs threat of a fillibuster. [:)][/quote]

Any chance you know how to get an amendment attached to it so we can have full autos at a reasonble price --MG ban(5/19/1986) "a day that will live in infamomy"

Deep-six '86!

[Rant mode]

It should have never gotten 84 cosponsors!

It should have never even been written!

The politicians who support shit like this should have been tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail for pissing on the Bill Of Rights like this. [;D]

This bill is SO unconstitutional - it's equivalent to banning books that teach lethal self-defense, churches that preach the right-to-life or private gatherings of four or more men. It is UTTERLY an abomination to the Constitution and I am just getting so fucking SICK of these bills that have absolutely NO constitutional basis, principle or footing to be written on!!! [pissed]

And so like [size=3][red][b]HELL[/b][/red][/size=3] am I gonna get lackadaisical and over-confident that crap like this bill will die by itself in committee.

I wanna KILL this fucking bill myself with a fucking stake through the heart so it NEVER rises again!!!

I want this bill killed so bad, so publically and so thoroughly that these fucktard politicians will never even THINK about trying to bring this up again for the next 50 years!!!

I want this bill to be so utterly and soundly defeated that it'd make Mondale's loss in '84 look like a squeaker!!!

I want it so thoroughly snuffed, stuffed and stomped on that if ANY freedom-fearing, Constitution-shredding, gun-grabbing, book-burning Nazi/Commie ASSHOLE [b]EVER[/b] brings another bill like it up again - all the other like-minded Nazi/Commie assholes will remind him of how badly they were bitch-slapped the last time such a blatantly unconstitutional gun-banning bill was proposed. [stick]


[/Rant mode]
[i]{deep breath}[/i]



But I know what Congress looks like right now and I know what this nation looks like right now.

So we WILL have to kill this in Committee.



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[b][blue]* * * I hope you guys don't mind if I keep reposting this every time this topic comes up * * * [/blue][/b]


Our goal should be to kill these bills before they ever see the light of a CNN camera. We have to make sure that anti-RKBA bills get buried in committee - and stay buried.

Towards that end, we need to SUPPORT and ENCOURAGE these particular House members because they have these and all other anti-RKBA bills in THEIR hands [b]right NOW[/b].

Right now we have strength in the House and THAT'S where we need to focus our efforts - and our emails, letters and phone calls.


[b]108th US Congress - [/b]

[b]HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE - [/b]
[i](this is where all gun-control bills are introduced in the House)[/i]
[B]Chairman - [url=http://www.house.gov/sensenbrenner/contact.htm]Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., R-WI:[/url] GOA rating: A[/b]

[b]HOUSE JUDICIARY SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME, TERRORISM, AND HOMELAND SECURITY - [/b]
[i](this is the judiciary subcommittee that is the first to vote on (or bury) all gun-control bills)[/i]
[b]Chairman - [url=http://www.house.gov/coble/]Rep. Howard Coble, R-NC:[/url] GOA rating: A
Subcommittee Members -
* [url=http://www.tomfeeney.com/cf/prs_47.cfm]Rep. Tom Feeney, R-FL:[/url] GOA rating: A
* [url=http://www.house.gov/keller/Frset.htm]Rep. Rick Keller, R-FL:[/url] GOA rating: A
* [url=http://mikepence.house.gov/]Rep. Mike Pence, R-IN:[/url] GOA rating: A
* [url=http://www.house.gov/goodlatte/]Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-VA:[/url] GOA rating: A-
* [url=http://www.house.gov/forbes/]Rep. Randy Forbes, R-VA:[/url] GOA rating: A-
* [url=http://www.house.gov/chabot/]Rep. Steve Chabot, R-OH:[/url] GOA rating: A-
* [url=http://www.house.gov/markgreen/]Rep. Mark Green, R-WI:[/url] GOA rating: B-[/b]
* Rep. Robert Scott, D-VA: GOA rating: F-
* Rep. Adam Schiff, D-CA: GOA rating: F-
* Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, D-TX: GOA rating: F-
* Rep. Maxine Waters, D-CA: GOA rating: F-
* Rep. Martin Meehan, D-MA: GOA rating: F-

[b]HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER -[/b]
[i](this is who is most responsible for "moving" bills or "sidetracking" bills in the House)[/i]
[b]* [url=http://tomdelay.house.gov/contact.htm]Rep. Tom DeLay, R-TX:[/url] GOA rating: A[/b]

[size=3][blue][b]Just look at that straight-A line-up! [bounce][/b][/blue][/size=3]

[b][size=3]THIS[/size=3][/b] is what a Republican-majority can do - but the battle's just beginning now!

This is our [b]BEST[/b] chance to kill these kinds of bills.

Right now we got a
[b]GOA-[red]A[/red]-rated[/b] Committee Chairman,  
[b]GOA-[red]A[/red]-rated[/b] Subcommittee Chairman,
[b][u]MAJORITY[/u] of GOA-[red]A[/red]-rated[/b] Subcommittee members, and a
[b]GOA-[red]A[/red]-rated[/b] House Majority Whip.  

Now we can piss and moan all we want to about what bills are introduced and who introduced them - but [b]THESE PEOPLE[/b] are the ones who can keep or kill them.

Contact them and let them know that these anti-gun bills are blatant violations of the 2nd Amendment and "remind" them that the 'gun-control' issue was a MAJOR factor in the success of conservative Republicans in both the 2000 and 2002 elections and will continue to be so in the future.

And if you live in any of these Rep's States (or better yet their districts) [b][size=3]you MUST[/size=3][/b] contact them [b]OFTEN[/b] and let them hear from the people who will be voting in their next election.

Just think...
...it only takes EIGHT people in this one subcommittee to bury these bills - [b]DEAD[/b].

If we can't kill shitbills like this with a House line-up like that - it's over.

[B]We [size=3]MUST[/size=3]keep the pressure on these guys - ESPECIALLY the newer House members!![/b]

[b]US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES:[/b]
[B]* [url=http://www.house.gov/writerep/]Locate And Contact Your Representative HERE.[/url][/b]

[size=3][b]Write LETTERS, make PHONE CALLS and send emails! Then do it again!!!

This one is OURS - to win or lose!!!

Let'em hear from you!!![/b][/size=3] [soapbox]

Roger THAT

Is it "time to shoot the bastards" yet?  

Have any of you guys who are just sitting back and waiting to see what the NRA and your Republican leaders do actually written to your Local NRA or Congressional reps to let them know how you feel?

I just emailed my congessmen how I feel about it.
[soapbox]

Have YOU?!

no?

[red][b]WELL IT'S TIME TO DROP THE DOUGHNUT AND START TYPING MAGGOT!!![/b][/red]

Law enforcement with the might of the United States Military, you domestic terrorists, as defined under the American Patriot Act, and your little rebellion will be Charlie Romeo Uniform Sierra Hotel Echo Delta.

YES!

Email is probably spam to them. But send it anyway.

And snailmail is almost worse than that! But send it anyway.

Check out this warning on Orrin Hatch's website:

Send letters and emails but MAKE PHONE CALLS ESPECIALLY!!

Every month - or every week even!

[b]And when you call your particular representative, ask for a written response specific to your concern, i.e. "assault weapon and high-cap magazine ban".[/b] (they probably won't give written responses to nonconstituents but it doesn't hurt to ask)


[b]PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:[/b]
[b]* [url=http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/]George W. Bush[/url][/b]
DC (202)456-1111


[b]US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES:[/b]
[B]* [url=http://www.house.gov/writerep/]Locate And Contact YOUR Representative HERE.[/url][/b]

[b][u]SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE[/u]:
* [url=http://www.house.gov/hastert/]Rep. Dennis Hastert, R-IL[/url][/b]
DC (202)225-2976
IL (630)406-1114
Office of Rep. Dennis Hastert
235 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515

[b][u]HOUSE MAJORITY LEADER[/u]:
* [url=http://tomdelay.house.gov/contactme.htm]Rep. Tom DeLay, R-TX[/url][/b]
DC (202)225-5951
TX (281)240-3700
Office of Rep. Tom DeLay
242 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515

[b][u]HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN[/u]:
* [url=http://www.house.gov/sensenbrenner/contact.htm]Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., R-WI[/url][/b]
DC (202)225-5101
WI (262)784-1111
Office of Rep. James Sensenbrenner
2449 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-4905

[b][u]HOUSE SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME TERRORISM AND HOMELAND SECURITY CHAIRMAN[/u]:
* [url=http://www.house.gov/coble/]Rep. Howard Coble, R-NC[/url][/b]  
DC (202)225-3065
SC (336)333-5005
Office of Rep. Howard Coble
2468 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515-3306




And here's the Senate information too:

[b]US SENATE:[/b]
[b]* [url=http://www.senate.gov/]Locate And Contact YOUR Senators HERE.[/url][/b]

[b][u]SENATE MAJORITY LEADER[/u]:
* [url=http://www.senate.gov/~frist/]Sen. Bill Frist, R-TN[/url][/b]
DC  (202)224-3344
TN  (615)352-9411
Office of Senator Bill Frist
461 Dirksen Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

[b][u]SENATE MAJORITY WHIP[/u]:
* [url=http://mcconnell.senate.gov/]Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-KY[/url][/b]
DC (202)224-2541
KY (859)224-8286
Office of Senator Mitch McConnell
361-A Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

[b][u]SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN[/u]:
* [url=http://www.senate.gov/~hatch/]Sen. Orrin G. Hatch, R-UT[/url][/b]
DC (202)224-5251
UT (801)524-4380
Office of Senator Orrin Hatch
104 Hart Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

[b][u]SENATE SUBCOMITTEE ON CRIME, CORRECTIONS AND VICTIMS' RIGHTS CHAIRMAN[/u]:
* [url=http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/senators/one_item_and_teasers/graham.htm]Sen. Lindsey O. Graham, R-SC[/url][/b]
DC (202)224-5972
SC (864)250-1417
Office of Senator Lindsey Graham
United States Senate
Washington DC 20510

"It should have never gotten 84 cosponsors!  
It should have never even been written!"

The Democrats don't expect this one to pass.  They want to use this as something to hammer the Republicans in their ads.  "Dangerous assault weapons are back on the streets.  Our children have to go to school dodging bullets sprayed from AK47's and Uzi's.  We MUST have reasonable gun controls, but the Republicans have blocked us at every attempt."

So, later they will comeback with a watered down version that is still as bad, or worse, than the AWB we have now, and say that they are compromising, not hurting hunters and sportsmen.

Don't you just want to wring some people's necks? Damn, those liberals piss me off. Perhaps I can talk about it later.

Dont send letters.
Send postcards with an American flag on the front. Prolly get there quicker as it can be checked for bio-cooties easier.
Just a thought.
Ive e-mailed my guys and sent letters on so many issues I cant keep it all straight. I sent all those May 5th letters and I send all the postcards I get from NRA, GOA, SAF.
The only replies back I ever get are from the President and Ginnie Brown, my congress woman.

I emailed the Congressmen and the Judiciary Committee and the Majority Leader etc. etc.

Start Now or this crap won't stop.

All Anti-Gun Legislation should be...[pyro]

marking to find it tomorrow...

Thanks for the heads up - I'll get on the phone tomorrow.

(1) It shall be unlawful for any politician to legislate, debate, vote, or perform any other duty of his or her office unless said politician wears an air tight head shroud for a period of not less than 30 minutes prior to any official activity. [rolleyes]

the nuttier it's written, the less chance it has of passing

I take personal issue with tagging LEO onto a BS bill.  They are trying to justify a serious infringement by saying "Its to make the job safer for LEO's...you want that don't you?"  Here's the thing.  I'm a police officer, the ranking officer in my small town, and I've never been asked about my opinion on control issues.  Two reasons...1) they don't care, the facts just get in the way of their agenda, 2) The don't want to know, the facts just get in the way of their agenda.

Both your post and your sig line are excellent.

Second!

well everyone knew this would happen!!what kills me is that most anti gun congress people are Jews....Feinstein,Schumer,Lautenenberg , Corzine to name a few.WTF are they thinking? Guess history is not a popular subject.Cattle Cars??Gas??
 My fellow country men this ban WILL be extended.Cause people are stupid.BTW cn non jews join the JPOF??

Remember. Revolutionary movement have numbers, and the guerilla advantage. Also, once their supply lines are cut, their Humvees, Abrams tanks, Apaches, and F16s become worthless scrap metal. Then the armories are overrun and the revolutionaries are well equipped. Then it will be a one way trip on the seasaw.
Fuck knows what happens afterwards.
Remember what happened with Lenin? Nice military, sure.. But a hell of alot more 'nobodies'. Then its a nice little quest of who the hell is going to lead this damn thing. Probably just restructure the current goverment to make it more asshole proof.

sobekra70 hate to rain on you parade but Corzine is a Christian.

We still have to send e-mail, postcards or letters, and a phone call doesn't hurt either...
[8D]

If the woosies [>Q]can write and call our elected official then REAL MEN LIKE US SHOULD BE ABLE TO DOUBLE THE EFFORT [marines]

Although you don't get 1 for 1 response it does weigh in on the ballot.  Keep up the good work!
[:D]

Yeah, we have to write the letters so they can ignore them.

So it comes to the floor.........

So it gets a vote......

So it passes...........

WE STILL HAVE THE DAMN GUNS!!!

Come and take them.....I dare you!

Guess that'll separate the "Good Cops" from the "Gestapo" won't it?

You want to kill this bill fast? Easy.

Just have it amended to remove ALL law enforcement exemptions. - AS required for equil protection under the law.

Getting it properly amended would be the hard part.

Read the army field manual on guerrilla warfare. They know what has to happen to make a revolution work, and they know what has to be prevented to keep one from happening. That's why they only infringe a few rights at a time. This is no different.

Hi sobekra70:

JPFO Membership is Open to all *Law abiding citizens!

(*If you obey the Bill of Rights, you are Law Abiding in JPFO's view)

(To answer a question we get frequently: You do NOT have to be Jewish to join!)

Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Inc.
P.O. Box 270143
Hartford, WI 53027
Phone (262) 673-9745
Fax (262) 673-9746
http://www.jpfo.org/

I still send letters to the local office of my Congressman Doc Hastings and to the reginal office in Spokane for Senator Cantwell.

These are answer prompty. Also I haven't given a thought towards anthrax screening.

I also email and phone their offices. I have had one sit down with the Congressman this year so far.

ED

My congressman is Robert Simmons (R) CT. He defeated that SOB Sam Gejdensen in 2000.

He knows me already so contacting him won't be a problem.

If Democrats want to have any believability in these "reasonable' gun restrictions they should first have the good sense to acknowledge the 2nd Amendment, then make their "reasoned" claim.  The strategy of denial and damnation of firearms has not proven to be a winner but it doesn't seem to discourage these unimaginative politicians.

Emails sent, snail-mail rolling off the printer now, phone calls and trip to the post office tomorrow AM!

THIS SH!T HAS GOT TO STOP!

Also going to look into meeting with my rep the next time she's in her office (fortunetly just down the street from campus)

-FOTBR

That bill has no chance of surviving.  Won't ever get to a floor vote at all.

The 84 sponsors of it are the radical democrats in the House.  A definite minority.

It goes nowhere but to the shitcan.  (Tabled, they call it.)

CJ